How did they make it popular? The article never really answers the subject.
Did they make the seats more comfortable? Set up a better pattern of routes somehow? Better environmental controls inside, less noisy inside? Let it go further out in to more rural areas?
Personally, making it easier to know the schedule/more predicable... doesn't do much. On google maps, I can get the schedule of any buses near where I am. I can get that on my phone from the website for the transportation org. Always could.
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The system needs to be professionally managed.
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Soooo.
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Buses are notorious when it comes to schedules (hence "wait for an hour then three come along at once"). The trick they deployed is real-time arrival info.
However I am fairly dubious about it. In my city, which admittedly is a lot bigger, the busway system has the so-called real time LED indicators at each station and the buses are equipped with GPS transponders etc. but it is crap. Shows ghost buses that never arrive and so nobody looks at it or trusts it anymore. The only thing that has worked is a subset of buses/routes that are so frequent you don't think about timetables. They also require electronic card boarding, with cash not accepted.
However I am fairly dubious about it. In my city, which admittedly is a lot bigger, the busway system has the so-called real time LED indicators at each station and the buses are equipped with GPS transponders etc. but it is crap. Shows ghost buses that never arrive and so nobody looks at it or trusts it anymore. The only thing that has worked is a subset of buses/routes that are so frequent you don't think about timetables. They also require electronic card boarding, with cash not accepted.
Posted by rhodez
9th Mar 2012
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Typical Smart Planet article - exagerated title.
I'm glad you noted this all too typical disconnect between the title and the article - a very common problem in SP's over the top attempt at attracting readers. No matter how many people point it out - it continues.
Posted by dduggerbiocepts
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Great questions j.
The keys for any successful transit system are simple.
1. Well planned routes.
2. Frequent schedules.
3. Timely service.
4. Low operating costs.
The most difficult item in most systems is keeping costs under control. Salaries, benefits, pensions and staffing levels need to be reasonably managed.
In many cities the government owned transit authorities have become dumping grounds for politically connected no show jobs. In addition, arbitration laws in most US states assume rate increases and or tax hikes are reasonable sources of money for unions to justify pay raises, lavish benefits and enviable pensions.
Transit systems that have run operating deficits for decades are forced to give pay raises that outpace income increases in the dreaded private sector. All subsidized by taxpayers.
Bostons MBTA is a great case study for all of this.
1. Well planned routes.
2. Frequent schedules.
3. Timely service.
4. Low operating costs.
The most difficult item in most systems is keeping costs under control. Salaries, benefits, pensions and staffing levels need to be reasonably managed.
In many cities the government owned transit authorities have become dumping grounds for politically connected no show jobs. In addition, arbitration laws in most US states assume rate increases and or tax hikes are reasonable sources of money for unions to justify pay raises, lavish benefits and enviable pensions.
Transit systems that have run operating deficits for decades are forced to give pay raises that outpace income increases in the dreaded private sector. All subsidized by taxpayers.
Bostons MBTA is a great case study for all of this.
Posted by Hates Idiots
8th Mar 2012
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The system needs to be professionally managed.
Unfortunately, most systems are politically managed.
In my city, the multi-billion dollar transit system was once run by a welfare-queen. (I am not exaggerating) She was originally put on the transit board because the politicians thought that "the poor" needed a voice in running the system. Eventually, she was appointed chairman, a grand symbol of political-correctness run amok. Of course, she was just a figurehead for the mis-managers who actually run the system. But it's hardly a paradigm that led to a well-run system that looked at its riders as their customers as opposed to being an excuse for their existence.
In my city, the multi-billion dollar transit system was once run by a welfare-queen. (I am not exaggerating) She was originally put on the transit board because the politicians thought that "the poor" needed a voice in running the system. Eventually, she was appointed chairman, a grand symbol of political-correctness run amok. Of course, she was just a figurehead for the mis-managers who actually run the system. But it's hardly a paradigm that led to a well-run system that looked at its riders as their customers as opposed to being an excuse for their existence.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
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This stuff helps
But as far as I'm concerned the critical factors are frequency & reliability. A bus coming once an hour just won't cut it.
Grade separation dramatically improves reliability of on-schedule arrival. Underground, elevated, whatever, but not getting tied up in automotive snafus makes a big difference.
Grade separation dramatically improves reliability of on-schedule arrival. Underground, elevated, whatever, but not getting tied up in automotive snafus makes a big difference.
Posted by CodeCurmudgeon
8th Mar 2012
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Hong Kong
So how does Hong Kong get people to use public transportation? The vast majority of the people use it....
My guess is that it is incredibly cheap to use, furiously reliable and dead simple to use even if you *DON'T* speak the language! and unless there's a typhoon on the way, another bus or trail *WILL* be there within 15 minutes (5 minutes with trains) And this is in a city with over 7 million people!
Take *THAT* western public transportation!
My guess is that it is incredibly cheap to use, furiously reliable and dead simple to use even if you *DON'T* speak the language! and unless there's a typhoon on the way, another bus or trail *WILL* be there within 15 minutes (5 minutes with trains) And this is in a city with over 7 million people!
Take *THAT* western public transportation!
Posted by tech_ed@...
9th Mar 2012