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Posted by wally_altoona
24th Oct
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Posted by Harry Rag
4th Nov
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Unbelievable
This case seems like the Italian legal system gone awry. How can scientists be held liable, especially criminally liable, for forecasting something as imprecise as earthquakes? The victims in this case are deceased so we don't even know what information, if any, they based their decisions on. This verdict now opens the door to legions of U.S. lawyers who may be comtemplating how to profit from inaccurate scientific predictions. This is a true travesty of justice if I've ever seen one.
Posted by wally_altoona
24th Oct
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Gone awry?
Describing the Italian justice system as "gone awry" is like describing the Arctic as cold (at least for now!).
Posted by omb00900@...
24th Oct
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Tick tock, tick tock.
This verdict will be remembered as the catalyst that got the pendulum swinging. It's a victory for the Chicken Littles of the world. They'll celebrate for now and relish the thought of informing the public of every risk assessment, regardless of how insignificant. However, the pendulum will swing and their time will come when people are killed running from an inflated warning and Chicken Little is prosecuted for alarming the public. Good scientists weigh the potential lives lost in panic versus the potential lives lost in a natural disaster and usually make the correct choice.
Posted by donpreston@...
24th Oct
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The Chicken Littles are winning.
You are already seeing it with the whole climate change panic.
A neighborhood floods during a storm in Norfolk VA and it is suddenly the fault of climate change. They ignore the neighborhood was built on dredging material dumped there in the 1850s that had settled 14 inches since the homes were built in the 1920s.
3 houses are washed out to sea by a winter storm on Plum Island MA and they blame climate change. They ignore the fact that much of that island did not exist until a rock jetty was built in the mid 1800s at the mouth of a river. They ignore that the island was nearly wiped off the face of the earth by a series of storms around 1900. Or that much of the current island is made of dredging material dumped there during the effort to rebuild the island after those storms.
A section of roadway gets washed away in San Francisco and they blame global warming. They ignore that the road was built over marsh lands filled in over 100 years ago as part of a multi decade effort that back filled thousands of acres of marsh lands in the bay area. Who do you sue when the ocean is reclaiming the marshes as it was here and in Norfolk VA?
My favorite is the DeRose Winery in CA. This old winery has changed hands over the years, but one of the recent owners tried to sue the state and county after they found out one of the buildings was being ripped in two by the San Andreas fault.
The building had been built on the fault line. This fact had been known for decades, but somehow it was the governments fault they were not aware of the problem when they bought the place.
http://geologycafe.com/fieldtrips/cienega_valley.html
A neighborhood floods during a storm in Norfolk VA and it is suddenly the fault of climate change. They ignore the neighborhood was built on dredging material dumped there in the 1850s that had settled 14 inches since the homes were built in the 1920s.
3 houses are washed out to sea by a winter storm on Plum Island MA and they blame climate change. They ignore the fact that much of that island did not exist until a rock jetty was built in the mid 1800s at the mouth of a river. They ignore that the island was nearly wiped off the face of the earth by a series of storms around 1900. Or that much of the current island is made of dredging material dumped there during the effort to rebuild the island after those storms.
A section of roadway gets washed away in San Francisco and they blame global warming. They ignore that the road was built over marsh lands filled in over 100 years ago as part of a multi decade effort that back filled thousands of acres of marsh lands in the bay area. Who do you sue when the ocean is reclaiming the marshes as it was here and in Norfolk VA?
My favorite is the DeRose Winery in CA. This old winery has changed hands over the years, but one of the recent owners tried to sue the state and county after they found out one of the buildings was being ripped in two by the San Andreas fault.
The building had been built on the fault line. This fact had been known for decades, but somehow it was the governments fault they were not aware of the problem when they bought the place.
http://geologycafe.com/fieldtrips/cienega_valley.html
Posted by Hates Idiots
Updated - 24th Oct
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Pointing Fingers
I think it is human nature to look for someone or something to blame for tragic events. I do believe that there is a climate change going on, but Occam's razor suggests using the least complicated answer to the questions. As you pointed out, some things that are being seen as being a cause of global warming are problems that can be explained by other reasons.
Another example of quick judgement is the series of weird violent crimes that are quickly explained as a drug problem, usually bath salts. The blame is made before any actual testing and it tend to be used to support an agenda but not anything that is scientifically determined.
In some third world, er developing countries, people go on witch hunts because there seems to be a lot of bad luck happening. Sometimes those witch hunts find people who can not defend themselves and they are injured or killed to stop a run of bad luck.
As for the convicted scientists, I hope that this verdict is appealed and overturned. The L'Aquila earthquake event was tragic, but the state of scientific ability to predict earthquakes is limited to a longer time span and not a pin point and immediate warning.
Another example of quick judgement is the series of weird violent crimes that are quickly explained as a drug problem, usually bath salts. The blame is made before any actual testing and it tend to be used to support an agenda but not anything that is scientifically determined.
In some third world, er developing countries, people go on witch hunts because there seems to be a lot of bad luck happening. Sometimes those witch hunts find people who can not defend themselves and they are injured or killed to stop a run of bad luck.
As for the convicted scientists, I hope that this verdict is appealed and overturned. The L'Aquila earthquake event was tragic, but the state of scientific ability to predict earthquakes is limited to a longer time span and not a pin point and immediate warning.
Posted by sboverie
24th Oct
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Proof
This trial and it's results are disgusting, what a bunch of whack jobs.
Posted by GregGold
Updated - 24th Oct
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We used to joke...
...that this was the kind of ignorant nonsense that only happened in "backwards" countries, like when one country's parliament outlawed earthquake faults because they inevitably lead to earthquakes. But now Italy?
What will be the unintended consequences of this? "Defensive science", much like "defensive medicine"? Dire predictions of doom and destruction in response to every inquiry? Or will their serious scientists simply move to Germany like the Spaniards are?
What will be the unintended consequences of this? "Defensive science", much like "defensive medicine"? Dire predictions of doom and destruction in response to every inquiry? Or will their serious scientists simply move to Germany like the Spaniards are?
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
24th Oct
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Get them ALL
They failed to include the Catholic Church for failing to alert the people of the impending apocolypse that was going to befall them!!
Posted by kfortner51
24th Oct
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Yeah...
Supposedly God knew this was going to happen, and HE kept his mouth shut...
When do we put God on trial, for all the damage He's done us?
When do we put God on trial, for all the damage He's done us?
Posted by Lightning Joe
25th Oct
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So...........
So we can put away the idiot who started a war alleging there are "weapons of mass destruction"in Iraq in the prison for life for his stupidity?
Posted by usdoc1
24th Oct
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jailed for not noticing! How about Jailed for Lying!!??
Would the FBI and the CIA make this list because they were asleep at the switch leading up to the 9-11-2001 disaster? They had real information. They woke up to make excuses.
Wait wait - how about the business and financial experts and advisers to President Clinton who promised paradise on earth if we dumped Glass-Stegall protections (from the gamblers disguised as Financial Geniuses) allowing Wall Street to frenzify themselves and ruin the economy (but only for the 99%ers and the possibly the rest of the world?)
Wait - how about the Bush chicken hawks who made up fantasies about Weapons of Mass Deception (sic) hired a PR company with taxpayer's money and got us into two military and financial disasters in Iraq and Afganistan?
Let's apply some Italian law in the good ole US of A.
Cheers.
Wait wait - how about the business and financial experts and advisers to President Clinton who promised paradise on earth if we dumped Glass-Stegall protections (from the gamblers disguised as Financial Geniuses) allowing Wall Street to frenzify themselves and ruin the economy (but only for the 99%ers and the possibly the rest of the world?)
Wait - how about the Bush chicken hawks who made up fantasies about Weapons of Mass Deception (sic) hired a PR company with taxpayer's money and got us into two military and financial disasters in Iraq and Afganistan?
Let's apply some Italian law in the good ole US of A.
Cheers.
Posted by affordablecomputerguy@...
24th Oct
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How soon we forget!
The Amanda Knox trial clued the world into how screwed up the Italian court system is. This latest verdict just confirms it.
Posted by nevertells@...
24th Oct
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True Justice For Meredith Kercher
The evidence against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito is overwhelming. They gave completely different accounts of where they were, who they were with and what they were doing on the night of the murder. Neither Knox nor Sollecito have credible alibis despite three attempts each. All the other people who were questioned had one credible alibi that could be verified. Innocent people don't give multiple conflicting alibis and lie repeatedly to the police.
The DNA didn't miraculously deposit itself in the most incriminating of places.
An abundant amount of Raffaele Sollecito's DNA was found on Meredith's bra clasp. His DNA was identified by two separate DNA tests. Of the 17 loci tested in the sample, Sollecitos profile matched 17 out of 17. Professor Novelli pointed out there's more likelihood of meteorite striking the courtroom in Perguia than there is of the bra clasp being contaminated by dust.
According to Sollecito's forensic expert, Professor Vinci, Knox's DNA was also on Meredith's bra.
Amanda Knox's DNA was found on the handle of the double DNA knife and a number of independent forensic experts - Dr. Patrizia Stefanoni, Dr. Renato Biondo, Professor Giuesppe Novelli, Professor Francesca Torricelli and Luciano Garofano - categorically stated that Merediths DNA was on the blade. Sollecito knew that Merediths DNA was on the blade which is why he lied about accidentally pricking her hand whilst cooking.
According to the prosecution's experts, there were five instances of Knox's DNA or blood with Meredith's blood in three different locations in the cottage. Even Amanda Knox's lawyers conceded that her blood had mingled with Meredith's blood. In other words, Meredith and Amanda Knox were both bleeding at the same time.
Knox tracked Meredith's blood into the bathroom, the hallway, her room and Filomena's room, where the break-in was staged. Knox's DNA and Meredith's blood was found mixed together in Filomena's room, in a bare bloody footprint in the hallway and in three places in the bathroom.
Rudy Guede's bloody footprints led straight out of Meredith's room and out of the house. This means that he didn't stage the break-in in Filomena's room or go into the blood-spattered bathroom after Meredith had been stabbed.
Sollecito left a visible bloody footprint on the blue bathmat in the bathroom. Knox's and Sollecito's bare bloody footprints were revealed by luminol in the hallway.
It's not a coincidence that the three people - Knox, Sollecito and Guede - who kept telling the police a pack of lies are all implicated by the DNA and forensic evidence.
Amanda Knox voluntarily admitted that she was involved in Meredith's murder in her handwritten note to the police on 6 November 2007.
Knox accused an innocent man, Diya Lumumba, of murdering Meredith despite the fact she knew he was completely innocent. She didn't recant her false and malicious allegation against Lumumba the whole time he was in prison. She admitted that it was her fault that Lumumba was in prison in an intercepted conversation with her mother on 10 November 2007.
http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php
The DNA didn't miraculously deposit itself in the most incriminating of places.
An abundant amount of Raffaele Sollecito's DNA was found on Meredith's bra clasp. His DNA was identified by two separate DNA tests. Of the 17 loci tested in the sample, Sollecitos profile matched 17 out of 17. Professor Novelli pointed out there's more likelihood of meteorite striking the courtroom in Perguia than there is of the bra clasp being contaminated by dust.
According to Sollecito's forensic expert, Professor Vinci, Knox's DNA was also on Meredith's bra.
Amanda Knox's DNA was found on the handle of the double DNA knife and a number of independent forensic experts - Dr. Patrizia Stefanoni, Dr. Renato Biondo, Professor Giuesppe Novelli, Professor Francesca Torricelli and Luciano Garofano - categorically stated that Merediths DNA was on the blade. Sollecito knew that Merediths DNA was on the blade which is why he lied about accidentally pricking her hand whilst cooking.
According to the prosecution's experts, there were five instances of Knox's DNA or blood with Meredith's blood in three different locations in the cottage. Even Amanda Knox's lawyers conceded that her blood had mingled with Meredith's blood. In other words, Meredith and Amanda Knox were both bleeding at the same time.
Knox tracked Meredith's blood into the bathroom, the hallway, her room and Filomena's room, where the break-in was staged. Knox's DNA and Meredith's blood was found mixed together in Filomena's room, in a bare bloody footprint in the hallway and in three places in the bathroom.
Rudy Guede's bloody footprints led straight out of Meredith's room and out of the house. This means that he didn't stage the break-in in Filomena's room or go into the blood-spattered bathroom after Meredith had been stabbed.
Sollecito left a visible bloody footprint on the blue bathmat in the bathroom. Knox's and Sollecito's bare bloody footprints were revealed by luminol in the hallway.
It's not a coincidence that the three people - Knox, Sollecito and Guede - who kept telling the police a pack of lies are all implicated by the DNA and forensic evidence.
Amanda Knox voluntarily admitted that she was involved in Meredith's murder in her handwritten note to the police on 6 November 2007.
Knox accused an innocent man, Diya Lumumba, of murdering Meredith despite the fact she knew he was completely innocent. She didn't recant her false and malicious allegation against Lumumba the whole time he was in prison. She admitted that it was her fault that Lumumba was in prison in an intercepted conversation with her mother on 10 November 2007.
http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php
Posted by Harry Rag
4th Nov