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        <title><![CDATA[Where are the real entrepenuers]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-12790-88467]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Unfortunately for consumers the oil companies have a long history of buying up most inventions that would compromise their monopoly business. They buy the patents and sit on them. Boy do I wish there were a list of what exactly they are sitting on and I'm sure what ever it is it will easily replace the obsolete oil. Some entrepenuer with foresight should get behind the alternative energies and force the obsolete to become obsolete.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[JHarpster]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 23:07:44 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[problem with definitions]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I have been reading Nelder's columns for a while.  They all boil down to this:  1. Conventional crude resources are playing out(agreed).  2. We must transition to something else or we are in big trouble(sort of agreed). 3.  And then he's  off to the races with smart grids, and wind and solar, blah, blah, blah.My gripe with Nelder starts with item 2. He acts as if we haven't started to transition away.  But we are transitioning away from conventional crude to other hydrocarbons.  But he doesn't like that and insists that non-traditional hydrocarbons just don't count.  And new cost-effective production and refining techniques don't count either.  Nothing counts if it's a hydrocarbon.  The only thing that counts as a transition is his preferred wind-solar-smartgrid mode.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Jardinero1]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:57:41 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[government gets out of the way?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[here in america, the oil companies are the government.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[affordablecomputerguy@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 22:20:20 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Didn't say it did.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[My little piece was a comment on the main article.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[affordablecomputerguy@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 22:16:41 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[saudi oil production vs US]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[We won't produce more oil, but we'll always consume more - and thereby send our trillions to the Ssudis who are the Wahabis to underwrite the Jihadis, worldwide.Boy, are we dumb.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 22:15:03 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I quit reading when I got to ...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[... abiotic oil.  I've never seen any credible evidence for that.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[riverat1]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:21:42 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[We already have enough for two hundred years and it ....]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Control in the name of the fake global warming scheme, to control production which they do and limit production by creating artificial shortages. There by ripping us off at the pump for a toxic waste by-product that can't be put into the ground so they burn it in our cars for us to breathe. Peak oil is a sham and always has been because the planet produces oil abiotically it's not from Deano the dinosaur leaving his body behind for us to find.We already have enough oil for two hundred years and it sits in Alaska near Prudoe Bay. This field is much bigger than any Saudi field out there. Ask Linsey Williams the source of the info which is right from the horses mouth, the oil execs. This field is being shut down so to create control over the market and artificial bantering to keep us occupied. The oil companies could easily go back to one dollar a gallon gas. Tell the oil companies what you think or vote with your dollar and stop the cards. We are not cattle to be milked at your convience nor are we going to put up with this out dated archaic technology thats keeping us in bondage while they ruin the planet as they claim they are saving it with illegal carbon taxes. High gas prices means they can limit our movement and keep us down. I think this article looks great but I think your rearranging deck chairs on the Titannic. We need the hidden fields opened up for production not false hope.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[JHarpster]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 14:57:03 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Oil from the US]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Where did our 6.225 mb/d go?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff2011]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 14:08:58 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Oil is NOT a problem. Energy is NOT a problem. Our leadership is a problem.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[First, the basic premise of this article, as with the vast majority of resource projection pieces is that what we have available is limited to the outer few miles of the Earth.This is not and has not been true for over 40 years.Had we bothered, we could now be living in an era of nearly limitless energy...we proved that we could collect solar power in space and transmit it to the Earth in 1975. Had we done so, the USA could now be completely free of hydrocarbon fuels, with access to thousands of times our entire civilization's energy use on a daily basis.We did not. And we didn't primarily to protect the power and control of those in possession of 'scarce' resources. To protect a created scarcity used to control people.Energy is the single limiting factor of life. While the Sun is not 'infinite' it is, for the next few hundred years, limitless so far as human needs are  concerned. Having that energy makes ALL other scarcities artificial and needless.Hydrocarbons aren't particularly rare on Earth, and there are literally hundreds of thousands of Earth masses of hydrocarbons available within our reach within the Solar System. Burning them for fuel a uses for such compounds.Humans no longer live in a world of scarcity--save when we CHOOSE! This has been true for decades, and carefully ignored by our 'leadership' so that they might retain the trappings of power and wealth that their ancestors assumed generations ago when they first took control of the lives of others by force.We live in a universe of abundance. Far, far more energy is within our reach than our species has used in 3 million years--we need only harvest and utilize what is within our grasp.The economics of abundance is very, very different from the economics of scarcity...the beginning of the change is that no currency has any intrinsic value. Since scarcity is a fiction, we can and should recycle all resources--the limiting factor has been energy and will, not ability. Since scarcity is a fiction, hoarding of resources is an anti-social act at odds with the interests of the species...and should not be tolerated.With energy, anything the Universe doesn't deny, becomes possible. The problems of scarcity--the 'I win, someone must lose' zero-sum game assumption is dead. There is enough of everything for everyone to have their needs met at a very high level, provided only that we have the will to do so. Provided we have outgrown our need for dominance games and have matured slightly to the point of working together as a group to achieve the kinds of tasks which we are uniquely capable.Hydrocarbons are a stepping stone to get us off the planet and accessing the Sun's tremendous energy...there is no need or even desire for us to continue using such valuable resources in such an inefficient and filthy manner to generate energy we can easily collect much more cheaply and cleanly.Over the next 7-12 years, the society we have based upon scarcity of resources, which has served us poorly for over 200 generations, will be replaced with a society based upon abundance--a base so distant from our notions of the world today, that it is literally inconceivable to the vast majority of adults today.This change will happen, regardless of the many people and groups who will attempt to prevent the change in order to secure themselves of the resources they think scarce, and the power they believe is to be had by controlling 'scarce' resources.The world of 2030 will not work or look like the world of 2015, and failure to adapt will, as usual, be fatal.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 08:26:06 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Is Chris Smarter than all those in IEA put together? Doubt it!]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Only Steve Jobs had greater arrogance than Chris Nelder does and he died while hallucinating about Samsung stealing Cell Technology Samsung had developed years before helping Apple make their 1st cell phone.This won't be the first time Chris gets has gotten his nose rubbed in another &quot;Missed Prediction&quot; on the future of Oil as compared to IEA. So don't expect him to take you up on that bet any time soon. But... you can bet that he will indeed have dug up something new to be Hyperbolic and Negative about by then! ;-P]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[KronJohn]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 18:28:35 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[A Genuinely Uber Pessimistic (Glass is only Half Full) Look US Oil Future!]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I guess there are still those in this World, who can only see the Future of Oil in our Glass as only ever being HALF FULL!!! ....Chris Nelder is one of those. Of course his writing career depends on no glass ever being full in this World! ;-PThe industry is at a point now, where it's finally saying, &quot;hey.... those rocks in our own backyard have a ton of energy hidden in them if we just took a better look at getting it out&quot;. Canada seems to be the only country on earth to have realized that years before we did. While we waste time looking for every reason not to develop our own resources and instead dwell on spending more money on foreign oil first and making them richer.Our Future Lies in Deep Waters in Natural Gas!!!His point on Natural Gas reserves and it's not producing as much energy as oil, is just as  ludicrous and pessimistic. There again we're running in last place to foreign oil companies spending more money on developing the means to extract, compress and store it more economically.  Samsung right now (built largest Offshore Oil Platforms) is in a 1st ever venture in co-operation with Royal Dutch Shell. They will be forming the hull of a vessel 6 Times the weight class of a Nimitz Class Carrier to compress and store offshore Natural Gas. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-19/shell-leads-lng-competitors-out-to-sea-with-biggest-ship-energy.htmlThey are designing and building this  first Compressed Natural Gas Storage Facility on the planet, at a cost of $55 Billion Dollars (there's profit in it's future or they wouldn't be doing it). That'll be capable of producing and storing a massive amount of LNG for the Japanese market. Where cleaner burning natural gas is used more widely than any place in the World for years now! ......and yet this author attempts to minimize the impact of the future of Natural Gas in itself, as less valuable than Crude Oil and foreign at that. But pulled from the bottom of the ocean, it's just as valuable as the oil Samsung is again about to be pulling up out of the deep oceans, in conjunction with some Smarter Foreign Countries and Oil Companies!http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-11-01/shell-profit-rises-2-dot-3-percent-on-income-from-liquefied-natural-gas Royal Dutch Shell's profits are up, despite the fact that this will be the first year they'll be pumping more Natural Gas, than Crude Oil for this year!!! ......so therefore I think your &quot;Glass is only Half Full&quot; pessimistic scenario is really more half full of hyperbolic FUD and misinformation than truth. This DumbPlanet forecast, rather than looking at the whole Brighter Picture that's possible, is a rather narrow look at it. If we'd (like Royal Dutch Shell) took the time to look around our own deep water back yard and pessimistic view of Natural Gas hidden resources laying just out of our ignorant reach. All because of People like you... always looking for the negatives to write about. Always ever seeing our glass as being only half full, instead of searching for ways to fill it up instead! ......excluding LNG is yours and our country's biggest mistake!]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:07:23 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Venezuela]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[How does Venezuela fit in this Wahabi model of yours?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[sboverie]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 12:39:29 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Future of Renewable Energy]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I agree with the idea that if the cost of installing solar was lower then everyone would be able to reduce their energy needs on fossile fuels.  This would be a better step towards energy independance .]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[sboverie]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 12:34:40 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[oil]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Chris, did you really write this entire gigantic article? Wow!!You did miss the point lost to most freedom loving people - the Wahabis (saudi religious dictators) have an agenda to spread their ferocious form of Islam throughout the entire world. The money we send them each and every minute (we say, &quot;Fill'er up!) is converted to mosque building, school building, budgetary support for militant (jihadist) groups here, in Europe, and everywhere. It's a bit like that idea - every system contains the tools of its destruction, it's called dialectical materialism.Similar to the idea that the oh so properous fossil fuel &quot;industry&quot; will kill off all life before Nuclear Winter.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[affordablecomputerguy@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:25:23 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Interesting discussion]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Although Nelder takes his usual self-righteous tone, calling everyone else a hype artist, his discussion does raise valuable concerns about IEA's new projection.  Back when Peak Oil advocates were arguing more consistently over crude oil production, I performed an expert elicitation using techniques developed for the nuclear waste disposal program in the U. S. I concluded that the uncertainties were such that the Peak of global oil production would most likely occur after 2005 (when I did the analysis) and before 2060.  My best estimate at the time was 2018, which is in reasonable accord with Mr. Nelder's 2015, given the very large uncertainties that actually exist.  At about the same time, I applied the famous Hubbert curve to U. S. crude production as if I were making a prediction each year since 1879.  When the curve gave a real answer (sometimes it did not), the prediction was consistently that the peak was past or would happen in less than ten years.  Even after the peak, the peak year continues to slide outward in time as a consequence of the asymmetry of the production history.  No other predictive model that I am aware of has been subjected to such an analysis.  I would suggest that most predictions of the future I have read do not even consider whether their prediction is uncertain, and the actual future is likely to lie within the range of the hotly defended prognostications of the pundits. Humans are addicted to energy, and they will get the cheapest street fix they can.  They will also argue that their preferred energy source is the ultimate answer.  Advocates of crash programs to convert to renewables should beware that many crash programs do just that - crash.  There is an Arab proverb that goes something like, &quot;If you think the problem will be solved in your lifetime, you have not taken on a big enough challenge.&quot;  The energy transition we are in does not suffer this flaw. I personally have seen enough progress in the past 40 years that, despite the messy complications of capitalism and global and national politics, I have some faith that we will make that transition without the dire consequences of the Club of Rome predictions, but not without some hardship.  We certainly will not arrive there without there being more pious and ardent proclamations from pundits like Mr. Nelder.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[JeremyBoak]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:11:00 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[plastic recycling technology]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[As the price of raw material rising, plastic recycling is more and more important, how to reduce the plastic recycling cost is also a important part, for this purpose,  Harden Industries Ltd manufacture series environmental protection machine, maybe is a good choice for plastic recycling business.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[juliais]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 00:32:08 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Your off-topic implication...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[...that marijuana causes cognitive difficulty is silly and wrong, as is the supposition that now legal somewhere, *everybody* will start....so, if crystal meth was suddenly legal in your state, you think YOU would start up with it?! Lay off the flouride and aluminum, jon6er, and try to stay on topic. Thank you.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[hippiekarl]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 21:48:44 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Your contradictions don't hold up]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The &quot;yellow light&quot; started blinking long before the artificial oil shocks of the 1973 Yom Kippur war. I remember reading articles in the '60s that pointed to increasing reliance on oil imports by the US. But the truth is that despite the dire outlook of the time, global oil reserves have increased significantly since then because of better technology. Back then according to the &quot;Club of Rome&quot; predictions of rising shortages in all commodities, by 2000 we were supposed to all be dying of famine in a hopelessly polluted world. Somehow it just never happened, which the greens today always overlook. You talk about learning from the past, but somehow the greens never do.Fossil fuel producers don't have nearly the profit margins other industries have. It's consistently under 10%, which is puny compared to Apple and other high tech companies. They make a lot of money in absolute terms because energy is the biggest business on the planet, not because they are forcing us to pay artificially high prices. Besides, even if they did, isn't this a good thing? How often do you hear greens clamor for the government to raise prices artificially high through taxation? You seem to be arguing on the one hand that energy companies are ripping us off with artificially high prices while on the other hand saying that everybody is &quot;failing to address the difficulties of this transition&quot;. You make claims without citing any examples that the oil companies artificially lower prices anytime alternatives threaten them. Have you been to the gas pump, in say, the last 10 years????Look at economic history. Rising prices are the one thing that effectively causes the transition to new technologies. Mr. Neider seems to think that there is an absolute cap on what consumers will pay. But back in the '60s, nobody would *ever* have paid as much as 35 cents per gallon. That's about $2.50 today, and yet everybody today would be quite happy with that price. The truth is that our cars are much more efficient today, and people make other adjustments.The history of commodity depletion is that we never somehow actually do fall off that cliff. Centuries ago Europe faced a shortage of wood to heat its homes, but managed to develop coal mining with increasing technological sophistication (the steam engine was originally developed to pump water out of coal mines). In the 1850s the world was running out of whale oil to light its lamps. First kerosene was developed as a substitute, and then electric lighting was invented. People who see continual disaster always lurking around the corner ignore history and are actually the ones who most easily fall prey to their emotions.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[zackers]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:21:12 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Great Analysis]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Great job summarizing current EIA estimates. You guys at Smart Planet sure do a good job.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[EVsRoll]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:01:31 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Engineers have developed a variety of cheaper, more efficient technologies]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The development of cheaper onsite electricity generators has been largely neglected as governments have focussed on the requirements of the existing energy suppliers. Electrochemical energy conversion is twice as efficient as the combustion process, but cheaper alkaline fuel cells have received little backing. There may also be potential for small wind energy collectors, which operate in variable wind conditions, to provide cheaper onsite electricity.  Highly efficient drive trains developed by the electric vehicle industry have received no backing.  Proper evaluation and demonstration is needed of a variety of small scale energy technologies developed by innovative engineerng companies.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[fuelcellpower]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 04:49:22 -0800</pubDate>
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