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        <title><![CDATA[RE: US high-tech manufacturing base erosion breaks 'chain of experience']]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA['msds' with the &quot;Canadian perpsective&quot; has hit the nail on the head: the problem is not &quot;free trade&quot;, it is not NAFTA or the like, it is the very UNFREE trade being subsidized by the dishonest Chinese monetary policy of keeping the Yuan (or RMB) at an artificially low exchange rate.It was incredibly stupid and wicked for President Bush to push for accepting China into WTO while they were still carrying out this policy. Now that that precedent has been set, even the recent announcement of a very slight rise was very hard to get, it was like pulling teeth. And it is clearly still not enough!Until China practices free market principles with the price of their own currency, they have no place in the WTO, they should be punished with tariffs and the like just like any other protectionist.That said, let's not forget that the high tech boom in America was not bought by purely free-market principles either. Rather, leaders in both government and industry realized the need to maintain a sound knowledge/skill base by keeping people with valuable skills employed.A major example: the &quot;space race&quot; kept all the various skills necessary to build and maintain a ballistic missile fleet from atrophying by employing the same people in the space race.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:33:33 -0700</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[I'd like to comment from a northern (Canadian) perspective. First, from all I can tell the USA still makes more than half of the world's manufactured goods, and most of these are high value added / high tech goods, not dollar store items. Canada heard the same kind of hollowing out comments before NFTA and the sky didn't fall, though there was a lot of restructuring. Instead of protectionism, which will block the importing of innovation from other countries as well as high growth export markets, it would be better to emphasize science and engineering education. Keeping capital markets working efficiently helps. The RMB appears to be undervalued and a gradual rise would benefit both China and the USA also since China needs exports from the USA and China needs to recycle their USD holdings.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 14:06:09 -0700</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[&quot;It was protectionism that actually caused the great depression. &quot;No, that was caused by trying to cut government spending when the economy was already staggering.&quot;When we &quot;tax&quot; imports, other nations will &quot;tax&quot; our exports.&quot;Let them.  Other countries like  Sweden protect their exports and the sky doesn't fall.&quot;Loss of the farm exports what what changed the 1929 recession into the 1930's depression.&quot;No, I don't think so.   America grows most of the world's grain.   I don't see anybody else stepping up to replace that.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Jkirk3279]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 07:28:31 -0700</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[&quot;Groves? remedy to this imbalance? He recommends a tax on products produced overseas, with the funds applied to scaling domestic operations.&quot;Absolutely.   Countries that protect their manufacturing sector from Chinese junk are better off.Implement tariffs to protect American jobs, gradually.   Walmart will scream; ignore them.  Tariffs won't put them out of business.Use the money to implement high-tech jobs here in America.   Jobs like building Concentrating Solar Power stations that simply CAN'T be outsourced.We use that energy to transition to electric vehicles and wean ourselves off oil for good.When we aren't paying Trillions to buy foreign oil we can balance our books and pay back China !]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Jkirk3279]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 07:00:39 -0700</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[He is both right and wrong.Right, we have sent too much overseas. We need to seriously retool America. This time with more automation. We need some skilled metallurgists and new materials people. We need to get competitive with the rest of the world. We need to stop the idle dream of &quot;Knowledge Workers&quot;. This is based on copyright and patent abuse of the rest of the world. It only takes one medium sized nation to say &quot;NO&quot; for the whole house of cards to come crashing down. In the final analysis, it is what we can sell that counts.Mr. Grove is wrong about what to do about it. It was protectionism that actually caused the great depression. When we &quot;tax&quot; imports, other nations will &quot;tax&quot; our exports. Loss of the farm exports what what changed the 1929 recession into the 1930's depression. I don't want to have us experience another 10 to 20 year depression. We need to expand manufacturing. Farming stopped being the major income source for the Uninted States in the early 1900's, but it remains vitally important today. Manufacturing was kicked out by tax systems and incentives to relocate to &quot;poor&quot; countries. A Knowledge based economy will always follow the manufacturing. It has to. The knowledge based economy exists only to support the manufacturing. The US and it's corporate governance have been short sighted and stupid economically.We need to fix it.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[YetAnotherBob]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:35:34 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Ironic...]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-3197-19993]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[...coming from one of the chief advocates of the unlimited issuing of H-1B visas to price American engineering talent out of the market.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[JohnMcGrew@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 13:23:53 -0700</pubDate>
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        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-3197-19975]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[It's worse than that.  The key to most manufacturing is a staff of foremen who know how to make things.  The labor base in this country now is so soft, so lacking in people who are used to making things for themselves with their own hands that we are doomed.  The property tax nationwide which funds our public schools has been savaged by liberal give away public service union wages and benefits. This funding method has been in crisis for years forcing schools to cut shop classes and at best substituting useless computer based instruction in place of the enormously effective mentoring of a good hands-on shop class teacher.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[fw32]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 10:38:21 -0700</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[I am in complete agreement with Groves.Moreover, we, the US, should:o Eliminate NAFTA, CAFTA, and the pending Free trade agreement with South Koreao Set a sliding tariff on target Industry sector producto Redistribute tariff tax to manufacturing incubatorso Mandate that American corporations must employee 100% Americans by a future phase-in date, graduated o Eliminate foreign tax sheltered laborFree Trade is not FREE.  We have an unprecedented trade deficit with China.There is NO way to return manufacturing jobs to American soil unless we take the above steps.Every time you buy goods at Walmart, for product made in China your money flows out of our Country and trickles down the Chinese economy, not ours.A self-sufficient America is a healthy America.God Bless America.Dietrich T. Schmitz]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[D T Schmitz]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 05:40:03 -0700</pubDate>
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