Yippidee-do we have taken the model of the "bridge to nowhere" and extrapolated it into an expensive train to nowhere. I know look at the map there is a starting place and an ending place. I live in Washington State and we have a great local rail system that starts in downtown Seattle and takes you to the airport, almost. It stops at least a quarter mile from the airport. Interestingly the airport was there befor the rail system and the airport did not move. Boy, I am sure impressed-not!Three questions at least fog this idea:
1. How do you get to the train?
2. How do you get from the destination station to where you really want to go?
3. And how much is it going to cost each passenger and maybe more importantly, how much is it going to cost each non-passenger to subsidise this?
Oh yes where are these trains going to be built? Since Europe and Asia is so far in front of us in this I guess we will have to rely on them to build the trains and provide the jobs. Europe was also ahead of us with the SST, Supper Sonic Transport, but how many are flying now?
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RE: US government kick-starts $8 billion in high-speed rail projects
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9th Feb 2010
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RE: US government kick-starts $8 billion in high-speed rail projects
Posted by MikeBytes@...
29th Jan 2010
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RE: US government kick-starts $8 billion in high-speed rail projects
I'm glad to hear that we're finally doing something about the sorry state of our trains (not to mention the sorry state of flying). Isn't it sad in how many areas we're forced to admit that Europe and Asia (etc) are kicking our ass? I want to see us back on top in healthcare, education, standard of living, happiness, longevity, infant mortality, science, etc, etc.
Posted by scott@...
29th Jan 2010
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RE: US government kick-starts $8 billion in high-speed rail projects
Sorry Scott, but building some fast, shiny new trains will do nothing to get us "back on top in healthcare, education, standard of living, happiness, longevity, infant mortality, science, etc, etc."
Schools are cutting back on expenses, and in many cases closing; people are homeless and starving; even my local law enforcement laid off some officers because of a "lack" of funds...and the government is going to throw eight BILLION dollars at trains?? This is so unnecessary it's ridiculous.
Aren't all these destinations already accessible by "regular" trains, buses and planes? How many different choices do we need? And sadly, a sizable percentage of Americans feel that they are "above" public transportation (other than flying) anyway.
So now I'll be able to get from Minneapolis to Chicago in four hours instead of eight -whoopie!Or, I could just book the 45 minute flight for $99 r/t, which, after checking Amtrak's rates, was about the same.
This is obviously about money, not what's best for this country. Looks like the lobbyists and Washington DC have raped us again.
P.S. I completely agree with MikeBytes as well.
Schools are cutting back on expenses, and in many cases closing; people are homeless and starving; even my local law enforcement laid off some officers because of a "lack" of funds...and the government is going to throw eight BILLION dollars at trains?? This is so unnecessary it's ridiculous.
Aren't all these destinations already accessible by "regular" trains, buses and planes? How many different choices do we need? And sadly, a sizable percentage of Americans feel that they are "above" public transportation (other than flying) anyway.
So now I'll be able to get from Minneapolis to Chicago in four hours instead of eight -whoopie!Or, I could just book the 45 minute flight for $99 r/t, which, after checking Amtrak's rates, was about the same.
This is obviously about money, not what's best for this country. Looks like the lobbyists and Washington DC have raped us again.
P.S. I completely agree with MikeBytes as well.
Posted by ddferrari
30th Jan 2010
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Supportable transportation
Who will fund the maintenance of these pie-in-the-sky projects? More money down a rathole or will they be parked next to the Concordes? Interesting that these are all for people transportation because of the high value of time. But then, we have to get in our cars and wait two hours in traffic to get home from the train station.
Posted by 3dguru
30th Jan 2010
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LOCAL TRANSPORTATION NEEDED !!!
For a fraction of this cost, the BART system in the Bay Area
could be finished, with links to Silicon Valley, Livermore, Tracy
and the Central Valley. It was supposed to ring the Bay and
extend up the Peninsula but Santa Clara and San Mateo
counties opted out way back when.
Alameda County and other counties where BART has been
running from day one are paying a sales tax premium that
brings our local sales tax up to 9.75% with NO END IN SIGHT!!!
ALL residents that do business here subsidize this system that
carries thousands of people daily to work . . . how much do you
expect will be extorted to pay for this boondoggle and where
will the money come from to maintain it??
Put the money where it is MOST NEEDED, getting people from
home to work everyday . . . this sure does NOT look anything
like that!!!
could be finished, with links to Silicon Valley, Livermore, Tracy
and the Central Valley. It was supposed to ring the Bay and
extend up the Peninsula but Santa Clara and San Mateo
counties opted out way back when.
Alameda County and other counties where BART has been
running from day one are paying a sales tax premium that
brings our local sales tax up to 9.75% with NO END IN SIGHT!!!
ALL residents that do business here subsidize this system that
carries thousands of people daily to work . . . how much do you
expect will be extorted to pay for this boondoggle and where
will the money come from to maintain it??
Put the money where it is MOST NEEDED, getting people from
home to work everyday . . . this sure does NOT look anything
like that!!!
Posted by acad2kman
31st Jan 2010
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RE: US government kick-starts $8 billion in high-speed rail projects
Gee..after killing the railroads by permitting the trucking industry to destroy the freeways whilst paying a token towards repairs--knowing full well that the only transport cheaper than rail is by water (perhaps zeppelins could compete, but on stupid accident caused by a company using ROCKET FUEL! to paint their lighter-than-air craft, pretty much destroyed the industry before it got started,) now the government is going to give taxpayer money away to revive an industry that the government destroyed in the first place!
If commercial highway users paid their actual costs of using the roads, rail would never have died, and we'd have had high=-speed rail from coast to coast back in the late '60's.
Seems that large industries are always profiting off of the taxpayers.
Of course, spreading huge amounts of money around a large number of states is a great way to guarantee that the Congress approves it--whether it makes sense or not!
If commercial highway users paid their actual costs of using the roads, rail would never have died, and we'd have had high=-speed rail from coast to coast back in the late '60's.
Seems that large industries are always profiting off of the taxpayers.
Of course, spreading huge amounts of money around a large number of states is a great way to guarantee that the Congress approves it--whether it makes sense or not!
Posted by wizoddg
9th Feb 2010
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Interstates: Military roads
Interstates are federally funded because they're intended for military transport. If it wasn't for that commitment they would never have happened.
If the military made a similar commitment to rail, the problem would go away, virtually overnight.
If the military made a similar commitment to rail, the problem would go away, virtually overnight.
Posted by ajb2@...
21st Feb 2010