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        <title><![CDATA[CO2 Ocean Recycling Using Wave-Driven Ocean Pumps]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-1656-71869]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=c3XwOs6jz5oSimilar idea but without sending the warm water down and most importantly it has potential to reduce atmospheric CO2 concentration.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[dodawunschi]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 09:51:16 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Don't be too narrow sighted]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Hurricanes are heat pumps. When there is excess heat on the planet, the waters tend to warm at the surface. If you cool the water, then you reduce the intensity of wind storms created by the circulating air. The problem is, that if you move the heat elsewhere, what environmental effects do you create elsewhere? What wildlife do you cause problems for (including coral)?What would the environmental effects of operating and powering those pumps be?It sounds more like we are seeing the effects of the acquisition of a research grant that could qualify fo the William Proxmire's Golden Fleece Award.The reported research doesn't even suggest all the problems that pumping that water would cause - if it were reasonably possible.I'd suggest research into keeping the excess heat from even reaching the earth. That research has already been started.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[FreeloaderFred]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 07:10:10 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Busting hurricanes with ocean cooling pumps]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[This seems like a risky weather modification possibility...Creating even a small change in the natural convection of the earths temperature via oceans currents drastically affects life over the whole planet..I would think a filter half way between the earth and sun could be controlled in the summer period to tweak power balancethe heat absorption.. a disk rotating at a rate of 1 cycle every two years, with a controlled variable diameter to increase or lessen the heating effect..]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[osoz]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 02:22:38 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Busting hurricanes with ocean cooling pumps]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-1656-25415]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Warm water sinking down..??Is that a new law of nature.??]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 01:42:51 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Busting hurricanes with ocean cooling pumps]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-1656-22922]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[A layman's suggestion: There was an article linking the reduced incidence of hurricanes in the Atlantic during 2006 (as compared to the disastrous experiences of 2004 and 2005) to the increase in sand storms coming off the Sahara Desert during 2006 and their subsequent cooling effect on the waters of the Atlantic that either prevented or reduced the intensity of hurricanes that year. There is also quite a bit of research on the subject (e.g.: http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/archive.html?year=2009&amp;month=06 ). The suggestion here is if we were to load up &quot;a number&quot; of airplanes with sand or &quot;dust&quot; and dispersed it in front of tropical depressions to cool the waters before they have the opportunity to intensify, could this be a more environmentally-friendly approach to mitigating the worst of these killer storms? Just a suggestion that might be worthy of study by our climatologists ...Jeff SmithBrandon FL]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[jwsmith708]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 10:43:05 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Busting hurricanes with ocean cooling pumps]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Good idea, will this help in the Gulf when a hurricane hits all of that oil. Where will the oil be deposited? and on whom.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[wileypage]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 17:43:05 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Busting hurricanes with ocean cooling pumps]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[This seems like a risky weather modification possibility...Creating even a small change in the natural convection of the earths temperature via oceans currents drastically affects life over the whole planet..I would think a filter half way between the earth and sun could be controlled in the summer period to tweak the heat absorption.. a disk rotating at a rate of 1 cycle every two years, with a controlled variable diameter to increase or lessen the heating effect..So far the earth seems to be regulating it's temperature by way of volcanic eruptions leading to minor nuclear winter affects, lessening the global warming...The affects will be drastic no matter what  / nothing is done..all must be done with great cane as even minor variations can have dire affect..]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 16:05:21 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Busting hurricanes with ocean cooling pumps]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[My guess is it will not work, or will work minimally, as the effective height of the column of less dense warm water will counterbalance the addition by wave action. i.e. you will need waves of over height 'x' to work with temperature difference 'y', for each particular ring / skirt geometry.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:12:14 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Busting Hurricanes with self-powered ocean currents.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[There are any number of ways to engineer such a system. It's not a new concept, and it can definitely be made to work.Yes, it changes a 'natural' phenomena...so did building cities for millions of people along the coasts.The easiest protection from hurricanes would have been to avoid insuring property in hurricane zones.I am rather tired of the argument about interfering with 'natural events.&quot;Such interfering is what Life does. That's Life's 'natural process.&quot;I'd go further.I think we should cool the surface of the entire Caribbean using deep Pacific Ocean water.This could reduce the current ecosystem damage due to high water temperatures, reduce the impact of tropical storms, provide power and food for Central America, and has the potential to moderate global climate.It's cheap, fast, easy, profitable too!(US$10 billion, 7 years, existing tech provides power &amp; food.)]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[wizoddg]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:22:40 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Busting hurricanes with ocean cooling pumps]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I had the same thought as WSHBaker. Yes, all that warm watr piling up in the ring will push downward, but the cold water displaced at the bottom of the skirt has no reason to rise. And you are dealing with an isolated system, if &quot;the system&quot; is the several cubic niles of water surrounding the array of rings.  So I see no heat gain or loss in that system, other than the constant insolation.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:14:54 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Busting hurricanes with ocean cooling pumps]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[It's not an isolated system.  Y'all kill me, trying to shoot down the work of a trained climatologist with rote assumptions.  I think the Law of Gravity is at work here.  The work of the pump isn't driven by heating and cooling, it's driven by wave action.  The First Law of Thermodynamics is mostly irrelevant here.Jeez, and I'm not even a scientist.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[DaveDonaldson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:46:13 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Busting hurricanes with ocean cooling pumps]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Does the first Law of Thermodynamics neutralise this pipe dream?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[elderlybloke]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:55:09 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Busting hurricanes with ocean cooling pumps]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[@WSHbaker, you have shot down a good idea with a halfway thought out objection.  What happens when several tons of water land on top of something, in this case more water?  It displaces whatever it lands on.  Water at the top displaces the water that it lands on and since the sleeves keep the water from displacing out from under the new water, it has to go somewhere.  It can't go up and it can't go out; where will it go, thanks to gravity and the fact that water cannot be compressed very much?  Oh, and since water seeks the lowest level, it won't surge up and out of the tubes.  It is more than heavy enough to push the water out the bottom of the tube, regardless of temperature.It doesn't have to be efficient and it doesn't have to displace pound for pound.  It just has to be relentless, like waves.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:58:08 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Busting hurricanes with ocean cooling pumps]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[There is also the question of what this idea would do to the food chains in the ocean. For the most part food chains depend on cool water rising and warm water sinking. This food chains tend to be balanced by the seasons and the weather. If you disrupt their normal flow just what will happen to the present food chains? They could deteriorate, they could improve and what if they deteriorate or improve too much. What will that do to our food supplies? What will it do to our weather? And those are only the major factors, what about minor factors?At most they should be tested over a relatively small area and they should be set-up so they could quickly be deactivated. Also what would happen to the environment if they were destroyed and their components were released to travel with the currents?As MichP stated, &quot;I'd like to see the Environmental Impact Statement on that one.&quot;]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[shanedr]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:21:05 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Busting hurricanes with ocean cooling pumps]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[If I recall correctly cold and cooler water is denser than warm and warmer water and sinks below the warm and warmer. With the mixture of warmer water from the surface with the cooler water from the discharge of the &quot;ring pump&quot; the mixture will still be below the warmer top of the sea and thus of little cooling effect on the surface IF ANY&gt;Sounds to me to be a Vast Project based on a Half Vast idea!]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:01:16 -0800</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[mblock @ 2:  And thanks for repeating, almost word for word, the explanation that Mr. Caldeira gave in the video.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[DaveDonaldson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:29:36 -0800</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[Where I live in North Carolina, we get our fair share of hurricanes.  They are absolutely necessary to replenish the aquifers, particularly in the eastern part of the state.  When we went a few years without one a while ago, wells and rivers were running dry around the region.  I see the law of unintended consequences working hard on this one.If it leaves the rain but cuts the wind, fine.  Otherwise, leave things as they are.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[DaveDonaldson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:26:59 -0800</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[While this sounds like a good way to lessen the impact of hurricanes yet still allowing them to occur, I wonder about the impact to what is an essentially natural phenomenon. Storms and hurricanes are destructive, yes, but as always with the ecosystem, such activities can also be part of a system of removal and renewal.I sympathize with those who have lost lives or property to such natural disasters but I often wonder if we don't bring this amount of ruin upon ourselves by stubbornly clinging to living in places where the probability of such weather is higher and loss to the elements more likely. For instance, New Orleans is a city that exists only because the ocean has been barricaded. The city itself is mostly below sea level. Yet, instead of admitting that living there poses a higher risk than living further away from the shore and above sea level, and determining it might be better altogether to relocate somewhere else,we decide there is no way we could possibly leave a particular chunk of ground, even if it will cost more to rebuild than to pick up and go elsewhere.Also, I am curious about the rings impact on shipping. What will happen if a ship moves through a group of rings? Will the rings somehow damage the ship or be towed somewhere where they are no longer effective and may cause a different problem somewhere else. What impact would their be on the marine life? Any chance of animals being trapped or else making the ring their home and decreasing its effectiveness?Ken Caldera is to be commended for finding a relatively simple solution to a human problem. But I think we need to be very certain that the justification for deploying it balances the needs of all of the ecosystem, not just people.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Marketing@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:55:56 -0800</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[This is simply a new video dramatizing this scientist's rather old, but brilliant, idea. The Super Freakonomics (Gobal Cooling) book details his work and the Gates and ex-Microsoft CTO funding. You can read much of it online at Amazon, starting around page 270. I hope the video made it clear (I have no sound) that these pumps are simply giant inner tubes, with 600+ foot skirts. They have no moving parts or polluting fuel. Waves of warm surface water simply pass over one side. This makes them weaker, so less of them pass over the opposite side. The regular addition of trapped warm surface water pushes down the water inside the skirt. The added volume of more and more water is all it takes to push the skirt-trapped water down and eventually out the bottom, where it mixes with the cold water below. It may take many of these pumps, but thus will take away the warm water hurricanes need. I only question how you retrieve the pumps and what happens when ships encounter them? The same section of the book discusses other equally and cheap solutions for hurricane and global warming. By the way, do you know that several planets and a moon, which obviously lack man-made global warming, are warming faster than we are? It seems that the Sun, and shifts in the Earth's rotation, are the main causes of our probably temporary global warming (see the book and a Climategate post at my www.QuickBooks-Blog.com).]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[mblock@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:25:24 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Side Effects?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I'd like to see the Environmental Impact Statement on that one.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[MichP]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:20:31 -0800</pubDate>
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