...the Senate Finance Committees recent extension of the cellulosic ethanol income tax credit is welcome news.
For whom? Certainly not consumers. To the crony capitalists and the political/subsidy feedback loop, certainly.
Picture an America in some parallel universe: The oil industry announces that it is mixing 10% or more of Ethanol into the gasoline supply. Immediately, America's already most hated industry is attacked from all quarters for attempting to literally water down American's fuel to rip off consumers. Ralph Nader would be filing class action lawsuits on behalf of all consumers for the losses related to reduced fuel economy and damage to internal combustion engines, and Al Gore would go on a rampage about the increased net carbon footprint and other environmental damage because of the resource intensive nature of producing Ethanol. There'd be food riots in the 3rd world, because of the diversion of food crops to produce Ethanol, and vast amounts of rain forest would be cut down for crop land needed to make up the difference.
Oh wait. The last part actually has happened in our universe too.
At least the America in that universe retains some degree of sanity. Ours clearly does not. Ethanol is a complete scam. The idea that ethanol is low carbon is a flat-out lie, especially considering that it takes a gallon of oil-based products (gasoline, diesel, and fertilizer) to produce a gallon of Ethanol, which actually has lower heat content than the fuel it's replacing. Getting lower mileage these days? That's probably why. Never mind the damage that may be happening to your engines. (But now that the US government is also an automaker, they're okay with the idea that your older car is going to die a premature death - Just consider it another personal sacrifice for keeping the UAW in business)
Ethanol subsidies are a perfect example of the destructive feedback loops that are created when the government starts subsidizing. Producers receiving the subsidy get comfortable, then dependent on the subsidy. A percentage of the subsidy is then fed back to the politicians to keep the subsidy in place, or to even expand. The last thing any of these people want is for the subsidy to ever end. Meanwhile, more viable alternatives are squeezed out of the market and never happen.
Even Al Gore now admits that supporting Ethanol was a mistake, and that he did so only because he had to buy much needed votes from the farm states.
I have every expectation that in 100 years when all transport is fueled by something other than carbon-based energy, that we'll still be subsidizing Ethanol, just like the city of Detroit still subsidizes a horseshoe changer.
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Welcome news? Really?
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How is that food for fuel plan working out?
One extended drought and the American consumer is punished with higher food and fuel prices because more than 50 percent of the US corn crop goes to ethanol.
The Obama administration had a chance to stop the madness when the initial Bush manadte expired. But no.
Instead we can thank the Obama administration for driving a large percentage of Americans into poverty as they drive up the cost of living and make a few already rich friends of theirs all the richer.
Do you really want 4 more years of spreading poverty?
The Obama administration had a chance to stop the madness when the initial Bush manadte expired. But no.
Instead we can thank the Obama administration for driving a large percentage of Americans into poverty as they drive up the cost of living and make a few already rich friends of theirs all the richer.
Do you really want 4 more years of spreading poverty?
Posted by Hates Idiots
Updated - 22nd Aug
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The alternative?
You think Romney will reverse ethenol subsidies?
Posted by DanW
22nd Aug
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Probably not...
...which is my point: They are almost impossible to end, no matter who is president. This is why we should resist implementing them in the first place.
Now, do you think that given a second term, Obama will cease his impulse to subsidize?
Now, do you think that given a second term, Obama will cease his impulse to subsidize?
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Updated - 23rd Aug
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Probably not.
All of them are looking at buying votes in the corn belt with our tax dollars and the money we spend of fuel.
Posted by Hates Idiots
23rd Aug
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Especially considering the feedback loop...
...that is well established within the Obama Administration:
http://m.apnews.mobi/ap/db_6776/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=o9sOtuuK
http://m.apnews.mobi/ap/db_6776/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=o9sOtuuK
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The Indian way
We all talk about food being converted to fuel. We have become masters of trash talking our government about whatever they do.Instead of sitting on the duff and gaining weight, why not invent something that would help the humanity and the world. We use 30% of all energy produced in USA even though we are only 10% of the total world population. We are ready to make war on countries to achieve this goal and waste money and human lives.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrtINiLgNKY
This company started with humble roots. Today they are well recognized as one of the leading companies in India for manufacturing bio gas out of trash.Here we have tons of food waste and other digestible waste that can easily be converted to energy and not dumped into land fill. I have talked to the inventor of this simple product. He appears be very content to supply to the local market and not seriously interested in trying to export. We do have such plants in Berkeley California at the USC. Unfortunately this one costs several millions and is very large for installation in the back yard.
This method has been successfully implemented in countries like East Africa (Uganda). If each one of us took energy saving seriously and tried one simple method, we can easily decrease our energy use by at least 40% I have and continuing to do my part. Are you willing to join?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrtINiLgNKY
This company started with humble roots. Today they are well recognized as one of the leading companies in India for manufacturing bio gas out of trash.Here we have tons of food waste and other digestible waste that can easily be converted to energy and not dumped into land fill. I have talked to the inventor of this simple product. He appears be very content to supply to the local market and not seriously interested in trying to export. We do have such plants in Berkeley California at the USC. Unfortunately this one costs several millions and is very large for installation in the back yard.
This method has been successfully implemented in countries like East Africa (Uganda). If each one of us took energy saving seriously and tried one simple method, we can easily decrease our energy use by at least 40% I have and continuing to do my part. Are you willing to join?
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22nd Aug
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Bad math.
We're less than 5% of the world's population. True, we consume a disproportionate amount of energy on a per-capita basis, but then again we also still produce roughly 20% of the world's wealth. If we were to cease doing that, many more people than just us would suffer.
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22nd Aug
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What kills me ..
Is that there are no "good for the planet" energy plans that reduce the cost of living on the average citizen. Everything is designed to punish us.
Every plan for saving planetary resourses and protecting the environment involves driving average people into poverty.
Be it with higher taxes on fossil fuels, food for fuel (which drives up the cost of both) expensive alternative energy sources or mandated higher energy prices designed to force conservation. (like the mandated price hikes built into the Cape Wind contracts)
In the end, regardless of the power source involved, fossil fuels or renewable, the poor will get poorer, the rich will get richer and the politicians will continue to be fat and happy while the average hard working tax payers/rate payers gets the shaft.
Every plan for saving planetary resourses and protecting the environment involves driving average people into poverty.
Be it with higher taxes on fossil fuels, food for fuel (which drives up the cost of both) expensive alternative energy sources or mandated higher energy prices designed to force conservation. (like the mandated price hikes built into the Cape Wind contracts)
In the end, regardless of the power source involved, fossil fuels or renewable, the poor will get poorer, the rich will get richer and the politicians will continue to be fat and happy while the average hard working tax payers/rate payers gets the shaft.
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Updated - 23rd Aug
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That is because many eco-progressives honestly believe...
...that poverty is the answer.
If we (we, meaning the huddled masses minus the elites) are all poor and reduced to a near-subsistence existence, then we'll stop consuming and therefor polluting. We'll all revert to a simple existence and be happy; finding deeper meaning in a "simple life", knowing it was all to save the planet.
My favorite example: Remember the "cold fusion" hysteria of the late '80s when it was believed (quite shortly) that the key to "cold fusion" had been discovered, and it promised a bright future of cheap and clean energy?
You'd think that the eco-progressives would have been thrilled about the prospect of such a finding; No more need for dirty coal. No more need of risky nuclear. It would have been compatible with the existing grid. The air would be clean again. Carbon-based electrical generation would be gone and forgotten in less than a generation.
And yet, they were not happy. In fact, they were quite the opposite. They actually feared it. Why? Clean, cheap power means a future of capitalism and economic expansion unrestrained by energy scarcity. Not acceptable!
At this point, it became quite clear: Much of the environmental movement wasn't about the environment at all. It was about socialism, statism, and keeping people under control. The environment was just an excuse. And people with ample energy, resources and self-mobility are very, very difficult to control.
So instead we get expensive boondoggles that even if they were to actually work, would provide us even less power than we had before. The "smart grid" is actually a control mechanism to dole out the limited power as the central authority sees fit and just.
The trend now in new facilities is the integration of independent power. And why is that? It has nothing to do with being "green". It's because the true industrial visionaries already see this future, and are preparing for it.
It's ironic that those who bemoan "economic Darwinism" are themselves creating a new age of self-sufficiency. People aren't going to want to be "rich" for the sake of being rich. They are going to need to be rich just to survive.
If we (we, meaning the huddled masses minus the elites) are all poor and reduced to a near-subsistence existence, then we'll stop consuming and therefor polluting. We'll all revert to a simple existence and be happy; finding deeper meaning in a "simple life", knowing it was all to save the planet.
My favorite example: Remember the "cold fusion" hysteria of the late '80s when it was believed (quite shortly) that the key to "cold fusion" had been discovered, and it promised a bright future of cheap and clean energy?
You'd think that the eco-progressives would have been thrilled about the prospect of such a finding; No more need for dirty coal. No more need of risky nuclear. It would have been compatible with the existing grid. The air would be clean again. Carbon-based electrical generation would be gone and forgotten in less than a generation.
And yet, they were not happy. In fact, they were quite the opposite. They actually feared it. Why? Clean, cheap power means a future of capitalism and economic expansion unrestrained by energy scarcity. Not acceptable!
At this point, it became quite clear: Much of the environmental movement wasn't about the environment at all. It was about socialism, statism, and keeping people under control. The environment was just an excuse. And people with ample energy, resources and self-mobility are very, very difficult to control.
So instead we get expensive boondoggles that even if they were to actually work, would provide us even less power than we had before. The "smart grid" is actually a control mechanism to dole out the limited power as the central authority sees fit and just.
The trend now in new facilities is the integration of independent power. And why is that? It has nothing to do with being "green". It's because the true industrial visionaries already see this future, and are preparing for it.
It's ironic that those who bemoan "economic Darwinism" are themselves creating a new age of self-sufficiency. People aren't going to want to be "rich" for the sake of being rich. They are going to need to be rich just to survive.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
Updated - 23rd Aug
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Large Scale Biofuel Production - Dead On Arrival
While biofuels from wastes offer limited economic potential and a wise environmental strategy - biofuel from waste production also represents practically - less than 1% of energy needs. Waste biofuel production is severely economically limited by logistical costs and climate - such that only a few site locations are economically feasible. There have been at least four or more major mass balance analysis studies of biofuels and all of them have agreed on at least one thing - significant energy production from biofuels will require NPK fertilizer - same as our food production for which biofuels will compete directly. Some experts have estimated a global biofuel industry could quadruple NPK demand over food production demand.
According to the 2011 USDA Fertilizer Import Summary - "U.S. nitrogen and potash supplies largely depend on imports. More than 54 percent of nitrogen (N) and 85 percent of potash (K2O) supply was from imports in calendar year 2011. Because domestic production capacity is limited, any increase in nitrogen and potash demands will have to be met largely by imports."
A decade ago the US was a net exporter of NPK and it's most critical component rock phosphates (also the only known at scale economic source of ag. and ind. phosphorous) that supply the phosphorus (most critical element) in NPK fertilizers which are btw totally dependent on petroleum for their production today. We now import a growing amount of rock phosphate - 15% of our consumption in 2011. From where you should ask? Well, that would be largely from Morocco. This begs the logical question - "If we have to import the fertilizers that we use for civilian/military biofuel and food production - how is that less risky, or a lower priority than importing foreign oil?" and "How does it reduce our critical dependency on foreign resources - especially in times of war where foreign dependency can be used against us as an effective weapon?"
According to the 2011 USDA Fertilizer Import Summary - "U.S. nitrogen and potash supplies largely depend on imports. More than 54 percent of nitrogen (N) and 85 percent of potash (K2O) supply was from imports in calendar year 2011. Because domestic production capacity is limited, any increase in nitrogen and potash demands will have to be met largely by imports."
A decade ago the US was a net exporter of NPK and it's most critical component rock phosphates (also the only known at scale economic source of ag. and ind. phosphorous) that supply the phosphorus (most critical element) in NPK fertilizers which are btw totally dependent on petroleum for their production today. We now import a growing amount of rock phosphate - 15% of our consumption in 2011. From where you should ask? Well, that would be largely from Morocco. This begs the logical question - "If we have to import the fertilizers that we use for civilian/military biofuel and food production - how is that less risky, or a lower priority than importing foreign oil?" and "How does it reduce our critical dependency on foreign resources - especially in times of war where foreign dependency can be used against us as an effective weapon?"
Posted by dduggerbiocepts
28th Aug