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        <title><![CDATA[Do the Melting Arctic Icecaps Indicated a 'trend'?]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-12315-84316]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[bb_apptix ... (et. al. : ) ... how are you accounting for the melting of the polar ice caps? Do the melting arctic icecaps indicated a 'trend'?Thanks.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[ramone-kalsaw]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:30:07 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[That was a climate pollution tipping point.]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-12315-82631]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[That fire was not a reflection of man changing the climate.  It was one of man ruining the ecology with very real, very dangerous pollutants.The environmental laws written after that incident and others changed the look of the nations environment for the better.Sandy cannot be attributed to climate change.  Anyone who makes that leap is ignorant of what just happened and how it was predicted.Too bad global warming proponents are now obsessed with the CO2 output of US power stations while turning a blind eye on the toxic soup being pumped into the atmosphere by the ever increasing use of dirty burning coal in India, China and now Germany.The dirtiest burning coal power plants in the US are cleaner than the coal power plants in India and China and just as clean as the new German coal power plants that burn dirty soft brown coal.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Hates Idiots]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 06:12:39 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The climate has always been changing.]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-12315-82619]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Since when does one medium sized hurricane end the debate on climate change. Just because it hit New York?If we really did have global warming then the temperature difference between the poles and the equator would be getting smaller. Thus the driving force for greater weather events would be shrinking. Claiming that the hurricane is an indicator of global warming / climate change (unless that means that the climate is getting colder at the poles:) is counter to your own argument. The climate on earth has been changing since the first time it coalesced from a cloud of dust. Please tell me when the climate of the earth was at its optimum so that you can differentiate it from now. After the last ice age? How about after the ice age before that? Maybe the ice age before that one? The current politically left emphasis on climate change has been nothing more than a club to beat up western civilization in general and the United States in particular. At the same time it is being used as a club to keep developing nations from using their natural resources and keep them dirt poor. As for the &quot;scientific community&quot; they, especially the IPCC, have some real credability problems as it has been revealled that they have been manipulating and cherry picking their data for years. I deny your anthropormophic climate change becuase there are too many other studies that link climate change directly to solar cycles with a much higher degree of accuracy. Which do you think has more influence on climate; the sun or human activity? I will pick the sun.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[randall.wilkinson@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 04:56:42 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Will Sandy Change the Climate Change Conversation?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Sandy and the climate conversation:&quot;The message that climate change did play a role in Hurricane Sandy isn't getting the attention it should, Mann said. &quot;The climate change discussion needs a tipping point I call it a Cuyahoga River moment,&quot; Mann said, referring to the polluted Ohio river that caught fire in 1969 and sparked an environmental movement. [Reality of Climate Change: 10 Myths Busted]&quot;http://www.accuweather.com/en/features/sandy/will_sandy_change_the_climate/1000613]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Dewiel]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 11:56:51 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Forward thinking]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Great article with great ideas for moving forward!  Some folks would say let's study this for a bit longer say 2000 or 200,000 years so we make the right decisions. Doing any or all of the things you mention would make the United States a better place to live.  Thanks!]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[jjaynewton]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 17:39:06 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Re: Hydrogen/Solar Generators]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[In most applications it probably more efficient to use the electricity generated by solar cells directly, but hydrogen could be used for overnight storage of solar generated power.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[riverat1]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 14:18:29 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Interesting article, but it doesn't refute what I said.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Hmm... Interesting read.  Thanks.  However the article is simply talking about what I brought up in my first response to Don, the axial tilt or obliquity which has a ~41,000 year cycle.  There are other orbital parameters that also have an effect on climate and the full theory is referred to as Milankovitch Cycles.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cyclesNone of those acts on a short enough time scale to have a significant effect over just a couple of centuries and if you look at the forcings from all of the components of Milankovitch Cycles together the net effect is a slight cooling bias at the moment.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[riverat1]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 14:16:18 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[They've compiled it recently.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Scientists have deliberately sought out that sort of information in order to fill in the gaps.  It's never going to be perfect but we still know more than you apparently think we do.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[riverat1]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 14:04:51 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[This was predicted.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[A geologist from NYC predicted that the location the city was built on made it very vulnerable to even a modest storm surge from a weak hurricane.  Irene last year was a warning.In short, it was the multi front attack of the water that did it.  The water built up in Long Island Sound because of the persistent east wind.  What is at the end of Long Island Sound?  NYC.The same happened in the Hudson River Basin at the same time.  With water coming from both sides the city did not stand a chance.This guy predicted everything that happened.http://www.propertycasualty360.com/2012/10/29/nyc-the-most-dangerous-place-in-the-world-for-storOn your last question.  You are now seeing the bath tub effect holding the water.The ineffective seawalls that could not hold back the water are now holding the water in place in many areas.A great example was LaGuardia Airports runways sitting in 8 feet of seawater with 3 lonely fire trucks sitting at the end of a runway pumping the water over the seawall and back into the harbor.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Hates Idiots]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:58:39 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Hydrogen/Solar Generators]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-12315-82514]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[We want to aim for Hydrogen/Solar generators.  Use solar cells to generate hydrogen, then use the h2 in fuel cells to make electricity.  The military is pursuing this technology for battlefield use, and we should for emergency situations.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[jabailo1]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:46:47 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Water flowing downhill from a ramp?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I saw one video of water flowing down from a ramp about half a story high, into one of the tunnels.   Didn't make much sense at all to me.   If it was a flood, wouldn't the water have risen starting at street level and then entered the tunnel at its opening.  Or was water being pushed up from the sewers and water mains?   I didn't see any video showing 13 foot high currents coming down the streets of Lower Manhattan.  I saw only the water barely lapping above the pavement at Battery Park.I am not questioning the extent of the damage, but the video evidence paints a puzzling story of what actually happened!]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[jabailo1]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:44:17 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[More questions need to be asked]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Before running off for easy politically motivated answers, it seems like quite a number of questions need to be answered.  I looked at the NOAA precipitation data, and amount of rainfall on the NYC during Sandy's landfall was miniscule.   Likewise the persistent wind speed was very low.  It was hardly a &quot;hurricane&quot; at all and the effect more like a tsunami. Most of the damage was caused by the &quot;storm surge&quot; which was mentioned but not emphasized pre-landing.   I have read some of the explanations of the surge, like the low pressure, but have not heard of a comprehensive model of why this storm produced a record surge.   Also, why is it taking so long for the water to drain now that the storm is over? Surely, you're not claiming that the earth's oceans rose 13 ft in one day, and only on one side of the Atlantic Ocean due to icebergs melting?  Question, question, question.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[jabailo1]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:40:16 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[A little to read.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Maybe this is what Don is refering to.http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/08/14/earth-wobble-climate.html]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Hates Idiots]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 12:58:17 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[But who could have / would have compiled the information back then?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Storms at sea reports ended up going to naval commands, harbor masters, etc. depending on the ship reporting it.  There was no central report collection point.All too often the ships that ran into large storms were just lost at sea like the HMS Bounty was last week.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Hates Idiots]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 12:54:53 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Good Points]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[From what I have read, the climate scientists are reluctant to make Sandy the poster child for global warming.  The reason is as you pointed out, there were several factors that made this hurricane nastier than it would have been normally.  The other reason is that the factors that show evidence of global warming are seen in longer time periods than a single event.Personally, I thought the calls to blame the storm on global warming to be as irrisponsible as saying that god is punishing the US for becoming gay friendly.  Both statements happened and both reflect the lack of skeptical thinking.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[sboverie]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 12:50:08 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[is that a scientific argument?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[It doesn't sound like one. Sea walls are cheaper than solar power. By multiple orders of magnitude.Do you see how little sway your &quot;nature bats last&quot; nonsense has over the public? Even Obama won't tout AGW anymore. People are not buying &quot;nature bats last&quot; anymore.The NYC response to Sandy will be the development of better sea walls. Not an abondonement of fossil fuels.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[James.McMurtry]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:29:10 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[It's not an opinion that can be voted on.]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.smartplanet.com/forum/discussions/1-12315-82483]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[You know what?  The Earth doesn't care about politics.  It's going to do what the physical parameters lead it to do.  It doesn't matter how many people are for or against something when it comes down to it.  Mother Nature bats last and she doesn't pay attention to the riffraff.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[riverat1]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:17:52 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[re: World climate changes]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The changes described by mogul264 are changes that occured by natural forces over geologic time, meaning very slowly, usually over tens- or hundreds-of-thousands or even millions of years.  What we are seeing today are changes that are accelerated by the past century of pumping ever-increasing amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere from fossil fuel combustion that we use to generate electric power, run our factories/all sorts of industries, power ships, trucks, buses, cars, and heat buildings and homes.  The rate of greenhouse gas release into the atmosphere is unparalleled in history - can you imagine how large  an amount as billions of tons per a year is?  No one who is educated can deny that doing this does not come with eventual consequences that threaten our existence on this planet, i.e. what we have been doing &quot;business as usual&quot; is unsustainable on so many levels.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[pkabatek]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:11:33 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[What wobble?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I think scientists would have noticed if the Earth's orbital parameters had changed outside of the expected variations.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[riverat1]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:09:03 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Really critical comment section]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I believe that the state of Chris Nelder's brain is such that when the comments section turns roundly against him he believes that &quot;paid shills&quot; are descending upon him.Mr. Nelder - read these comments carefully. See how many are critical of you, and how these comments get the most thumbs up.This is a very poor piece of hyper-velintating politicized science you have presented here. If the comments are this negative on a Smarter Planet web site, just imagine how poor they would be on a more mainstream web site.It looked like you were breaking through to the mainstream with Financial Times and Slate pieces. Now that is appears to be over. Perhaps the poor quality of your research explains why. You can do better. Please do.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[James.McMurtry]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:08:58 -0700</pubDate>
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