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        <title><![CDATA[that grocery stores]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-6345-55518]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[that grocery stores pulled out of Watts after the riots there burned locally owned grocery stores? Or that the same thing happened after the Detroit fan riot in 1984 and again in 1990. Same in 1992 in the LA riots. President Obamas old buddy Van Jones admits to burning a grocery store during those riots. kral oyun kanal d oyun]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[onur26]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 03:20:30 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Agreed!]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Frankly, the whole idea of self-driving cars is another &quot;solution in search of a problem.&quot;  Creating personal buses isn't just inefficient and costly (automation is more expensive manufacture and maintain), it increases society's over-reliance on machines to respond correctly to completely unforeseen eventualities.  It takes a human brain to handle the unexpected.  Nothing should be behind the wheel of a vehicle but a breathing, thinking, alert, and involved person.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[cardhun@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:04:10 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Once again...]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-6345-46096]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[...the suggested solution involves government coercion.BTW: HSR is a fraud.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[JohnMcGrew@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2011 17:56:18 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Urban sprawl, move the employers]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-6345-45846]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[People go where the jobs are.  Jobs centralize where major transportation lines are.  So, force corporations and industries to set up their new facilities in small towns throughout the province/state and get high speed railroads going to move their goods and people.  Spread the population across a multitude of existing places that are dying because of youth drain.  Ease pressure on metropolises (metropoli?) and get those big trucks off the roads.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[suzwilli]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 13:43:31 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[On-demand transport through needs matching]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-6345-45819]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[This is a 'need/means' matching problem. Easily solved. Most personal transport needs can be easily met through on-demand matching system that could match available transport to persons needing to move between any two points. To those who say it can't happen, I heard that about the Pooper Scooper Law when it was passed here in NYC. Today, the 'dog business' is booming in NYC and the streets are nearly free of dog feces. Who woulda thunk it?-dh]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[dlhawthorne]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 13:12:12 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The Jetsons]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-6345-45829]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Google's new whip proves that we're right on track to 2015, when according to Back to the Future Part II flying cars will be everywhere.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason McCormick]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:14:22 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Camera tech to save energy and time]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I've often wondered how this (Google driverless car) project got funded instead of something that seems so much more useful, profitable, and beneficial to the country -- intelligent camera controlled traffic signals.Recall how many times you've been stuck at a stoplight when you can see that there's no other traffic for miles. Then just as a huge slug of traffic arrives at your intersection, twenty cars get stopped while you get to turn. The amount of fuel and time wasted staggers the imagination.Now if you had cameras mounted atop (or integrated into) traffic lights, they could act as a really good traffic cop, that could see way down the road and could communicate with traffic controllers in the neighborhood or even across the city.They could use the best algorithms to maximize flow. The could keep counts so that at any time you could know how many vehicles of what type were passing anywhere in the city.On &quot;thoroughfares&quot; you could use the camera intelligence to determine the optimum speed limit (or advisory) to smooth and maximize flow.If Google applied themselves to this sort of technology they would be making a huge contribution to conserving energy and time resources, while reducing the national blood pressure, and I suspect, creating a hugely profitable business venture that would create jobs across the country (world).]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[davidqxo]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 08:02:00 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[But &amp;quot;sprawl&amp;quot; is the point.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Progressives are not willing to address the reasons (many of which you pointed out) that people have historically fled our urban centers.  Since they cannot/will not address these issues, the only way to get people to do what they want is via coercion; either economic or otherwise.If they'd only address the reasons people leave, coercion would not be necessary.  Alas, from their point of view, coercion is the faster/easier solution.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[JohnMcGrew@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 13:13:35 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Work from home part 2]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I too worked from home for almost 9 years and did love the freedom it gave me to tend to personal matters especially when you have kids.  But the job quickly grew to 10 + hour work days and clients and fellow employees contacting me at all hours of the day.  Also your home office is only a few steps away so you're always on call.  I've found going to an office allows me to clearly define work and home plus if I have a bad day I have time to decompress on the ride home.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[MarkAgain]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 08:30:37 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Not to nitpick...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[You actually do have the freedom to operate a motor vehicle without a license or registration. You do need to have an identifying tag on the vehicle, but that is all that is required. Believe it or not, every American has a sovereign right to travel. It's just that we're not told by the state that we have that right, and instead are presented with a &quot;contract&quot; (and yes, your signature on all of those documents down at the DMV constitutes a contract between you and the state). It's amazing what you can pass off to the public under the guise of authority.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[n00tch]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 06:51:03 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Agenda 21]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-6345-45275]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Yet another reason to get the U.S. out of the UN and to kick that proto-communist organization out of the U.S.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[mudpuppy1]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:10:02 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[sprawl is missing the point]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[you have to ask why is sprawl happening?  I believe some of the reasons for sprawl is because cities are not built for humans. It's well documented that for millennia, cities have higher real estate prices for less Square footage, greater pollution, lower quality of life, higher prices, lower quality food and lower access to good food.  if you look at police crime statistics, you'll see that urban spaces have significantly higher crime rates, violent and nonviolent.  fix the cities and people will move back in willingly. And that's another important bit. You can't force anybody to do anything. Make attractive, make it cheaper and then people do green things which is why I find electric cars so interesting.The city repair I described will take hundreds of years. In the meantime, I would rather see us taking advantage of existing infrastructure(no additional cost) using electric cars. we would significantly drop energy usage, we will preserve mobility,  preserve competition in food supplies, and other goods and services instead of being bound to the near-monopoly of local merchants.  I also look forward to the possibility hinted at by other real-world experiences that electric cars may destroy existing public transportation. one of these hints can be found in the archives for Green car Congress. Search for electric bicycles in China, to find an article talking about how in China, a family can purchase electric bicycle and in the first year, cover  the cost of the bicycle by its replacing public transit as a means of transport. if the same relationship plays out with electric cars and public transit, there'll be no need or reason to spend any money on public transit systems.I really think electric cars are a huge win for us as a society. The energy savings, the CO2 reduction, reuse of existing infrastructure are all major pluses.  environmentalists who want people to live in cities should feel free to invest their own money in redevelopment projects replacing low density urban housing with high density housing. If they do it right, some people may be willing to move in but good suburban space with nearby access to wild lands is wonderful and has no urban experience that can compare. I wish them luck trying to convince people to move in but in the meantime, electric cars are the way to go to put a big dent in the CO2 problem.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[esjatharvee]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:03:29 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[UN Agenda 21]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Pretty soon they won't be able to pull this off even in Abu Dhabi as the Arabs are discovering individual freedom.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[jwbales]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:41:52 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The issue of &amp;quot;sprawl&amp;quot; is a worthwhile topic...]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-6345-45118]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[...while the degree that self-driving cars will have upon promoting it is just silly.As for stopping sprawl, I suggest two solutions:A) Make cities more desirable to those who now choose to live outside cities.B) Slow population expansion, which in the US is exclusively caused by immigration, and globally due to subsidized birth rates.Both these topics seem to be too uncomfortable for progressives to address.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[JohnMcGrew@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:59:44 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I don't want someone or something doing it for me, also]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I happen to enjoy driving even though I realize that something has to change, humans can't continue to operate the they we are. You humans...  So the car was invented, and cities such as Los Angeles were built so that one HAS to buy a car. Now they made the device and engineered your need for one, great they sold millions. Now self driving cars could contribute to the final decision to live further out and commute farther but the real problem is that are too many people already. Urban sprawl and more people to fill up the new cities. Great.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Derteufel]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:32:22 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[How is sprawl freedom?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Freedom to ruin the environment? It's not about who's telling who what to do, there are reasons why this is detrimental. And what &quot;freedoms&quot; do you have driving a human made device that you do not have the freedom to oprerate without a license and registration fees?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Derteufel]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:27:00 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I think what you wrote is a fact.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I agree.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Derteufel]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:22:53 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Suburban Sprawl = More Freedon / Less Governmental Control]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[At best this Greg Lindsay is a Useful Idiot for the corrupt politicians and their bosses (the real power &amp; elite) who want nothing more then to move as many of us serfs into these small easily controlled mega cities limiting our ability to transport ourselves so that we are at the mercy of those in control of the city.I can???t believe how moronic this guy???s comments are and how arrogant he is to act like as if his comment about suburban sprawl being bad while urban sprawl infill (his words) being good is just going to be accepted by the readers as fact  when its pure crap. Greg Lindsay is just another pro-big government stooge/hack trying to sell everyone on how much better we???d al be if we lived more like the prisoners in China have to, under tight government control.  Please tell me nobody takes this guy serious;y.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[BlueCollarCritic]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:17:20 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Work from home]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I work from home as a programmer and have actually come to cherish the 9 to 5 office job, where I am not having people ask me to take care of some little extra every time I turn around.When I commute to the office I work a 40-50 hour per week job, every job I telecommute slowly morphs into an 10-14 hour a day 6 days a week job  ]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[CC2k]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:04:30 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[When did Corporations decide we would all become willing cattle!]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[In the 21st century we find ourselves being forced to compete with India and China's CHEEP LABOR, a place where workers are housed in corporate housing, living below poverty in overcrowded and inhumane conditions all for the sake of the corporate bottom line.So I have 2 remarks here.1) I think the overall idea of self driven cars would actually improve condition, especially traffic, human error is to blame for most accidents on our highways, and to worsen that condition is our human nature to gawk at someone's misfortune, which I refer to as, &quot;that freeway Kodak moment&quot;. So in reality self driven cars could be the best thing that ever happened to revolutionize commuting and travel.2) On the other hand I am pretty sick and tired of Corporate greed gobbling up all the efficiency we scientists and developers create. It seems no matter how efficient and time saving we make a process that it's the corporations who benefit, piling more profit into their bottom line while the workers stagnate at the same levels of struggle. I am annoyed that this modern marvel is already being equated into more productivity!!.I.E. Computers should have opened the door to a push button age of automation that provided relief to the workload on the average worker, and coupled with robotics make everyone's life much easier.Instead; The corporations viewed the multitasking capabilities of computers as a reason to demand more of workers by forcing them to multitask also and lay off the excess, again all for the benefit of that bottom line.In my opinion where the industrial revolution brought advancement to civilization, the electronic revolution has been used against us as a civilization by corporate entities in order to allow a greedy few to split civilization into two classes, Nobles and Serfs.New programming and devices meant to improve society, computers at the top of the list, are now being controlled and used as tools against the masses and individual people instead of for the purpose of which they are intended. It is for these reason programmers like myself have been withholding some of our best outside the box work, until that time arrives when corporations and governments will not make weapons out of them to use against us.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[CC2k]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:53:28 -0700</pubDate>
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