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        <title><![CDATA[rlmof]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[no anti gravity?   Ever hear of Tesla?   LOL    Sir - if you do as you say - then you would produce yourself right out of a job.   someone would grab your idea long before you get close to end of your diatribe.  get your patent - put it together - then go on Shark Tank or some other show and get the support from person with money and resource to go the distance.  Get someone big who believes in you and they will prevent other govts or entities from stealing yoru idea.  Granted there will always be generics  whether you are dealing with drugs or Jeans or potato chips, But the brand names will Always make the money every time.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[llandau@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:56:39 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[unfortunately for you]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[once you show your R&amp;D and formulas and such - you will find someone else already holds the patent.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[llandau@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:50:57 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[patents are specific]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[sometimes that is the problem.  IF you create a widget XD1 with iron - someone else could copy everything from your patent except make the border .02 CM larger and make it out of bronze (or anything else except iron) and have a new patent all together.  That is what patent trolls do.  Either take away any sideways innovation from the patent or buy it out as you say.  If the patent is bought out then the original creator gets their profit.  That is part of what the patent system  all about.   Protects the creator.  If the creator wants to sell the patent - what is it to you?   The patent holder could sell patent but ask for royalties on all product sold from patent etc and still get just rewards.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[llandau@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:49:57 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[boo ya]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[well said]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[llandau@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:41:51 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[so you are against patents]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[because you are stopped from using another person's idea to create profit for yourself?  hmmmm  That kinda proves that the patent system is working.  Your argument here is self defeating.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[llandau@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:40:04 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[patent protection]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[SHOULD start when the formula or molecule is found.  If one waits until the FDA approves the drug - then the whole idea of intellectual property goes out the window.  Once the patent runs out then others can copy the formula/molecule and make money off someone elses work.  The main reason generics are cheaper is because those creating the generics are just copying a recipe - partaking in the success of others work. The patent process also protects and documents the R&amp;D process so there is a record of what has been tested - what works and what doesnt.   The big expense int he R&amp;D process is not just for the one successful formula/ molecule but for the thousands of molecules patented and researched to find the one success.    The ratio is something like 10,000 to 1.  10,000 failures to find the 1 success.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[llandau@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:33:38 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Lol, you obviously have hair...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[or you wouldn't think that at all. ]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[dillydadally]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:59:57 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[You are correct good sir!]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I've posted a couple other times in this conversation talking about my personal experience starting multiple small businesses.  Patents kill small businesses.  As a business owner who has put his blood and tears into various products, I have learned much to my surprise that what Facebook creator Mark Zuckerberg said is true (and I paraphrase) - anyone can come up with a great idea.  Great ideas have no value at all.  Actually implementing the idea in a way that it's successful is what is hard and valuable.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[dillydadally]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:57:27 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I'm sorry, but your statements are uneducated]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[You do not understand patents at all (comparing a copyright to a patent?), nor do you understand what being an innovator, entrepreneur, and inventor is like.  I have personally been doing it for years.  I HAVE been heavily involved with investors and funding businesses, and it's very different from what you describe.  Bankers and investors care little about if you have a patent unless it has been valued at some amount as an asset.  Almost every software engineer hates patents because they constantly stop them from innovating and getting to market.  Patents are scaring innovators away.First off, copyrights are not the same as patents and are very different.  One helps the IP owner, one hurts them from creating their IP.  In most cases, copyrights should be fulfilling the role of a patent.  Our copyright laws work.  Our patent laws hurt innovators like me.Why?  Because you can't do anything anymore without getting sued.  You literally cannot create a product, no matter how innovative, without getting sued for some obscure and vague patent.  This is because there's big money in being a patent troll, and our government has let way too many things become patentable that shouldn't be.  As a result, there is no way to design certain products without infringing on one patent or another - there are only so many ways to make something functional!  So why isn't literally everyone sued who creates a product?  Well, everyone is who creates a successful product.  It's a fact of business now.  The ones who are not successful don't get sued because there's no money to take.  From someone who lives it everyday and has owned and currently owns a small business - someone who knows - patents are a hindrance to innovation, innovators, and small businesses.  Should they be completely eliminated? I don't know, but definitely heavily, heavily reformed and reduced.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[dillydadally]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:49:35 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Those arguing for patents don't know the facts!]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I feel like all the people here arguing for patents are just arguing because its their immediate opinion because they've been taught all their life patents are good.  Please!  Listen! As someone has started multiple small businesses (and done extensive research), I can speak with both experience and authority!  Patents as they are in our country right now are killing innovation, competition, and essentially our economy.First off, as agfinva spoke about copyright laws and such, please realize a copyright and patent is VERY different.  Copyrights are very beneficial and should fill the role of a patent in most cases.Here are some straight facts from reputable sources:As quoted from NPR, among software engineers: &quot;All of them hated the patent system, and half of them had patents in their names that they felt shouldn't have been granted. In polls, as many as 80 percent of software engineers say the patent system actually hinders innovation. It doesn't encourage them to come up with new ideas and create new products. It actually gets in their way.&quot;  I recommend reading the rest of the article:http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/07/26/138576167/when-patents-attackOr how about this, from a Berkely patent survey:&quot;Two-thirds of the approximately 700 software entrepreneurs who participated in the 2008 Berkeley Patent Survey report that they neither have nor are seeking patents for innovations embodied in their products and services. These entrepreneurs rate patents as the least important mechanism among seven options for attaining competitive advantage in the marketplace. Even software startups that hold patents regard them as providing only a slight incentive to invest in innovation.&quot;http://radar.oreilly.com/2010/07/why-software-startups-decide-t.htmlI could post many more, but instead I'll just tell you my experience.  I have started multiple small businesses and been through the funding turmoil more than I ever hoped to - talking to banks and angel investors.  Most of them don't give a hoot if you have a patent.  I was surprised to learn how little value a patent was for my business.  The only banks and investors care is if you have a patent that is valued at something to count as an asset.  The vast majority of patents are not used, and the ones that are are used to keep small businesses from competing.  You'll create a truly innovative product and trolls appear and sue you, destroying your business, whether they win or not, and even though their patent is extremely vague and dissimilar to your product. The vast majority of people do not even seek patents until they have a successful product.  This is because the price to get a patent is about $15,000.  If you have that type of money, you often don't need to talk to a bank!  Even app designers are leaving the market because they've started to get sued by patent trolls.  Anyway, I've written enough, but just do a search for 'eliminate patents' or 'harmful patents' and see the true facts about how they are effecting small business owners and everyone BUT big business.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[dillydadally]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:30:52 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Why do patents....]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[on hardware(physical items), books, and drugs expire. But patents on software is forever???]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[blackjack861@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 19:55:16 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[patent system is not perfect]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The patent system is not perfect and should be disbanded. We need to work for the benefit for the mankind and use all advanced technologies FREE. Hopefully this brings peace and prosperity. While it seems many disagree with me... Only time will tell who is right on this issue. russiske damer]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[aflemo]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 07:18:49 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Huh? Do you know what you are writing about?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Shanunehunter wrote &quot;The entire tech industry was created and is still fueled by patent free, open standards. This field is the most innovative and explosive area of the last 40 years. History supports this argument.&quot;The most important standards in the tech industry are those published by groups like IEEE (ethernet, WiFi, WiMax), IETF (TCP, IP, HTTP, FTP), and ETSI (GSM, LTE). All of these groups will standardize patented material as long as the essential patents are available for fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory licensing. Contrary to shaunehunter's argument above, history does NOT support the argument that all tech standards are free and open.See for example:http://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/bylaws/sect6-7.htmlhttp://www.ietf.org/ipr/policy.htmlhttp://www.etsi.org/WebSite/AboutETSI/IPRsInETSI/IPRsinETSI.aspx]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[lmarks@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 07:26:02 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[99%]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[isn't the protection of intellectual property a safeguard that does more good for the inventives among the 99%; protection against the barracudi?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Sunon@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 13:40:04 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[copycat?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[under your proposed system what's to stop a copycat from pirating your idea and offering IT up to the fda.  admittedly, i can see a long testing or re testing period eating up possible gains. hmm.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Sunon@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 13:35:00 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I bet...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[That none of the commenters have even read this paper.The entire tech industry was created and is still fueled by patent free, open standards. This field is the most innovative and explosive area of the last 40 years. History supports this argument.If monetary profit is the drug companies raison d'etre then we should take money out of the medical field. Doctors and scientists are still paid very well in public systems and still do the work. Refusing medical treatment to a human in need because you won't profit by helping is unethical any way you look at it.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[shaunehunter]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 12:45:25 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[We had such experience before]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[What interest should have bankers in the patent system and innovation development? It sounds like another one twist of rules...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Isakevich]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 00:46:57 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The bland leading the blind]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Those who wish to abolish the patent system are those who do not have enough imagination to create something useful for the good of humanity. Without a patent system what would encourage someone to invent something if there is no benifit to themselves and manufactures could run with it at their profit and the inventors loss. I'm on my second patent with seven more to go and in the process of developing a new solar energy system that could be of great benifit to humanity and our dire CO2 as well as dwindling energy problem. For all my work I deserve no reward ?? NOTSee Orion Solartech to viewThe only thing I see as needing change in the patent system is the exorbedent legal costs of defending a patent. If IP is being stolen a patent examiner should be able to determine that and then the courts can award damages. Why allow an entity with great wealth to break you into financial submission.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary McCallum]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 20:55:42 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Don't Abolish]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[People should still be able to protect an original idea. Revise the system to eliminate tweaks or similar looks.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[fooooot@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 19:22:22 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Just perhaps...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[They've noticed the drag on the economy caused by patents.Next is copyrights...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Lightning Joe]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 16:00:06 -0700</pubDate>
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