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        <title><![CDATA[Powerful Presence?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The wonderfully young and idealistic writers for SmartPlanet seem to have little experience in the real world, nor a comprehensive view of what already exists. Barack Obama won his second presidential election in a row in the early vote count, in some cases weeks before &quot;election day&quot;. There are already US states that have online voting, and many have early voting and mail-in ballots with few restrictions. Modern electronic voting machines may be as susceptible as home computers, or moreso due to their homogeneity. We are of the mistaken notion that all votes are counted, even paper ones. Recounts never show the same result as the original. Voting is inexact, but fears of alternate methods are usually based on mythologies about technologies, or nostalgia for certain forms, not on their usefulness.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[msbook]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:43:36 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[He probably has big fingers]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I always force the machine to use extra-large print.  That makes the check boxes quite large.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[dmm99]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 08:43:52 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Believe!]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Here in Michigan a young voter went into the voting booth with his cell phone.  He pushed the Obama button, but Romney was checked.  He decided to record it and every time he pushed to Obama button Romney was checked.  He finally got it to work by pushing the Obama button in a different place (not dead center) and Obama was finally checked.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[k8 br]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 05:55:30 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[My vote is more important]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I sense you don't understand what voting really means.  Yes each individual vote is just a small part of the whole picture but in aggregate it's one of the primary ways &quot;We the People&quot; express our wishes and it can make a tremendous difference to the way things go.  If you place more value on your bank account than you do your civic rights/duties then I'd say your proportions are out of whack.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[riverat1]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:53:24 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[As if Your vote]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[(or anybodys vote) would be more important than Your bank account or medical records. Yet You trust online banking with Your money but not online voting with Your vote. I sense a loss of proportions in this discussion.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Dukhalion]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 10:27:56 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[www.wholesalemkt.net]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Wonderful.Share a website with you ,( http://www.wholesalemkt.net/ )Believe you will love it.We accept any form of payment.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[wholemkt104]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 02:48:41 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[@clearCreek]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-12386-82791]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[&quot;The token can be bought at any time before the election, and part of the transaction is the reception by govt. of a secure, encrypted counter-token which will anonymously validate and tabulate the person's vote.&quot;If voters have to buy or purchase their token, then they will not vote! End of Discussion...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[T-Wrench]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 22:32:39 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Dead voters my @$$]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Come on adornoe, if ballots are being cast by dead people it shouldn't be that hard to prove.  After all there is a public list of everyone who voted.  I challenge you to prove any dead person (who didn't die between the time they cast their legal vote and election day) voted.I don't really care who owns the voting machines because they should be outright banned.  As far as I can see there is far more fraud in the form of election fraud from the R's side than the D's side.  Voter fraud is practically nonexistent.  Only 10 cases have been prosecuted since 2000 and half of those were spouses trying votes in their recently dead spouse's name.  I guess that's how dead people vote.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[riverat1]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:21:01 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[That kool-aid must taste good.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The Bush II administration made it a point of emphasis for the US Attorneys to seek out voter fraud such as you allege.  They found practically none.  Voter fraud is just not common enough to be much of an issue.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[riverat1]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:05:35 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[You are too divorced from the reality on the ground, which is that,]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-12386-82781]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[when it comes to fraud, it's not coming by way of the machines being hacked.  It's coming from the many who vote early and often, and the illegals who shouldn't be voting, and the dead people who seem to get out of their graves only during election seasons to go and vote. When it comes to who &quot;owns the machines&quot;, you are one of those who  bought into the lies of the democrats, where they need for people to believe that, it's the other guys who are attempting to steal the elections, but meanwhile, the democrats are using every trick in the fraud books in order to try to steal as many elections as they can.  Getting you to look the other way, by claiming that, big business and republicans and the owners of the machines, are doing the fraud.  Some people, including YOU, are easily misled.  And so, with people like you around, the crooks who steal elections, will continue doing so, knowing that you have their backs.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[adornoe]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 13:10:24 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[They are not out of business, and they're still up to their old tricks,]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[which is registering as many people as they can, many times each, and also trying to get illegals registered and bringing them to the polls.  ACORN, may not be using the same name as they had, but, the same people are still actively pursuing their fraudulent voting tactics.  And, in fact, ACORN is an organization which the democrats will not let die, because, those frauds and many others, are what the democrats depend on in order to win a lot of elections.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[adornoe]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:51:40 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The Will and the Way]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Interesting example of how we get polarized with only 2 options and the conversation turns ugly.  It's ironic that we are also talking about something as fundamental to our unity as human beings and our hope for democracy.  If we really wanted to make voting simple and encourage all who are eligible to vote, we would have secure electronic voting already.  The inertia of existing systems, especially the 2-party lock on politics, is being dragged kicking and screaming into the future.  Check out kingofdemocracy.com.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[quonexus]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:48:18 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[ACORN]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I LOL every time they are brought up.  It's been over 2 years since they went out of business but even when they were in business they never did any of those things you said.  A few people they hired did and ACORN reported them to the authorities and provided evidence of their fraud.  The biggest thing ACORN was guilty of was registering (legal) voters that the R's didn't want voting.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[riverat1]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 11:41:28 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Agreed]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The vote is way to important to not spend the money to do it right.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[riverat1]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 11:34:07 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[More Than Anonymous]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[There are too many ways to hack into computers to make them safe for voting.  There are secure methods of connecting computers but that implies that the computers are secure and not infected with a trojan that can snoop for connections to a secure ports and substitute the information.  These things can be done by fairly low level black hat hackers.  Anonymous is a bit more sophisticated.  Beyond Anonymous there are the state sponsered hackers who can create a campaign that is both difficult to detect and to stop.The last thing we in the US need is another reason to doubt the legitimacy of people elected.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[sboverie]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 11:31:00 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The simple truths.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Are often the hardest for people to grasp.Anything done online should never be considered secret.And yes Clear, PayPal can deny it, but it has been hacked.  Every hacking claim these guys have made has turned out to be true.  Even if it takes a few months for the victims to admit it.http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/world/paypal-symantec-reportedly-hacked-on-guy-fawkes-day-311454.html]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Hates Idiots]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 11:02:00 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Vote by e-mail]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Spoken as someone who has voted in just about every election I've been allowed to in the last ten years, voting in person is waaaaay more fun! I voted by e-mail this year and it was horrid and boring, and I had to sign a waiver that my vote and ballot is not secret. Plus, I can completely imagine the way it could be easily abused, like the vote-by-mail system is already now, where they could just request thousands of absentee ballots for folks who have moved or died. Never again. If I'm still living in Madrid or anywhere else in the world, I'd rather have the NJ Election Commission pay the shipping.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[JenniferKRiggins]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 10:41:01 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[AZ Early Voting]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[They went to electronic voting to save money!  I think we should go back to the way Oregon and Arizona early voting is (we do the same for early voting).  I can find a million other ways to reduce costs in government!]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[foolmeonce]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 10:38:53 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The voting transaction is secret.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The fundamental difference between online banking and credit card transactions and voting is that voting is supposed to be secret.  There is no way to confirm the transaction after the fact other than the final aggregated vote count.  Online financial transactions are not secret and you can openly correct mistakes.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[riverat1]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 09:58:16 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Oregon]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[In Oregon we receive our ballots 2-3 weeks before the election.  We fill out our ballot, insert it into a secrecy envelope then insert that into an outer envelope with our name on it that we have to sign.  When the ballot is received by the county clerk the signature on the outer envelope is compared to the signature on our voter registration and if they match then the secrecy envelope is separated from the outer envelope and put in the pile to be opened in a separate process to later be counted.  If the signature doesn't match well enough they will let you know and give you a chance to confirm you signed the envelope.  If you're worried about security in the US Mail you can deliver your ballot to the county clerk's office personally.  I do that just because it's conveniently only about 5 blocks from my house on my way to work.The difference between Oregon's vote by mail and online voting is that we fill out a paper ballot that can be recounted if necessary.  In online voting there isn't any physical record of your vote, it's all electronic.  Even if you make a printout of your ballot at home there is no way it can be used by elections officials to confirm anything.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[riverat1]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 09:49:48 -0800</pubDate>
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