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        <title><![CDATA[Ominous Omnius? Or just confusion.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Dear Omnius,On the very day that you could go out and buy an equivalent spec BMW or Merc i.e. silent, fast and fully loaded, and non polluting for $ 25000.- new you would have an argument.Since this will never happen, I think you may be simply confused. Consider this, for the last 100+ years we have had IC based transport with engines that need constant work and replacement. Pollute the atmosphere locally everywhere they go. The price of the vehicle is actually quite cheap all things considered, as the equivalent cost of an IC based vehicle in or around 1910 would have been the same as a three bed-roomed house, would break down at least 4-5 times every 50 miles or so and have a number of punctures along the way to help with progress. Makes the Tesla look very good indeed, over here in the UK the cost of running our EV's is less than 1/10th the cost of the IC based equivalents, not including Govt subsidies. If we charge from renewable energy sources this goes down to 1/30th the cost of an IC. HMMMMMM, some choice !?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[gerard sauer]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 09:42:58 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[It's not just about the cost of gas.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[There's more to this.  The car that you buy for $70,000 (or $50,000 for the 160 mile version) isn't just a way to save money on gas.  It's also an elegant, comfortable, high end luxury sedan.  You could easy spend that on a comparably equipped 5-series BMW or Mercedes.Tesla's strategy is the inverse of Nissan's.  Instead of starting at the bottom and working up, they are starting at the top and working down.  THis is particularly wise for several reasons.  Profit margins are greater at the high end of the market, and volumes are lower, giving them a chance to get all of the kinks out of the design and the manufacturing processes before they introduce lower cost, broader appeal vehicles.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[kledeen@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 06:33:51 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Just to correct some misunderstandings]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[First - Tesla sells battery replacements for around $10,000 --- but that's today's battery, not what you would be buying in 10 years or so when you need to replace yours.  You will be able to use the latest, greatest, cheapest technology then. Virtually all houses in America have 220 power.  The normal voltage delivered to our homes is 110 in opposite phases -- that's how you get 220.  It costs around $100 to have an electrician install a convenient outlet.As for range - we are only one doubling away from a car that will go farther than most of us will tolerate in a day --  I personally can't really take 12 hours sitting in any car, even a luxury one.The cost to recharge an 85kwW battery is around $6.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[kledeen@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 06:30:11 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Tesla's Model S will go 300 miles and cost $77,400]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-5514-37971]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[So much for the initial plan to be in the same price range as a regular luxury car like an Acura or Lexus. $80k is a far cry from the original touted price tag of $50k.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Crimson Wife]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 07:15:55 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Tesla's Model S will go 300 miles and cost $77,400]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-5514-37587]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[The problem is always the cost of the battery (initial and replacement) and the need for an upgraded costly power grid, capable to provide additional massive power for charging millions of e-vehicles every day.So the sales of e-vehicles will sky-rocket and totally replace conventional vehicles only when rechargeable batteries will be replaced with another, cheap, powerful, environmentally-friendly, long term power source -like nuclear fusion. Or a fusion-battery if you prefer. There is no future for e-vehicles running on rechargeable batteries.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Administrator.]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 15:29:59 -0800</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[With no real competition they can raise the price. If Aptera could manage at all to get a product on the market it may help drive Tesla price down but I've been waiting for that for three years now.In order for these things to have an impact they must appeal to the masses and at a price like $80k it is just not reasonable. Tesla remains committed to the more affluent pats of society and until they learn to make something that will compete with the Honda Accord they will have little REAL market growth.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[MostyNuts]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:28:44 -0800</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[the 300 mile range is great but the price is high. the leaf is $50,000 less and may only go 90 miles per charge, but 90% of the daily driving is in that range. It also charges at the same rate as the tesla and it also has a solar panel charger that charges when parked outside.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:36:23 -0800</pubDate>
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        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-5514-37447]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[I wince when I see the price of fuel bandied about by you chaps on the west side of the pond... Over here, regular unleaded is now  at least ?1.30 a litre. That's ?6 a gallon, or (at the current exchange rate) very nearly US$10. It's bad enough over here that we rejoice when the price of a litre of fuel doesn't rise every week.Diesel is not ?1.35++ per litre, but the benefits of significantly greater economy still mean it is popular.I plan to move somewhere with a high number of hours of sunshine. Solar power, stored for charging an electric car overnight, will add to the significant up-front costs, but it makes sense.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[gjm123]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:32:57 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[power supply stations - solar or wind generated 220 charging stations?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[One of the key issues with electiricity supply is the power generation itself - coal fired, natural gas, oil... it is still fossil fuel. The ultimate source of energy for our planet is the sun. so why not have a network of solar powered charging stations - wind power is another choice. This would take time and careful planning to make it work on any large scale basis - should it be funded by our tax dollars? or left to private industry? or some kind of hybrid cooperative effort?  I like cooperation.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[shelton.hubbell@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 02:01:28 -0800</pubDate>
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        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-5514-37405]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[@NickV5 #16 lithium, or some other heavy metal.Lithium, a heavy metal, IIRC it comes right after H (1) and He (2).Li (3) has an atomic weight of only 6.941, I had to look that up, I must be getting old. Hummm I am only 72, ouch, that is old. At least I remembered Li was #3 after H and He. No I was not a chemist.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Me_too]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 20:24:26 -0800</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[I attended a test-drive day with the Tesla folks and their &quot;Sport&quot; model. They had reasonable-sounding answers for every objection voiced above. Principal among the solutions was an agreement with one or another hotel chain who are already installing charging stations for the quicker-fill options. Tesla supplies a list of power points throughout California; otherwhere may not be as well-primed as California, although the demonstrators described cross-country trips and regular &quot;commutes&quot; between L.A. and the San Francisco area. If you are interested, dig up the Tesla Web site. The Sport is quick, well-put-together, and impressive in just about every respect. Not real kind to taller people, but I reckon the &quot;S&quot; will handle that.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 14:57:42 -0800</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[None of the commenters hit the point. People who spend $80,000 for a car couldn't care less about the price of gas. They will want the unique features of electric combined with the luxury features, as well as the cache of driving a limited edition car. I love competition and wish Tesla well.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[mcooper@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 14:33:03 -0800</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[Wait til we have a real gas crisis, with long lines at the gas station.  Electric car owners will be cruising by with a big smile on their faces.  We have to wean ourselves off of gasoline, if only to insulate us from Mid East problems.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[johnkes]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 14:28:22 -0800</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[NickV5, actually lithium is the lightest metal (atomic number 3) and is not particularly toxic to humans and other life.  That's not to say there aren't hazards from using it but environmentally it's relatively benign.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[riverat1]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 14:22:02 -0800</pubDate>
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        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-5514-37348]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Sounds like another Gauge to me.74,000]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[blocher72]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 13:01:18 -0800</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[A couple of other thoughts on this. . . . I would guess that the batteries are lithium, or some other heavy metal. . . what about the environmental and &quot;hazardous materials&quot; impact with battery changes, accidents, etc., and the environmental impact of making the batteries in the first place. . .Also, I keep hearing about the cost of gasoline, but no one mentions that a significant portion of that is in road taxes (one form or another), yet, for some reason, there is no &quot;road tax&quot; on electricity. . . but you can rest assured that soon the &quot;gumment&quot; is going to figure out that this is happening and they'll start adding it to electricity, one way or another.  And, if anyone says the road taxes aren't siginficant then there wouldn't be such a heavy fine for people using gas, diesel, for farm or industrial (non-road use) -- I believe that they run in the range of $5000 if you get caught.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[NickV5]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 12:32:44 -0800</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[The real problem is even if electric cars became affortable, and everyone could get one, the U.S electric grid could not handle it.They expect that there will be power outages in the U.S in 5-10 years if we don't build another nuclear power plant. Add 50-100 million people driving electric cars and that will be more like 2-4 years if not less. Sure we could build more nuclear power plants but that just adds more problems than it is fixing.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[kpar81]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 12:23:34 -0800</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[Omnius: Even if gas goes up to $7/gallon you would need to drive the thing nearly 17 years just to break even on the price using your calculations. And that is not considering any maintenance such as battery replacement. Looking at NickV5's post, let's split the difference and call it $30K for a battery swap. That adds another 8 years you need to drive every time you swap out batteries. If they start failiing after about 5 years (being very optimistic here), then you will never make up the difference with this car.Battery prices need to come down fairly significantly in order for these vehicles to be anything other than a luxury item.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[krclark]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 12:03:03 -0800</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[Two issues of concern, but T is a great new way to bring in real electric market and prices will fal, if not T''s then at other manufactures. ISSUES areHow much REALLY cold weather, zero F and lots of snow testing done. read where volt/leaf did not do real well, heather in volt not great and cold pulls down battery etc.Second, what do most think the plan will be, read tax etc for electrics when politicians find gas taxes falling off for roads etc? Just got to know the pols and special highway/road interests will find a way to screw electrics']]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[hmmmmm!]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 11:53:12 -0800</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[The Tesla Model S uses the same chassis as the Astin Martin Rapide, which sells for $199,000. So I can buy the Tesla and use the extra $121,600 to buy enough electricity to drive 3,648,000 miles. Maybe only 2,000,000 miles if I have to replace the batteries a couple times. See, electric cars can be affordable!And, to be fair, the Tesla is being built as a luxury car. As such, it's price isn't too far out of line with higher end Lexuses, Mercedes and BMWs. pauc1's argument about how much gas he could buy for the price applies just as well to a Lexus LX540.Seriously, though, electric cars are not about saving money, they're about saving us. The United States uses over 360 MILLION gallons of gasoline EVERY DAY. And other parts of the world are doing their best to catch up to that number. The ecological cost can't even be calculated. Any major disruption in that supply will, I believe, collapse the worlds' economies. Electric cars are part of an answer. Yes, they're expensive now. So well-heeled individuals or those who feel strongly enough about the ecology will buy them now. As the manufacturers make more, the price will come down until the rest of us can afford them. The technology for range and charging will improve over time as well.For myself, there are maybe two times a year where I couldn't get by with a car with a 300 mile range. And those two times I could rent a car or fly or take a train. And I am lucky enough to be living in a house where I can plug in. People who live in apartments have a harder time of it unless/until the apartment complexes put in charging outlets.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[richard.beebe@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 11:48:22 -0800</pubDate>
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