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Q&A: The rebirth of the Occupy movement

Occupy hasn't gone anywhere! The corporatocracy is goin' DOWN!

so the same corporations that produced the goods you now claim to be giving away needs to be destroyed? Am I getting your point correct?

Nice article but it only reinforces what has gone on in the US for a long time before people rioted and looted stores run by small business owners. Communities are best supported by people inside the community and not some do-gooder coming in for a few days of camping and then moving on their next target. I am sure there are a lot of good intentions by several of the people in this article, but it will be the products made by the evil corporations that will be needed to rebuild these peoples lives. So enough of the press grabbing slogan chants and try to actually help someone without having strings attached to it.

I'm sure you haven't the capacity to think through your ignorant statement.

No mention of "corporations" in the article at all. Stupid knee-jerk response about "corporations" in the Comments.

Isn't Occupy the same group of people who recently bashed windows in Oakland? Try to destroy American businesses, costing jobs for regular folks and raising insurance rates for all. They are widely viewed as a bunch of unemployed trouble makers. It would not suprise anyone if they are found to be looting the very people they pretend to help.

Perhaps you should lay off the Faux News, Rush, Hannity, Coulter, etc... You know, detox from all the lies you have been feeding on for the past few years... The Occupy movement is about peaceful demonstration by the people to show dissatisfaction with corporate manipulation of government and laws that negatively impact the people (the people that government should be protecting from vulture capitalism and the failed Bush policies that led to the finacial meltdown).

of radicals bent on destroying that which the people of the country built.

There is nothing peaceful about the "occupy" movement, and there is no real agenda to make the country a better place. It's just a "movement" that democrats initiated to counter the "tea party" movement, but, occupy is mostly composed of phonies and radicals and law-breakers, the same type that can be found looting after a disaster.

Taken from the "Declaration of the Occupation"
http://www.nycga.net/resources/documents/declaration/

"To the people of the world,
We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power. Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone. To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal. Join us and make your voices heard!"

Gee.. They sure sound like a violent bunch of "phonies and radicals and law-breakers" Oh My!

"Phonies and radicals and law-breakers" Oh My!


"Phonies and radicals and law-breakers" Oh My!

I know adornoe, you can go with Dorthy to see the wizard!!! He might be able to give you a brain! *Gasp*

Yes, you too need to lay off the Faux News (Far from Balanced)... If you can't make it cold turkey, you can slowly ween yourself off the lies... Dedicate yourself to one hour of truth a day and slowly increase it day by day... You can do it adornoe!!! We will all rally behind you!!! You go Girl!!!

So, you are going to take the word of a radical group at face value? How naive; and stupid.

The occupy (bowel) movement, is nothing more than a fraud, set up by Obama and the democrats to try to counter the tea party movement. They have no other purpose than to be disruptive and violent if they don't get their way.

That declaration has no more value than the toilet paper that is likely was originally written on.

If you can take the word of those radicals at face value, then you will likely also fall for the speeches from Ahmadinejad and Castro and Chavez. Your heroes are probably the likes of Lenin and Stalin, and perhaps even Hitler, since, you are willing to believe anything that you read or hear.

How many TEA party protesters have been arrested in the thousands of protests they have held? 0

How many Occupiers were arrested in the few dozen city encampments last year? Hundreds.

How many robberies and rapes happened at TEA party protests in 2011? 0

How many robberies and rapes happened at Occupy camps last year? Dozens? Maybe more.

Lets look at 2 cities, Boston (considered a very peaceful Occupy camp) and Oakland (considered the most violent)

How much property damage was done to public and private property by TEA party protests in either city in 2011? $0.00

How much property damage was done to public and private property by the Occupy movement in Boston? They did over $100,000 worth of damage to the Rose Kennedy greenway with their camp.

Oakland. The damage was in the millions with vehicles, stores, restaurants and so much more burned and looted.

And people had the guts to call the TEA party radicals in this past election.

I applaud these people for what they are doing, but sadly they are in the minority among the many haters in the Occupy movement.

I think that both groups have a lot in common but have different focus. On one side, there is concern that the constitution was being ignored and on the other side that the big banks and other financial institutions got a free bail out from the tax payers.

The different approaches to protesting by the two groups is that one held ralleys for a few hours and another tried to make a sustained protest lasting for months. Comparing the crime done during either protest is not accurate because of the amount of time is different.

The constant problem with the Occupy movement was keeping violent people out. As you noted, this did not work. Several kinds of people were attracted to the Occupy movement and that included people who were using the protest as cover for their own intentions. The people who committed the violence and vandalism were the same folks who used the same tactics for the past 15 or so years (before Occupy was started). The characteristics of the vandalism was the same, a provocation followed by window smashing and fires.

I am sympathetic to the Tea Party and the Occupy movement but I disagree with forcing ideas onto people without giving respect to the "other "side. Our rights to privacy and protections from unreasonable search and siezure have been watered down since the middle of Clinton's administration. We also have allowed financial deregulation that let banks bet with customer's money and play games with LIBOR rates that hurt the smaller banks. TARP bailed out the major banks but failed to prevent the excesses that helped create the worst recession since the depression. There should not be any bank that is too big to fail and if the same banks create another crisis then the tax payers should not bail them out again.

It should be noted that the Dodd/Frank act has institutionalized and put a definition to banks fitting the term "too big to fail". Banks can now be designated a head of time as "too big to fail".

To the detriment of society.

The sad part of the whole mess is much of what the banks did, was and still is legal.

You will see very few people, if anyone at all, prosecuted for what happened.

...that if this is a sincere approach by "occupy" people, that they may have much more in common with Tea Party ideology than any other political party.

I do not speak for either the Tea Party or Occupy movement. That is my point is that there are differences but there are many agreements between the two groups, the main difference is the focus of the groups.

"... on the other side that the big banks and other financial institutions got a free bail out from the tax payers. ", is the same talking points used by democrats to demonize banks and financial institutions. Which makes it quite evident that, the "occupy" movement is nothing more than a group of stooges and useful idiots who were created by the democrats and Obama. And, it's quite interesting that, they were created after the Tea Party movement took off, which also points to the fact that, they were created by democrats and Obama to try to counter the tea party.

Think for a change.

Well said ....... Another measure - how effective have the two groups been? How many people has the Tea Party elected to public office at Federal, State, and local levels ? Many

Occupy ? not so much

That was kinda clueless.. The Tea Party is a political party (that actually has candidates that run on the party platform), Occupy is a movement of the people... You might as well have tried to feebly argue that Pepsi has sold millions of beverages and General Motors has sold none...

hand clearly showing up everywhere.

The tea party might approve or even suggest candidates for elections, but, they don't exist as a political party. I could go out and suggest that a person be accepted as a candidate, but, that doesn't make me a political party.

When you promote, fund, endorse, and rally to support candidacy you become a party. nuff said