California and the UK both did huge studies following tens of thousands of kids for more than 20 years after they made major changes to vaccinations. No mercury, no bundled shots, staggered vaccination schedules, the works. The results were the same in both.
Autism rates continued to climb while infant mortality crept up slightly in communities with very low vaccination rates.
The needless deaths of 10 unvacinated infants during the 2010 California whooping cough outbreak was a warning of worse things to come if the growing tide of anti-vaccination rhetoric continues.
Here is one of those studys. http://www.immunizationinfo.org/science/autism-cases-california-after-removal-thimerosal
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Posted by wzenker
3rd Jan 2012
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No one is suggesting that YOU don't get vaccinated!
Posted by hortstu
22nd Jan 2012
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20 years of studys ignored.
Posted by Hates Idiots
Updated - 9th Jan 2012
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Really?
Really, what studies were those? I think you are fibbing. But since you obviously like facts, it might behoove you to note that more than half the pertussis cases were fully vaccinated. Seems it doesn't work, huh?
So, Mr. Hates Idiots, you should probably choose your username more carefully...
So, Mr. Hates Idiots, you should probably choose your username more carefully...
Posted by lawrencejamerson
30th Dec 2011
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Exactly
EXACTLY!!! I am with lawrencejamerson! Most of the kids that get the sicknesses are fully vaccinated. Why is that if it works?
Posted by stefcarter5
30th Dec 2011
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Do your research
Vaccines cause way more problems than just autism. It lowers their immune systems and causes all kinds of health problems. I have been researching this for years! Do your research and you will find out. Plus children that are also vaccinated can STILL get sick...if vaccines save lives then why can they sill get the sickness. Vaccines need to be changed they are not healthy to put into your body. Go look up the ingredients in every vaccine...they have horrible things besides mercury in them.
Posted by stefcarter5
30th Dec 2011
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Needless fear about childhood vaccinations? I told the pediatrician I didn't want my baby to get the hep-B vaccine at birth, they gave it to her without asking, it caused encephalitic screaming for four days and nights, and she was diagnosed with autism a year later. I didn't even have a choice.
Posted by ciaparker
2nd Jan 2012
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Vaccines
There is overwhelming scientific evidence to verify that vaccination saves lives. There is also data that verifies that there may be complications - although these complications are extremely rare. As long as the majority of people choose to get vaccinations, the small minority who do not will be relatively safe. If large numbers of non-vaccinated individuals are present in a population then there is a possibility of a disease outbreak and significant mortality. This has already happened a number of times in recent years.
Where the problems occur is when people embrace information which is incorrect. Any association of autism with vaccination has been completely disproved over and over again.
Boils down to survival of the fittest or the smartest. People make their choices and take the consequences - as did Steve Jobs!
Where the problems occur is when people embrace information which is incorrect. Any association of autism with vaccination has been completely disproved over and over again.
Boils down to survival of the fittest or the smartest. People make their choices and take the consequences - as did Steve Jobs!
Posted by wzenker
3rd Jan 2012
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Obviously made up you minds.
If you are not going to do a little bit of research on a topic before making a statement I have just one thing to say. Good luck.
10 California families lost their infant children to whooping cough because they refused to vaccinate their kids. The older kids came home from school infected and infected their younger siblings. The parents did not catch it because their parents had vaccinated them as kids. A few unvaccinated parents did get sick.
Maybe you need to talk to those parents and see if they have changed their minds. You should talk to the older siblings who have to go through life knowing they carried home the preventable bug that killed their younger siblings. My family lost over a dozen children in the 1920s to MINOR bugs like mumps, measles and whooping cough.
One MINOR flu outbreak in NY City wiped out over 20,000 people after the Civil War. We are not talking H1N1 here. This was a bug easily prevented by a common flu shot today that wiped out an entire branch of my family in 1 week.
You have no clue the horror that existed in urban areas before mass vaccinations.
10 California families lost their infant children to whooping cough because they refused to vaccinate their kids. The older kids came home from school infected and infected their younger siblings. The parents did not catch it because their parents had vaccinated them as kids. A few unvaccinated parents did get sick.
Maybe you need to talk to those parents and see if they have changed their minds. You should talk to the older siblings who have to go through life knowing they carried home the preventable bug that killed their younger siblings. My family lost over a dozen children in the 1920s to MINOR bugs like mumps, measles and whooping cough.
One MINOR flu outbreak in NY City wiped out over 20,000 people after the Civil War. We are not talking H1N1 here. This was a bug easily prevented by a common flu shot today that wiped out an entire branch of my family in 1 week.
You have no clue the horror that existed in urban areas before mass vaccinations.
Posted by Hates Idiots
Updated - 5th Jan 2012
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Life woz so much better with polio wasn't it ?
I'm sure you rocket surgeons came top in science in school or have bothered to read anything is science and medicine or have any education in the fields .
If this is what passes for education and critical thinking skills America is in deep deep smeg .
If this is what passes for education and critical thinking skills America is in deep deep smeg .
Posted by cptfreakout
4th Jan 2012
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Sorry guys...
There is no valid data linking vaccinations to autism. A few fear mongers have instilled that idea in a lot of people's minds, but a connection between the two is nonexistent. The only study that showed any linkage was shown to have been fabricated.
The ad does harm because it perpetuates the fear, and thus helps the spread of disease among unvaccinated children. This is not a conspiracy to force mercury or microchips on an unsuspecting public.
The ad does harm because it perpetuates the fear, and thus helps the spread of disease among unvaccinated children. This is not a conspiracy to force mercury or microchips on an unsuspecting public.
Posted by LedLincoln
Updated - 20th Jan 2012
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Hey, just maybe...
The people who believe that vaccinations are evil end up being that part of the herd that needs culling. Natures way of taking out two birds with one stone 
Yea for mother nature!
Yea for mother nature! 
Posted by Mr G Fellow
20th Jan 2012
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Yes make mine a double!
Was my original comment so horrible that it had to be deleted? Maybe it was the links to support my facts that got it taken down?
While rare, the risks with vaccines are very serious. Which is why vaccine makers are not liable for any injuries caused by their products. If the risks were rare and minor then they could easily foot the bill for their own liability, they'd just factor it into the cost of doing business. However, that's not the case. The American taxpayer has to pay for the damages that result from vaccines. Google vaccine injury settlements and look up who pays if you don't believe me. If damages were so rare and minor it surely wouldn't put a dent in the bottom line of big pharma or their share holders right?
You trust the makers of vioxx to create and inject stuff into your otherwise healthy kid when they have no horse in the race? They can't lose.
Do you really want to live in a country where you can be forced to inject questionable substances, created by companies dependent upon a steady stream of sick people in order to make trillions of dollars, into the blood stream of yourself and your healthy child at the threat of a gun? Sorry I don't trust corporations or our government that much.
While rare, the risks with vaccines are very serious. Which is why vaccine makers are not liable for any injuries caused by their products. If the risks were rare and minor then they could easily foot the bill for their own liability, they'd just factor it into the cost of doing business. However, that's not the case. The American taxpayer has to pay for the damages that result from vaccines. Google vaccine injury settlements and look up who pays if you don't believe me. If damages were so rare and minor it surely wouldn't put a dent in the bottom line of big pharma or their share holders right?
You trust the makers of vioxx to create and inject stuff into your otherwise healthy kid when they have no horse in the race? They can't lose.
Do you really want to live in a country where you can be forced to inject questionable substances, created by companies dependent upon a steady stream of sick people in order to make trillions of dollars, into the blood stream of yourself and your healthy child at the threat of a gun? Sorry I don't trust corporations or our government that much.
Posted by hortstu
21st Jan 2012
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The real proof is history.
The real proof that vaccinating children and adults works is found in history. Until vaccination became standard children and adults died or were disfigured by diseases that are now preventable. Yes a very few may have a reaction, but when you consider the huge numbers of people who have never had to get these diseases, it is worth the risk. At one time it was common for people to have serious scarring from even chicken pox. Measles left people blind, mothers who gave birth to children with birth defects. Mumps can cause sterility in men. Obviously these people have never lived when there were polio epidemics. The fear was not unlike what we experienced as a nation on 9/11. That is as close as I can come to an analogy. Do we really want to go back?
Posted by halomar1970
21st Jan 2012
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No one is suggesting that YOU don't get vaccinated!
That is your choice, just as it is mine to not vaccinate. Odds are if someone has chosen not to vaccinate then we're making a decision based on facts. Before I came to the conclusion to avoid vaccines I did more research on the subject than I did on any project or paper throughout my college education. I didn't blindly accept one side of the issue. I examined both sides intensely. I didn't ignore one side of the argument at the jumping off point. That's not objective and assumptions don't help you get to the truth. This was, after all, an issue of life and death. How much research does the average joe that chooses to vaccinate do? Great well it's your kid and I can't stop you from feeding him/her McDonald's either and I don't to take away those rights from you.
Another aspect to consider when you speak of the serious consequences resulting from vaccinable diseases pre vaccine is that they were prevalent in a time when healthcare was non existent. Hygeine was non existent. Clean water was non existent. Cities were growing at a pace where none of these things could be kept up with, and cities with overcrowded conditions are where most of these epidemics took place.
Whooping cough, measels, chicken pox etc are all treatable and the percentage of people that get them and die or are significantly damaged by them is as small as the significant risks associated with vaccines.
I'm not suggesting you don't vaccinate your child or do your own due diligence on the subject and come to your own conclusions. I can live with your choices. Please try to live with mine.
Another aspect to consider when you speak of the serious consequences resulting from vaccinable diseases pre vaccine is that they were prevalent in a time when healthcare was non existent. Hygeine was non existent. Clean water was non existent. Cities were growing at a pace where none of these things could be kept up with, and cities with overcrowded conditions are where most of these epidemics took place.
Whooping cough, measels, chicken pox etc are all treatable and the percentage of people that get them and die or are significantly damaged by them is as small as the significant risks associated with vaccines.
I'm not suggesting you don't vaccinate your child or do your own due diligence on the subject and come to your own conclusions. I can live with your choices. Please try to live with mine.
Posted by hortstu
22nd Jan 2012