Can a taxi company be 'green'?

July 20, 2010  |  Length: 00:02:05

SF Green Cab's GM Athan Rebelos says, "When I heard that Green Cab was getting Priuses, I literally chuckled, that will never work." But he admits he was totally wrong. Rebelos talks to SmartPlanet about how the company's all hybrid fleet has helped the company reduce costs and do less harm to environment all at the same time. He also discusses their carbon offset project and how they're incentivizing cabbies to ride their bikes to work.

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RE: Can a taxi company be 'green'?
Great job & Terrific Idea of putting the EV and green solution to work. I hope it catches on worldwide.
Posted by shawnpaulboike
20th Jul 2010
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Smart planet - dumb blog...
the discussion is unreadable; how am I supposed to read the discussion in IE 8?
Posted by JCitizen
20th Jul 2010
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Hybrids make total sense as taxi cabs
Taxis spend a disproportionate amount of their time used in either
stop-and-go traffic or idling; scenarios where hybrids are clearly
superior.

What will be interesting is to see how they hold up mechanically over
the long term. After police cars, being used as a taxi is probably the
most abusive use for an automobile.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
21st Jul 2010
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RE: Can a taxi company be 'green'?
Great idea, should be obvious.

All start/stop and waiting for pick-up! Let's hope more people see that such great examples make sense.

Really impressive that they offset remaining usage too!

They can probably charge higher fares too and still get business from the more 'aware' public; environmentally focussed businesses; and those looking for a more novel drive.
Posted by kroyle@...
21st Jul 2010
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I'm not sure they can charge higher fares...
...since cab rates are usually locally regulated, and in most
scenarios, customers are not free to choose one cab over another.
So this only works if they are honestly more efficient than their
traditional competitors.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
21st Jul 2010
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First Prius cab
@John McGrew: Ask Andrew Grant, who was one of the first to put a Prius on as a taxi and the first to put 500,000 km (~300,000 miles) on one for Yellow Cabs in Vancouver, B.C. As well as lower fuel costs, his maintenance costs are significantly lower. Toyota exchanged his first Prius for a brand new one after 200,000 miles so they could study it, and he has yet to replace a battery pack.

Both Yellow and Black Top Cabs have a significant portion of their fleets as Priuses. Probably the only reason more of their fleets aren't Priuses (over 400 cars between the two) is the new car cost - I suspect it's hard to find a used Prius and Corollas are about half the price.
Posted by Marc Erickson
26th Jul 2010
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Stop-and-go
A friend of mine works in hybrid development at a major corporation. They have identified that the largest potential savings with hybrid technology are for stop-and-go applications.

Taxi cabs, Transit buses, and Garbage trucks are three major applications with the potential for huge savings by using hybrid technology. Fuel consumption can be reduced by nearly half. With soaring fuel costs, it's amazing to see how short the break-even point is.

Long-haul travel applications save a little with hybrid, but usually not very much, and usually not enough to justify the additional cost of the vehicle. Frequently the break-even point is longer than the life of the vehicle.
Posted by oldbaritone
9th Aug 2010
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RE: Can a taxi company be 'green'?
As Marc said earlier, nearly every cab around these parts are Priuses. I live in Victoria, and you'd be hard-pressed to find a cab that isn't a hybrid...even the ones that aren't a Prius are generally a Camry hybrid. From what I understand, they are very reliable and I'm sure they save massive amounts of money for the company. They're the perfect platform for a cab, especially since a Prius is a relatively large car. Also, they started using Priuses years ago...they've pretty much been using them since they came out, and really started using them after they first redesigned them to look more like they do today.
Posted by wcecsharp@...
10th Aug 2010
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RE: Can a taxi company be 'green'?
Here in Victoria BC most if not all of our taxis are Prius. I suppose you could call our companies green companies. I get really tired of the use of the word green. Let it be sufficient to say that the drivers are saving money while producing less carbon. It's so funny to hear companies in the US is suddenly claiming to be so-called Green when we here in Victoria have been doing that for some time. As usual United States is lagging behind in so many areas.
Posted by Millinneumman
23rd Sep 2010
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Finally fixed the discussion! Yeah!
With material handling equipment putting out a 45 to 55% ROI using methanol fuel cells; I imaging that would pay for itself even faster that full electric cars. This depending on how much electric generation costs in the community. Solar recharging stations are becoming available with on-board storage, that will solve this very nicely. This would make such things VERY possible!

I believe a Google search for solar trees will introduce you to such.
Posted by JCitizen
7th Jan 2011
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>> I'm at 16th and Mission. Do you got anything for me?

>> Got one at 10th and Harrison.

>> 10th and Harrison? On my way.

>> Athan Rebelos: San Francisco Green Cab is a little over 3 years old. It was started by eight cab drivers who wanted to start a new cab company that was a little more socially responsible, a little more environmentally responsible. It's the first cab company to be committed solely to hybrids or alternative fuel vehicles in the country. The advantages of using a hybrid far exceed any expectations we may have had. And I remember when I heard that Green Cab was getting Priuses, I literally chuckled. I said, that will never work. And I was totally wrong. We're in an industry that by nature is a polluter. Really, it turns out that usually what's good or better for the environment is usually good for us, too. It's cost-saving for us, like trying to squeeze a few more miles out of the tires by rotating the tires, picking a good brand of tires, you know, using a more expensive lubricant that lasts longer. We use carbon offsets, and we're actually a zero carbon footprint company. The offset goes to Carbonfund.org. They use the money to redevelop rain forests and to plant trees to offset the emissions. We discourage the drivers from driving their own cars to work. We charge them to park a car here, but we let them bring a bicycle or motorcycle. I want Green Cab to be synonymous with San Francisco, like the cable cars. I want 100 years from now for there to be green cabs and for that legacy to continue on.

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