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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Could better family planning help slow the effects of climate change?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[it is sort of amusing that so many deny that climate change ia occurring just because they have recently had to shovel snow. the bad winter storms we have just had is just an indication that it is winter and we do have snow storms then.climate change is a slow process and it isfortunet that it is not a rapid one or we all might be in trouble.it is sad that so many supposedly educated people have forgotten that almost all scientists agree that climate change is now occurring and warming the planet. the data shows the the scientists what is happening , and though it might be intertreted slkightly differently, science seems to agree what it all eventually meansit is okay to have an opposite view, but it would be nice if the view were grounded with , not facts that are cherry picked , but the conclusion given by taking all the facts available.itis also okay if ypour religion tells you abortion is wrong for you, just try not to force others to follow your dictates willy nilly. that never works out too well over the long term, i.e. noone ever expects the spanish inquisition.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:34:06 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[It's no joke]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[There's no argument about the demographics of developed countries regarding lowered birth rates and higher mortality, significant population increases in these countries are largely due to immigration.  Immigrants within the first world countries are largely responsible for population increases within these countries.  The main issue is that developing countries are in the majority on planet Earth and are significantly adding to the global population.  We've already seen huge population increases during the 19th amd 20th centuries (current developed world) and conservative estimates suggest that the rate of increase will continue for at least another half century.  The rate of increase is the cause for concern given the established relationship with current human activity and greenhouse gases.Global warming is fact, it's not conjecture.  Global warming is increasing.  Greenhouse gases are increasingly being released into the atmosphere, the rate of increase can now be seen to be coming from the third world although the first world countries are by far the highest contributors.  Developing countries aspire to the lifestyles of the developed world, this is happening in a hugely effective way by virtue of the free market commercial engines of the developed world.As is currently recorded as the worst case, the US on average per person consumption of global hectares of biocapacity is almost 10 global hectares as contrasted to just over 5 for a Western Europeans and just only one half (0.5) for an Indian.  This relationship suggests just how the potential increase in greenhouse emissions could be.  I'm afraid it also points to us (as a developed country citizen) as to how we need to take ownership amd control for the measures that are required to start to resolve the problem.  Herein is real problem.  I hope we (the first world) will step up to the mark in time.  I don't think this will happen but hope I am wrong.Established science.  Tree hugging is good, CO2 consumers whilst they live, greenhouse gas providers when they die.  The good logic is that we are doing this to ourselves.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:08:14 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[What a joke...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[More faulty logic on top of faulty science...hence another faulty belief system akin to another form of religion.Let's get this straight--we are headed towards a global population COLLAPSE. Because of falling birthrates, mostly in the West but also elsewhere. The only thing not happening will be higher mortality among the elderly due to (mostly) better health care. Many societies will collapse or suffer grave changes because there aren't enough children being born to support the generation(s) before them.Enough with the tree-hugging we-humans-are-bad schtick. We're already doing it to ourselves. After another decade or two we'll be kicking the people who pushed this malarky upon us. Bad science, bad beliefs. Wise up, folks.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Selvarin]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:46:28 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Could better family planning help slow the effects of climate change?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[There needs to be a fundamantal paradigm shift in the way that people relate to the world and each other to resolve these issues.  Whilst not remotely religious in the diety worshipping sense I see that the bible actually has most of the answer - the meek shall inherit the earth.  As long as humanity careers onward following its instinct to satisfy greed through consumption and appetite for wealth I don't see us lasting much more than a few more generations without natural catastrophic consequence.  Unfortunately I think it will come to this to force the paradigm shift unless there's another world war first as an attempt to secure what's left.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:11:36 -0800</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[The sheer evolution challenged ignorance of the people posting on this site is pathetic. There are too many people for the amount of resources on this planet, and global warming is a fact.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:48:14 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Could better family planning help slow the effects of climate change?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Judging from the replies there are two ways to slow population growth.  One is better educated women.  The other is to continue failing to educate current and future commenters about not just climate change and population growth, but about problem solving and decision making, how to examine an issue, and critically read an article or email.  Basic statistics, actually examining data, avoiding the urge to cherry pick, understanding the exponential function and doubling rate -- all important things to learn.  And global warming, be damned!  We're still losing an acre of forest each second, and half again as much rangeland to desert.  50-100 species per day -- extinct.  Africa will only have enough food for 40% of her people by 2025, and the world will need more food in the next 50 years than in the last 10,000!  What makes rain, and what makes desert?We have a lot to learn in a hurry -- or population will decline!!Thank you, Heather, for having the courage to forward this important perspective.One more thing, while we're in learning mode   Soils hold more carbon than vegetation and atmosphere combined.  And soils are depleted.  Regenerating soils reduces atmospheric carbon, and can lead to food and water security.  Fire plagued Australians are, out of necessity, leading the way on this one.  Five, ten, or more tons of CO2 per acre per year turned into topsoil.  Multiply by 12 billion acres.  Let me know if you need help with the math glenn*]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 12:29:15 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Could better family planning help slow the effects of climate change?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[And there are other reports that (surprise, surprise) the sun is the culprit and human activity is dwarfed by that.  Of course, if that is true, all the doom-sayers have to look for another living; follow the government money trail and which scientists are living at the public trough as long as panic prevails.  This isn't science any longer when alternative studies are suppressed; it's pure politics.  Where is the liberty czar?]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:49:00 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[A little more....]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I remember a story from the news several years ago, around the mid nineties, I think, when two tenured professors made a wager. They were on opposite sides of the population growth debate. Both were anthropologists, as I recall. The wager was for a ten year duration, and between themselves they set certain criteria, perhaps fifty items; to measure quality of life afer the ten years, based upon growth or decline of the population. The winner? The population growth advocate, of course. While the world is not a perfect place; and evil people on the level of Hitler and Hussein will populate the world occassionally; the world responds appropriately and rises up and squashes them like bugs. Their effect on the world; though tragic; is short lived. But consider the geniuses' effect; say for instance on the technological advances in food production. Those effects are far more reaching and have much more longevity than the evil dictators. So we do need those geniuses to be born; and also need warriors to be born to stand ready to squash the bugs that are born and rise to that bug level. Population growth is good; not bad; and you should support it.You know; you decry the Hitlers and Husseins out of one side of your mouth; but seem like you would secretly breathe a sigh of relief for all the population that they destroy out of the other side of your mouths. That is just wrong; and you need to repent of that.So, as you say, we need more arable land; so let's cut down more jungle to make it so!]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:13:02 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Family planning could solve ALL our problems]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The human race is spreading like a virus. We are using up more and more natural resources, not because we use more as individuals, but because there are so many of us. As to the question of who should do family planning: everyone everywhere, no exceptions. The lost genius theory could just as well be called the lost evil dictator theory. There are more evil people born anyway than geniuses, and even if a genius would say something important, the average person will either not understand the significance or simply ignore the advice, just as some of the above posters do.  Every couple who have more than two children are in practice condemning someone else to have none, or have their children starve. That's why third world children starve, there are let's say eight children with only food for four. No matter how the food is shared four are going to die. There is massive unemployment because there are too many people and too few jobs. There is lots of pollution because nature can only neutralize a certain amount of poison. There is lots of crime because there can not be enough things for everybody. We just can't make six billion cars, refridgerators, swimmingpools, TVs or whatever so that everyone can get one.  Look at all the traffic queues in big cities, they are there because there are too many people.  Nature controls large populations by reducing them with illnesses. We have stopped that for a while with medicines, but natures principles will soon resume. Why do You think all these viruses are sweeping the earth, quicker and quicker each time. What does it take to make YOU see that we are just darn too many already. For someone to have many children is not a human right, if it means that someone else's child is going to suffer for it. This is not an opinion, this is an undisputed fact.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Dukhalion]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:25:30 -0800</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[Interesting thing is, that generally (certainly not all) the reason higher educated women tend to have smaller families is not because they are deciding to 'save the environment', but because they are being more distracted from thinking about and doing family creation during their most fertile years - and they tend to have a more developed desire for self-centered meaning in their lives than do mothers of naturally large, two-parent families.  Much more often than not, we run into higher-educated women who wish they had not waited so long to get married and have children... and now they often can't have their own biological children.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[BrooXL]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:38:34 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The know nothings]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[In the US about the time of the American Civil War there was a political movement called the 'Know Nothings'. I see it was just sleeping not dead.Malthus wasn't wrong, he just was not able to predict the technological advances that enabled disaster to be postponed, note postponed not averted. Just remeber that the chances for the birth of a Hitler is just as likely as the supposed  genius who will 'solve the problem for us all'.wpelletier is correct, basic education of women in societies that have not traditionally done so is one of the best ways to reduce population as so many studies have shown. Family size goes down and health and economies grow.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:20:53 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[SmartPlanet my ass]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I didn't want to read this article when I saw the headline published in ZDNet.com but I was very curious to see what comments were made (to get a feel for what people really belive, Al Gore's fraud or truth that weather is weather and man does not affect it). It appears majority feels as I do on the issue with exception of those that stand to financially gain by adding more and more taxes on the people. I also despise the United Nations in its entirety, it is a club house for the most corrupt people in the world all gathered together to enslave and/or kill us. Should they ever be given the right to decide who lives and who dies? They are not God nor should they have any say over any one else's lifestyle. Matthew 7:3 &quot;&quot;Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?&quot;]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:09:23 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[About the Most Far Fetched and Misguided Association I've Ever Read]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The events mentioned are weather events.  They are typical occurrences and characteristic to certain areas around the globe.  They have created disasters when people accept the risk when they are located within the hazardous areas.  Address the logic of that and ask why do people put themselves into harms way?  Slowing the effects of climate change though?  Ludicrous.The way that this article is written makes it appear that climate is static and any aberration is from nice and clear is the dramatic effects of the dreaded climate change.  Really now.Anyway, the connections that you are looking for concern the concepts of population growth rate, cultural behaviors, resource consumption, land use, carrying capacity, education, technology, lifestyle, and demographic change.  For the large part, these are social matters.  But relating them to the current climate change debate when the natural hazards are as real as they have been for ages?  Maybe you're brainstorming and begging for discussion but doesn't SmartPlanet require articles to have some polish before publishing?  C'mon now don't risk your credibility like this.The way the article is presented makes it appear that any social or environmental concern may be tossed into a bowl and mixed to become part of a climate change salad.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:27:39 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Could better family planning help slow the effects of climate change?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Who should control their population? the emerging countries where one person emits 0.1 ton of Carbon per annum or those in developed world where the figure is 20 ton per annum? A bit of common sense is necessary in these grave matters.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:57:50 -0800</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[In my book, &quot;world without war, made possible by empowered individuals&quot;, I touch on population growth as a major environmental risk factor. At amazon.com you can look and search inside.Population growth also effects the rapidly shrinking arable land available per head of population. Here is a quote from my book:Arable land is limited and, apart from the oceans, it is the only source of food production. Of this planet?s 148 million square kilometres of land, approximately 31 million are arable; however, arable land is being lost at the rate of over 100,000 km? per year as a result of urban sprawl and drought. If this is seen against a growing population, it becomes clear that arable land per head of the world?s population is reducing at an alarming rate. While it was a mere 0.51 ha per person in the year 2000, it will become about 0.34 ha per caput in 2050, a reduction of 33 per cent or one third. If scientific predictions of rising oceanic water levels resulting from the melting of Arctic and Antarctic ice eventuate, then available arable land will shrink even more as a result of flooded deltas and low-lying islands being submerged.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[nick@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:17:38 -0800</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[Well, Heather, you certainly suceeded in bringing out the know-nothings ... even the ones who proudly announce that they ignore sources of information they don't want to hear.  When the food runs out, who will they blame, I wonder? Certianly not themselves, divinely entitled as they are to everything they consume.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:34:25 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Family Planning? Global Warming?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Have you no ability to read the data yourself? We're in a period of Global Cooling and have been for about 100 years, and are about 200 years from its peak. Also, we could not significantly affect the average temperature of this planet even if we wanted to do so. Solar radiation--controlled largely by cosmic dust and solar flares--are the primary cause of changes to our surface temperature (which, by the way, we have yet to develop an accurate way to measure).]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[mlmueller]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:25:50 -0800</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[They used to say the planet was going to cool down and it got warmer so Al Gore jumped on the bandwagon and invented &quot;Global Warming&quot; and it got colder. Then they repackaged Global Warming into Global Climate Change. Do you see a pattern here? Time to distinguish junk science from real science.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:29:13 -0800</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[Climate change is due to many causes; not just temperature (though the cooling effect of the melting ice caps might give the sceptics more encouragement). Population increase is the main factor. In Australia we are running out of water and many of the river systems are dying. More people more demand on resources. Its simple really (yes I class myself as one of morons who believe population control will be necessary) - just look at the NASA picture of the nightsky. Imagine this coverage doubled by the year 2050. Imagine the ncreased demand, land clearing, and of course outputs. Nope - as someone said, not rocket science.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[john.hendriks@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:47:34 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[HOW!!!!!!]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[It is funny they never mention that the average temperature is still below the 12th cenrury, when the European building boom occured. They fail to mention that the temperature has been dropping for the last nine years. How is having fewer babies going to make the sun warmer or cooler? Are these people really that stupid or do they think that I am? The temperature of the Earth is directly related to sunspot activity as proven by long term observations over several centeries as oppesed to their 'evidence' of a few years.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[nimrod666]]></dc:creator>
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