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        <title><![CDATA[Chinese water]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[(a) China currently uses more water than falls on the country, which is obviously unsustainable even with massive dams.Wrong.  You would have to take into account the rate at which water is cycled through it's use - farming takes all year, but a shower sends the water right back - you can take 365, 50 gallon showers in a year without reducing the availability of water on drop.  Plus - the water that falls back onto China is not the same water that was used the previous year - it is part of a global cycle of ocean evaporation and raining back to earth.  Unless you are worried about lowering the level of the oceans, your analysis is badly flawed.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[StyleDoggie]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:38:08 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Water vs. Oil]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Let's contrast water to oil:Water is abundant and easily found - Oil is much more scarce and undergroundWater recycles itself - oil is non-renewable and destroyed by using it.We've been running out of oil for 150 years - we just started running out of waterWe are dependent on foreign sources of oil - we are water independent... and yet, we still have plenty of oil.Fresh water is constantly created in vast amounts evaporating off the oceans and raining back to earth - it's a relatively straight forward distribution issue, not a resource issue.  If we're running out of one of the most abundant substances on the planet there can be only one explanation - the government is in charge of providing it.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:23:02 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[water water everywhere]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I say take to problems and make a solution....,,Problem 1 the West is drying upProblem 2 we are having flooding issues to the east (EVERY YEAR) solution  The Obama Cannal, water control for the flooding , water for the west, jobs created for the unemployed...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[hyronormus]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 11:48:10 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[What we can do to avoid this]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[We should really start spreading out the message to not just leave this issue for future generations but to start making a change from the very start. I think that overpopulation is really affecting the planet and we should really start taking that in consideration, the rule of having one kid like they do in China should be all around the world and each child should be able to be aware the problems about our world. Our world isn't perfect but we don't have to destroy it, we should take care of our Earth. We should start saving water and being responsible for our planet. The people should come together and work together and not leave all the work for other people, we should all work together to avoid this issue. If the world works together, which I hope that it will be accomplished, then the world will finally be over of all these problems that spread out fear to peoples' minds. This problem is very scary so I am trying my best to solve this, I am a really big tree hugger and I am proud of it... even if people look at me weird I always spread out the message that it's not something that doesn't matter. And I've got people to actually take care of these issues. I take care of my home, my home is Earth and I love my home. And I am sure that if more people start taking care of the problem every will get better. I can assure people that.Peace and blessings to everyone.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[PeaceintheWorld]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 17:59:33 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Why we're running out of water]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Too many people and not just India and China.  Humans need to reduce their reproductive rate and use proper conservation techniques.  It is not and/or situation it is an and situation.  In other words stop all this in vitro fertilization, restrictions on abortion, etc.  I hate to say it, but some us are sterile in order to help the natural control of growth.  Next time you think about having more than one child--adopt or think again.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:17:10 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Why we're running out of water]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I read a report a number of years ago by the Worldwatch Institute about the coming water crisis.  Among the points I recall are (a) China currently uses more water than falls on the country, which is obviously unsustainable even with massive dams, (b) the Ogalala aquifer that runs under the great plains is being pumped out faster than it can recharge (as noted above), what is not noted, is that the land is subsiding along with the deficit - the aquifer is like a sponge filled with water, as you remove the water, the pressure from the land above compresses it.  The result is that it can never recharge to the level it once contained, (c) that trade in wheat and beef are essentially trades in water - a country that does not have enough water to produce either can import the water in the form of its end product, and (d) that if it is not addressed, water could potentially spark wars just as it has caused conflicts in the west.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Behoff]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 08:41:08 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Why we're running out of water]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Next thing these libtards are going to want is to charge you for the oxygen you breath ... Oh no, we've got a global oxygen deprivation crisis!!]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 23:00:29 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Why we're running out of water]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Overpopulation is just the scare tactic that world leaders are using to try and keep more for themselves. There is no &quot;capacity&quot; for this planet, and our limited life spans greatly limit our reproduction rate, no matter how frisky we all get. If you're so worried about those who have less than you, give them what you have. We have excess of everything in the United States while others in the world have next to nothing. That is not overpopulation speaking. It is actually the result of greed.On the other hand, I find it interesting that this entire article failed to outline how the corporations that are stealing and bottling water are contributing to the problem. They're taking water from this community and sending it across the nation, or across the globe. Moving it around is making water more and more difficult to access for certain areas. All the while they have nearly everyone convinced that the bottled water is somehow more pure than tap water, even though there hasn't been any  positive difference. Nevermind the toxic chemicals that are in the plastic. Agriculture may play a large part, but so does this.This study stinks of bias.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 23:53:34 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Why we're running out of water]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Dukalion,I have no children. Overpopulation is NOT the problem. There is no problem.Tell the settlers moving west across the U.S. 100-200 years ago that there were no water shortage problems...]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 11:53:46 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Why we're running out of water]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[This is the next &quot;global warming&quot; scam.In 1952, Isaac Asimov wrote &quot;The Martian Way&quot; about a politician named Hilder who created an hysteria about Earth losing its precious water supply in order to rise to power.There are one and a quarter quintillion tons of water on the planet.One percent of that is 12.5 quadrillion tons of water.There are 6.8 billion people on the planet. That's roughly 2 million tons of *useable* water per person. And water recycles.We have virtually limitless energy for converting seawater to potable water coming from the sun; throw up some solar power satellites and use them to power desalinization plants. Or build some nuke plants to do so.L.A., in a scrub desert, needs water? Haul some icebergs into the harbor(s).I would guess that you are a progressive, Leal. What gives it away is your presumption that &quot;SL: That?s why we elect people. They should be pushing us. We?re on a collision course. This is a crisis.&quot;Sorry, but that's not how things work in the U.S. The government is NOT our parent and has no business trying to steer us in the direction some wolf-criers want us to go.There's a lot of water on Earth. Making it potable and transporting it to where it is needed to me doesn't sound like a crisis, it sounds like a business opportunity. If there really is a shortage anywhere, some clever guy is going to figure out how to make a buck off of desalinating it and getting it there... provided some idiot bureaucrat doesn't get in the way.Man isn't the only thing that consumes water on this planet. Plants consume lots of water, animals consume lots of water. The fact that there are 6.8 billion humans rather than the equivalent in plant and animal life doesn't increase the consumption of water.Unfortunately, 3 generations of kids have been indoctrinated in this nonsense rather than educated, so that they'll swallow this bunk without question: it's an article of faith among the Earth Worshippers (like Leal) that Man is bad, Man is harmful, Man is unnatural. And that religious doctrine has been imposed upon countless school children over recent decades. This is not about ecology or conservation. This is another assault on capitalism. Her answer is an authoritarian socialist answer.If the environment is so fragile, and the crisis is so imminent, why are people like Leal not proposing a crash space program, to move industries into orbit, to design and build tankers to haul petrochemicals in from Titan, to begin Terraforming operations on Mars and Venus? Sure it will take a lot of resources and time, but if the survival of Mankind, and perhaps life itself is at stake, isn't it the moral imperative to ensure that, if that evil monster Man does manage to destroy the environment, life can survive elsewhere? No, this is not about big issues like the survival and advancement of Mankind. This is about combating capitalism and turning the world into an authoritarian socialist state, run, of course, by the Big Brains like Leal.Leal, do Mankind a favor and shut up.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 11:51:23 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Why we're running out of water]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Thanks for this post, Andrew! This is such and important issue, I am glad that it is getting more visibility. It is great to hear from from your readers that so many people are engaged by this subject.  The solutions are available to avoid this impending crisis. What we need now is action! Thanks again!Susan LealSenior Fellow, Harvard UniversityAuthor, Running Out of Waterhttp://www.SusanLeal.com]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:45:31 -0700</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[Oh! Boy. Another CHRISI!! Don't worry. The water vapor put out by the Democrats will soon condense and we'll have all the water we need! Now, to get a dose of reality. The 70's; Oil is finite and we will be out of oil in 20 years. The 80's; Oil is finite and we will be out in 20 years. The 90's; Oil is running out and we will be out in 20 years. And NOW; Oils is running out and we will be out in 20 years. Gees, new OIL is found everyday. New deposits of useful materials is FOUND every DAY! I cannot believe, you people, the one's who assuage us with this type of Scaremongering and arrogance you use to make your points. Do you REALLY think that you know how much water is on/in  the earth?  LOLOLOLOLOL&gt; Is there  nothing in your lives but CRISIS? Go home talk with your families and profess your Love for each other. Man is nowhere near the BRINK! (Please, don't give me that the EASY WATER is being used up!) To those that are professing the over population &quot;CRISIS&quot;, realize this. The world is about Living comfortably. At least for most of us. Profess how too many people will destroy the earth? Have we NOT come all this way in history? Have we NOT bettered our Environment? Are we NOT healthier? Are we NOT living longer? China's one child policy has done a great injustice for itself. THEY decided that there were too many people being born. NOW after 40 years or so, they realize, like us, that there are NOT enough YOUNG to keep the economy viable. Not enough workers to replace the OLDER outgoing generation. The Same for EUROPE. OH, yeah! It's a CRISIS! The most overused word in our modern frustration.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Solution1]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:44:39 -0700</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[I agree wth over-population being the real issue... real problem is that the only ones willing to do self-controlled population growth are usually the intelligent ones.  We continue to support the growth of populations of people that are unwilling to help themselves]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[danny.sloop@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 06:13:17 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Simple.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Stop subsidizing it.  Most of our resource allocation problems are the result of subsidies.When I first started researching this issue 25 years ago, farmers in California were growing rice in the desert!  Probably 98% of it was lost to evaporation.  Why?  Because water was so cheap to them that it didn't matter how wastefully it was deployed.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 05:50:39 -0700</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[It seems to me that a real disaster will occur when the aquifers run dry and energy is too dear for desalination. How can aquifer water ever be replaced?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Dant1]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 01:56:07 -0700</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[no, the article never said water gets used up.The article did say that clean water that is where it is needed is limited. The gallons that are &quot;used&quot; in making a pound of beef, are turned into wastewater and water vapor. Much of the water vapor falls into the ocean, the waste tends to pollute other fresh water.Desalination will be the ultimate solution to having unlimited fresh water, but currently it is hugely expensive. It takes so much energy to remove the salt from seawater it's hard to believe. The most efficient ways, involve prefiltering, then forcing the water through expensive reverse osmosis filters at hundreds of psi. It takes a lot of electricity to get that pressure, and a byproduct is the high salt brine that then has to be diluted with more salt water, and pumped out into the ocean to a distance that it will not have a noticeable effect on wildlife. If fusion power is ever developed on a scale that has been promised for many years, the issue will be over, along with the energy problems etc. The problem is it seems to always be X years in the future, where X never gets smaller.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 01:07:47 -0700</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[Lots of talk about &quot;we&quot; can do this and &quot;we&quot; can do that. No, &quot;we&quot; can't, because &quot;we&quot; people in the developed countries who have money give it to the poor starving masses in the less developed countries, which is a &quot;nice&quot; thing to do, but there's a catch-22. Among the world's billion-plus-in-population-and-growing-astronomically-Islamic-culture/religion/law-countries, &quot;our&quot; foreign aid goes to governments who pay their families to have AS MANY CHILDREN AS POSSIBLE. Demographics overrules democracies. So cheap immigrant labor is sent to democratic countries who use the BC pill because those countries on the pill can't function with just their own population. Our social security payments will be paid by future foreign immigrants who may turn around and abolish soc sec for non-Moslems, democratically of course. Sharia law for all is the agenda of Islam and all Moslems have no right to question it once it is in power, and at this (birth)rate it will be.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[kowsmic@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 00:48:55 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Al Gore in drag?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[What's next... &quot;The Sky is Falling&quot; ? Yet another alarmist, half baked article preaching gloom and doom. Why am I reminded of Al Gore? Someone sees a potential way to scare the public through scientifically inconclusive data, then makes billions simply by spreading the word (fear?). If the article had at least been titled &quot;Why Susan Leal and Peter Rogers think we're running out of water&quot;, it may have been more respectable. As long as individuals stand to gain large profits from their message, I have to consider the fact that they are trying to sell me snake oil.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[ddferrari]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 20:52:05 -0700</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[The population explosion is a big problem, but this idea of water being 'used' is an outright lie. It seems to me that those people behind this idea want to get everyone, not just bought into, but actively seeking for a price to be put on water, the same way we are now going to face taxes on carbon. There is no good reason to tax carbon, we all already pay a high price for our energy use, but that's life - isn't it? The only water that can be classed as 'used', is the water we have shot into space. Apart from that the water is still here. Perhaps the next book will be titled 'Running Out of Air'? If it is I want royalties.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[12312332123]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:25:08 -0700</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[OMG!  Everything is a global crisis!I'm so glad I don't have to live under the constant stress caused by yet another arrogant delusion.Doolittle, you're the chief idiot.  Start living in reality and check the facts.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[bbguy]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:07:52 -0700</pubDate>
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