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THE COST OF TAKING ACTION ON CLIMATE CHANGE:
Isn?t the timing interesting? With the world is in recession and US unemployment figures hovering around 10% the EPA exceeds it authority and determines CO2 is a pollutant that must be regulated.
I challenge Washington to keep money, technology and jobs in the US by reducing trade imbalance. It is estimated that every billion in trade deficit equals 13,000 jobs lost.
America has natural gas and coal in abundance and can eliminate dependence on foreign oil and does not need to send billions to countries that sponsor terrorism.
During the decades America enjoyed great prosperity no concern was expressed for the plight of uninsured. Citizens cannot print money to pay off debt. Families have to balance checkbooks and they do a better job of controlling spending than the Federal Government ever will!
If politicians ignore the opportunity, citizens should Cap and Trade: hand the politicians their caps and trade them in for new ones!
WHO BENEFITS FROM CAP AND TRADE?
The US agreed to transfer jobs and technology to developing countries under INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENT Algiers Declaration, March 1975
In this context, they emphasize the necessity for the full implementation of the Programme of Action adopted by the United Nations General Assembly at its VI Special Session, and accordingly they emphasize the following requirements:
"With regard to the depletable natural resources, as OPEC?s petroleum resources are, it is essential that the transfer of technology must be commensurate in speed and volume with the rate of their depletion, which is being accelerated for the benefit and growth of the economies of the developed countries"
A major portion of the planned or new petrochemical complexes, oil refineries and fertilizer plants be built in the territories of OPEC Member Countries with the co-operation of industrialized nations for export purposes to the developed countries with guaranteed access for such products to the markets of these countries
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Despite the rantings of a few vocal know-nothings, climate change is real and man's contribution is clearly significant.
What was left out of the story is the fact that climate change will have its most damaging effects on the developing world through droughts, floods, rising sea level, and disease vectors.
We have both self-interest and a moral obligation to assist the less fortunate through wise levels of foreign aid now and global warming mitigation for the long run. This cannot be framed as an "either-or" choice. We must do both.
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While it may cost something in the short run to respond to the challenges of global warming it will cost far more in the long run if we don't respond. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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What global warming?
Recent headlines in the news show how the global warming alarmists have cooked their data, thrown away data that doesn't support their claims, or flat out lied to the public. Their whole agenda is coming apart at the seams.
This is a non-issue. If Bill Gates is pushing it, then he has lost touch with reality. I hope he sees this and starts doing some independent research to realize he has been had.
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Kill babies to save the planet
I can understand why Bill Gates has fallen for the Global warming scam. He ascribes to the humanist worldview as this article reveals. The religion of humanism pits us against each other. In the quest for self interests, other humans are seen as competitors and therefore evil. The global warming scam is in perfect alignment with the humanist agenda. Man is the problem, right? As long as it is someone else and not you. Well who then? Of course the candidate for eradication would have to be the most defenseless. The unborn. The misguided effort to reduce the population through abortion should be an affront to anyone, but it is not for the self seeking.
So when Bill says
" improvements in health, including voluntary family planning, lead people to have smaller families, which in turn reduces the strain on the environment."
What he is saying is that these children, whether already conceived or not, represent a threat to him.
What he does not realize in his blinded pursuit of self interest, is that our children are our greatest asset.
Global warming is one of the greatest scams ever perpetrated. It is definitely not settled science. Data simply does not support it. The real agenda behind it should be clear when a man with the ability to analyze data like Bill Gates makes statements like this.
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Ignoring the deniers - because climate-change denial is about as
credible s "intelligent design" - then the harsh truth is that this
could be a good thing.
The biggest of all environmental problems is overpopulation.
Reductions in humanitarian aid will probably lead to human deaths,
perhaps lots of them, but longer-term, that is actually what the
world needs: fewer humans living on it.
Ideally, a few billion less, and starting with the creationists and
the climate-change deniers would be ideal in my book.
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The scam is getting you to believe that all of the thousands of scientists studying global warming are in some worldwide conspiracy to lie about the problem. It's sad because while the rest of the world moves on and addresses the problem the US will get left in the dust.
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IS MANKIND REALLY CAUSING GLOBAL WARMING
According to science, the Earth has had multiple tropical and glacial ages over the millennia. If operating automobiles is causing global warming Fred Flintstone must have had a huge truck fleet! Or is it not more likely global warming is a cyclical event more affected by sun spot cycles?
Recent news suggests that the oceans of the world will be cooling for the next 25-30 years.
Furthermore, it is my understanding that the most prevalent hot house gas is water vapor. Should citizens of earth try to stop the rain cycle?
COMMON SENSE
Poverty is the worst form of pollution. And only wealthy nations and people can do something about it.
I am against Cap and Trade in the best of times but it is national suicide to consider implementing this costly new program when America's economy is teetering on the brink! The only Cap and Trade I will vote for is handing their Caps to politicians who vote yes on the issue and trading them in for new representatives!
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POLITICS BEHIND CAP & TRADE
THE RICH WILL GET RICHER
Cap & Trade is being imposed on the world because it creates a multi-trillion dollar commodity market for hot air. The beneficiaries are the rich special interest who will get wealthier setting up and trading the new commodities market.
TROUBLING IMPLEMENTATION QUESTIONS
How many CO2 credits will be distributed world wide? $13 - 15 trillion? How will the process be audited to prevent outright fraud?
Who gets to decide how many CO2 credits each business or person should receive?
Should sovereign nations or the UN tax this new one world currency?
If a business in California closes and sells CO2 credits to a company in England, will a new California company be required to purchase credits before opening?
Will multi-national companies export new construction and jobs to 3rd world non-subscribing countries? Or will people of the Amazon miss out on new opportunities because an American company bought thousands of acres to be left unexploited to acquire carbon sequestration credits.
Does a growing population mean a lower standard of living and reduced CO2 allotments for each new person or business?
Should children be allowed to inherit their parents CO2 permits? Should couples be limited to two children?
WHAT ENTITY SHOULD DETERMINE EARTH?S CO2 CARRYING CAPACITY
I prefer the God of my Fathers decide rather than scientists seeking government grant money.
Genesis 9:7 - As for you, be fruitful and multiply; Populate the earth abundantly and multiply in it.
Job 38:4 - Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding,
Job 15:7 - Were you the first man to be born, Or were you brought forth before the hills?
Psalm 104:5 - He established the earth upon its foundations, So that it will not totter forever and ever.
Proverbs 8:29 - When He set for the sea its boundary So that the water would not transgress His command, When He marked out the foundations of the earth;
Proverbs 30:4 - Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His son's name? Surely you know!
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He's right. Cap-n-Tax and other CO2 initiatives...
...will effectively render us unable to export aid in any meaningful way.
Historically, the only reason that America and American's have been able and willing to send aid to the underdeveloped world is because we had such abundance in the last century. The aim of the CO2 agenda is to scale back our economy, and thus emissions. Without surplus, and with ever increasing domestic demands upon what is left of our economy (health care, the Social Security imbalance, pensions, etc) we simply will not be able to do much for anyone anymore. The only reason we can spend as we do at the moment is because the Chinese Communist Party sees fit to finance us. They will not do so indefinitely.
Many outside our borders and within fantasize about a world with a less powerful America. After the golden goose has been gored, let's see how happy they are when they get what they've said they wanted.
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Who says "The aim of the CO2 agenda is to scale back our economy"? That's your interpretation. What makes you think we can't have a strong vibrant economy using energy sources other than fossil fuels? Come on, use some imagination. Yes it will be different but maybe it will be better. Growing world population, depletion of resources and climate change all point to the fact that the world is going to seriously change over the next 50 years and we might as well face it rather than trying to put it off and make the transition that much more difficult because we have less time to respond.
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We can have a vibrant economy with alternate fuels.
But that is not what "cap and trade" is about. It's a wealth
transfer mechanism that is designed to siphon money out of the
productive economy and direct it to politically favored special
interests.
Resource depletion solves itself without politicians picking winners
and losers.
Want an example? Look at the results of our ethanol policy: A fuel
that costs more per gallon than gas; actually consumes more oil in
its production than it saves and has an even higher carbon footprint;
lowers mileage for consumers; diverts agriculture from growing food
to fuel crops, causing riots in some countries; and actually is
encouraging the plowing of the Amazon rain forest to grow more corn
for it.
With energy policy as effective as this, who's afraid of global
apocalypse?
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Well, I'm not all that enthusiastic about cap and trade myself. I think a straight up carbon tax would be more effective. But they're both methods for putting a price on carbon, using market forces make fossil carbon fuels less attractive therefore driving development away from them. If you objective is to reduce fossil carbon then it doesn't matter that much who gets rich as long as it's effective in reducing fossil carbon.
I'm not that thrilled by ethanol, particularly corn based ethanol either. But it was worth looking in to and as you pointed out, will eventually solve itself if it doesn't pan out in the long run. I don't know why they would plow up the Amazon rain forest to grow more corn for ethanol when Brazil already gets massive amounts of ethanol from sugar cane which is several times as efficient as corn for that use.
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Was it worth it?
Like most federal programs, ethanol will probably be with us long
after we're dead and gone. Once you start subsidizing something,
you've established a feedback look that is practically impossible to
break; people/corporations collect profits and feed them back to the
politicians who keep the subsidies/tariffs/monopolies in place.
We've got programs going back to the 30s that will never go away
because of this loop.
The're plowing the Amazon to make up for the global food shortage
created when we stopped exporting corn to instead make ethanol.
All this for a bogus fuel that actually reduces your mileage by 3%.
If the oil industry had decided to do this on its own, there's be
cries of "watered down gas", congressional investigations and
lawsuits. But if congress mandates it, they're eco-heroes.
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During the '90s many Serbs refused to believe that Serbian soldiers were guilty of war crimes, even when presented with photographic & video evidence. At the time, I was amazed. Fast forward to the present & a sizable chunk of the US public will grab onto anything they can to deny that global warming is in progress. Oh wait - I skipped over Iraqi nukes & who was REALLY responsible for the destruction of the WTC.
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Something is already expanding the range of diseases like Dengue,
Malaria, Leishmaniasis and others, it could be deforestation in some
places, El Nino and/or desertation or lack of surface water or too much
rain in others, but the unfortunate truth is that health expenses for
the all are raising also. I hope that efforts to make Earth less
polluted, and this includes also energy waste and waste of all kinds
could help.
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Who are the real "deniers"
hoodedswan: Last year, we were presented with undeniable and detailed examples of how the world's leading advocates of anthropogenic global warming falsified their evidence, falsified and destroyed data, subverted the peer review process, and slandered peers who did not conform to their agenda. Fast forward to the present. This month even the IPCC has had to backtrack on reports because they've been forced to admit that they were based on hearsay based on hearsay as opposed to honest science. The list goes on.
I too am amazed at the degree that the "a sizable chunk of the US public will grab onto anything they can to deny" that what we've been told about "global warming" is a fraud.
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John, The IPCC kerfuffle is because of a typo. They should written 2350 rather than 2035. It was a minor piece of a huge report that probably should not have been included but it doesn't invalidate the rest of it. Himalayan glacial melting is still occurring at an accelerated pace.
The CRU emails simply show that scientists are human and can be petty. It's only people so desperate to deny anthropogenic climate change that they take things out of context and twist them to their viewpoint that think there is a worldwide conspiracy of climate researchers to subvert the science. To be true the conspiracy would have had to started at least in the mid 1960's. It's ridiculous to contemplate.
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********- kill off some white mid-westerners instead of african babies, then see who gives a **** about g.w.
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A bit more than a "typo"
How many IPCC scandals do we have going right now? I've lost count. The Himalayan report was based upon hearsay based upon a student's paper, based upon observations made by mountain climbers for an enthusiast magazine. Hardly "science" and hardly a sound basis for reorganizing the entire economy of the western world.
But how seriously can an organization be taken that is lead by a guy who demands that an entire planet be inconvenienced while he can't be bothered to take public transport a mere mile to his own office and writes soft-porn in his spare time?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1247376/Controversial-climate-change-boss-uses-car-AND-driver-travel-mile-office---says-YOU-use-public-transport.html
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The problem with academia being blind to temperature is that policy
at the end of the day is flawed or limited.
Global warming is 100% about health, not just economy. The emissions
and everything we do with development is toxic, if we don't deal with
it or recycle it our bodies will.
I admire Bill and Melinda Gates for their interest but do they know
the computers as well as the components that has made their wealth
isn't recycled at their cost. It isn't recycled at all and is making
people throughout the world sick. Did you know there are 3.5 million
tons of garbage in the Pacific Ocean and that 80% of it is plastics?
Have you seen the study on umbilical cord blood to see if the cord
was a shield and protecting the baby from toxins? The toxicity ratio
was 100% and the study was done in the United States, not
"developing" countries.
Here is a link to show you the cause of urban heat islands which are
causing global warming, it just couldn't be seen before. Scroll down
to the picture of the fetus and click on the image to link to the
study on polluted newborns. http://www.thermoguy.com/urbanheat.html
There are a lot of notable points in Gates’ letter, but the most interesting item comes in his discussion of rich countries aid generosity. Given ballooning deficits of wealthy countries, Gates is right to be worried about foreign aid for preventable diseases. After all, there’s only so much money to go around—even if you are just printing it.
