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What if we all got electric cars?

By | May 27, 2010, 9:07 AM PDT

EnerNex consultant Doug Houseman posed that question today at a smart grid conference in Silicon Valley. The answer? We’re a long way from being ready.

Right now there are a few thousand electric cars, Houseman said, but with the Nissan Leaf — which has a waiting list of 130,000 — the Chevy Volt and other new models coming, we could have several hundred thousand electric cars and hybrids by this time next year.

So what happens then? Here are Houseman’s predictions.

- A stop for fuel will go from about six minutes for gas to 30 minutes for a partial charge — maybe 15 minutes if you are able to swap your battery. A charge with a “garden variety charger” will take about eight hours.

- A 400-plus-pound battery is not easy to change, and not just because it’s heavy. The Chevy Volt’s battery is wedged under the car’s passenger compartment, which it protects from getting crushed, but that also makes it a structural part of the car.

- Most firefighters don’t have equipment to fight electrical fires. They’re fought with chemicals and not water, so you don’t create new conductive paths for the electricity. (However, by the time firefighters get to a car burning on the side of the highway, plastic and upholstery will probably also be burning and it will be a regular fire.)

- Crash test methods will have to change. Water is used in the gas tank now during crash tests, to see where it spills when the car crashes and what the splash path is. But what does it mean during a crash when the battery is penetrated? Before you crash-test an electric car, should you charge it?

- Most houses are not designed for electric cars. Nissan (wisely) plans to send an electrician to your house as part of the purchase price of your car to make sure you have the right fuses and circuit breakers so you can plug it in and charge it.

- Standards are needed for the power grid so cars can negotiate with the utility and with each other on when they can draw power. And what if there are too many cars in one place? Average peak household demand in Kilowatt-hours for an electric car is likely to be far higher than the average demand for the city it’s in.

- Car batteries have to be recycled. Also, most of the lithium used for car batteries comes from Chile and other South American countries. These are friendly countries that trade with the U.S., but could the U.S. end up depending on a lithium cartel?

- Electric cars are still expensive (although that will also dampen their popularity). If a Nissan Versa is $10,000 and a Nissan Leaf with a rebate is $30,000, what would that extra $20,000 buy you? Even if gas is $5 a gallon, you could buy 4,000 gallons of gas. At 30 miles per gallon, you could drive 120,000 miles.

So how much are you able to pay, right now, to be greener?

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How much are we able to pay?
We aren't able to pay for these kinds of cars. Not yet.

As with any new technology, though, let the richer and wealthier adopt the new technology thus creating a bigger market for all of the support that the technology needs to work, eventually, everything will become more efficient and eventually I'll be able to buy an electric car not because I'm wealthy enough, but because they have made it into my price range.
Posted by xioc1138
27th May 2010
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RE: What if we all got electric cars?
they'd be powered by gasoline powered generators as well as batteries
just like the Chevy Volt and would allow a smooth transition for the grid
as cars became more heavily dependent on grid-stored power.
Posted by Vailhem@...
27th May 2010
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RE: What if we all got electric cars?
unless there is an enormously radical change in batteries, one thing that will not happen is the taking of long trips by automobile. we will all stay close to home. imagine stopping every hour or hour and a half to spend 30 plus minutes recharging your battery, provided one can find a charger and can afford the cost. no one is going to give it away for free.
the whole idea , if it can be done , is great, but we are far from ready to use all electric autos for anything but just local transportation, and only then when they become affordable.
Posted by stilt21
27th May 2010
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Our electric bills...
...will make us think fondly of $4/gallon gasoline.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
27th May 2010
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RE: What if we all got electric cars?
I want my electric car. 300 miles per charge like the Tesla.
If mass produced we could all afford them. Trucks on LNG
and electric trains. Of course we'll need more nuke plants.
Posted by Aboleyn
27th May 2010
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RE: What if we all got electric cars?
Pollution will increase. New IC engined cars are mostly SULEV or PZEV, where the emissions level is often lower than ambient. Power companies are sophisticated businesses. Whether it is a high power demand time in the middle of a summer afternoon or a low power demand time in the night, they generate power for an optimum combination of lowest cost and lowest emissions. Recharging an EV adds to the electric load. The lowest emissions are at the highest level of the generators in use, and increase from there. The emissions will be higher, and greater than an equivalent IC engine. In addition, often the EV consumes more power than the equivalent IC vehicle. For example, driving a Tesla from San Francisco to LA on Interstate 5 at the prevailing 75 mph takes several times the BTUs as a Prius and requires 6 recharges. Some improvement! It is likely this power will be generated from a carbon based source, which just shifts imported oil consumption from cars to power companies. There is a down loadable spreadsheet at bit.ly/auHe4d that allows the user to examine this in more detail.
Posted by msd1107
27th May 2010
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RE: What if we all got electric cars?
Intriguing and thoughtful article, enjoyed it.

I have read many posts that the manufacture and disposal of batteries would polute more than would be prevented. Maybe SmartPlanet could investigate if this.

I believe that the electric car will be temporary or specialized in the future, i.e. restricted city/local use. Most future personal transportation will, likely, use hydrogen. Then we will be discussing the humidiy problem.

Remember, a solution to one problem will just highlight a different problem we need to address.
Posted by DadsPad
27th May 2010
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RE: What if we all got electric cars?
Part of what will happen is that the cars themselves will likely become
part of the grid with the batteries being used to store "surplus" power
during the day and smooth out the flow. This would require more plug
in spots at work places though.

Pollution will get more centralized around the power generators.
This means very little for solar and hydro sources, somewhat more with
nuclear, and lots more with diesel and coal. Hopefully the efficiencies
will more than offset the other problems.

Part of the problem will come about is that gas will actually drop in
price as demand drops due to the switch. I'm willing to bet that
governments will seize on this as an opportunity to add taxes to the
costs, which in turn might be used to subsidize the costs for the
upgrades to the grid and lowering the costs of the new cars.
Posted by richard233
27th May 2010
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RE: What if we all got electric cars?
You have forgotten to mention the biggest point against electric cars, 85-90% of our electrical power is not green. You will be charging your car with electrical power generated with coal and natural gas, and a smaller part nuclear, with a very minute part solar and wind. We are simply not ready for electric cars on the basis of going green.
Posted by skudera@...
27th May 2010
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you are right, we are not ready, but if we just seat there untll we are...
nothing will get done...

as we adapt the new tech the infrastructure will be build, and who knows maybe we will develope better greener way to make electircity along the way...
Posted by vbp1
7th Sep
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Tesla range is wrong
the regular test run for Tesla before production was LA to Las Vegas non-stop, no recharging. They kept doing it at higher average speeds to see how long the battery charge lasted. The final runs were averaging an illegal speed and they had 10% charge to spare. Recharge times vary by the charger. With a commercial 440V system you can get approximately 80% recharge in 15 to 20 minutes. At home 220V takes around 4 hours, 110v takes around 10 hours.
Posted by mswift@...
27th May 2010
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If you think that's bad
Some of your same arguments apply to hydrogen cars. In particular, the third argument.
-Hydrogen always leaks
-Hydrogen flames are invisible
-Hydrogen ignites when in contact with Pt or Pd (Catalytic Converters)

So, in every accident involving a hydrogen powered vehicle, there will be a high likelihood of an invisible fire for the first responders to deal with.
Posted by rreinhold058@...
27th May 2010
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RE: What if we all got electric cars?
Lithium can be derived from ocean water. In fact, much of the
advanced lithium-ion storage technologies require a purer lithium
who's process is just as costly to get from ocean water as mined
from other countries. Changing batteries? charging in hours?
Again, Smart planet (first word being key there), check out the
newer lithium technologies... these charge much much faster. Most
importantly.... why even the worry about charging time or switch out
time... esp when using the Volt as an example... IT RUNS ON
GASOLINE.

Dana, you're awesome, your article on high fructose corn syrup and
blood pressure was praised and recommended by me all day today.
Your articles on power are just up in the air and presented all wrong.
Its almost like you're paid to slow/drag the progress of the industry
down, not make it "smart" and help it along.
Posted by Vailhem@...
27th May 2010
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RE: What if we all got electric cars?
Firefighters and rescue crews in general are leery of electric cars - with 600V cabling running inside the frame members, it may get ... interesting ... if they have to cut into the vehicles to save entrapped occupants.
Posted by fairportfan
27th May 2010
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RE: What if we all got electric cars?
I think a better question is what if we all got electric cars AND a solar charging station for them. Then the grid is only taxed on cloudy days but boosted on sunny days(extra solar power being put into the grid.) Its not rocket science and its not that hard to implement. We just need the cars and power stations to be affordable...oh and gas stations could pretty easily add electric charging pumps (and solar panels). If you want to travel across the country, fly or take the train for pete's sake ;p
Posted by IndredKold
27th May 2010
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RE: What if we all got electric cars?
It doesn't matter if a electric car fire became a regular fire because "...plastic and upholstery will probably also be burning...". Firefighters will have to assume it was an electrical fire. Water can create a conductive path and if firemen tried to use water on this type of fire they would run the risk of either being electrocuted or receiving severe electrical burns (depending on the voltage and amperage involved).
Posted by Marc Erickson
27th May 2010
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RE: What if we all got electric cars?
on the safety issues... we have airbags... couldn't the same MEMs be
designed to do an emergency disconnection of the battery/engine from
the rest of the cabling in the event of a.....n airbag deployment? seems
to make sense to me?
Posted by Vailhem@...
28th May 2010
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RE: What if we all got electric cars?
AMERICA SHOULD DECLARE ITS ENERGY INDEPENDENCE

America has 1/4th the coal on planet Earth and 100 years worth of natural gas. If citizens demand it, these resources could be used to establish United States energy independence in a matter of a few years. Declaring our energy independence would greatly reduce the US trade imbalance, keep capital in this country for job creation and deny funds to Middle East terrorists.

Existing fleets of automobiles can readily be retrofitted to run on natural gas and would be more practical than subsidizing electric cars that have limited range and long recharge cycles.

BUT THE GLOBAL WARMING SCAM, FOREIGN TAX CREDITS, AND CAP & TRADE GUARANTEE THE STATUS QUO FOR INTERNATIONAL OIL COMPANIES, OPEC AND TERRORISM:
The oil embargo of 1973 began the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of the world. - RAL

Remember that game called what OPEC could buy, in 1975, the whole New York Times Company for one and a half hours' surplus. It could buy the Washington Post Company, with Newsweek and all its TV stations, with another one and a half hours' surplus. It could buy all the American media, ABC, CBS, the Los Angeles Times---the works---in a week, and it could buy all the stocks on the London exchange in eight months, arithmetically speaking. It takes a big scale to rock a big system. (from pgs. 243-244 Paper Money @1981 by Adam Smith hardback)

The United States agreed to transfer jobs and technology to developing countries under INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENT Algiers Declaration 1975

A major portion of the planned or new petrochemical complexes, oil refineries and fertilizer plants be built in the territories of OPEC Member Countries with the co-operation of industrialized nations for export purposes to the developed countries with guaranteed access for such products to the markets of these countries.

FOREIGN TAX CREDITS FOR INTERNATIONAL OIL COMPANIES
In 1977 Representative Benjamin Rosenthal of New York produced secret Internal Revenue Service documents going back to 1950. They showed that the tax laws of Saudi Arabia were drafted with the help of Aramco to call the added price of oil not a ??royalty?? or ??cost of doing business,?? as was proper, but an income tax.?? The Saudis did this knowing that income tax paid to a foreign country is deductible from the income taxes an oil company pays the United States on all income received in the United States by the parent firm. From The Media Monopoly by Ben H. Bagdikian

??This plan was approved in secret session of the National Security Council and carried out without any request for authorization by Congress. A quarter of a century later, when members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee un-earthed details, the source of the king's added income had become too self-evident for comment.?? From Oil Power The Rise and Fall of An American Empire by Carl Solberg

??This practice, perfected in Saudi Arabia, was quickly adopted elsewhere. Eventually, every oil-producing nation where American companies had a concession enacted an income tax law to increase its oil revenue by tapping the foreign tax credit provision of the U.S. Internal Revenue Code.?? From pgs. 183-190 America: Who Really Pays The Taxes by Donald L.Barlett & James B. Steele paperback

??Since that time the major multinational U.S. oil companies have paid hardly a penny of U.S. income tax on their foreign income.?? page130 BANKS BORROWERS, AND THE ESTABLISHMENT
Posted by Repeal
28th May 2010
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Would you please go back to having all comments a default
Right now, when I read an article, it looks like only tweeters are commenting. Having to clik on XX Comments at the top is slow and misrepresents those that care enough to reply or add to your excellent articles.
Posted by DadsPad
1st Jun 2010
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RE: What if we all got electric cars?
This analysis smugly ignores certain realities, among them, that most electrics are being offered in very limited markets as the infrastructure is created to accommodate them.

Response to their stupid comments:
1) the stop for a battery swap is not 15 minutes bu under 2 minutes as the "better place" video demonstrates - less time than to fill up your gas tank, so EVs win there! If we talk about alternative lithium technology, super chargers can recharge 100% (who waits until their gas tank is empty, huh?) in 10 minutes. (google altairnano or search in youtube). The length of a partial charge also depends on how partial, plus you can plug in and charge at some parking lots already.
2) a heavy battery is not hard to change if a machine, a la battery swap in the "better place" setup, is doing it. If you're not talking battery swap but changing at the end of life, you would have pulled your ICE already by that time, which is a LOT heavier and boy it is hard to get out, uhn uhn, and expensive - EVs win here too!
3) If firefighters are not currently prepared to take care of electrical fires, they will be as EVs and hybrids proliferate. Water is not great at putting out petrol fires either, numbskulls. Firefighters get retrained and re-outfitted all the time as necessity dictates.
4) Current houses can be retrofitted as necessary and new houses build accordingly to accommodate EVs. People upgrade their houses, buildings all the time for AC, insulation etc. - what's the big deal?
5) We're already exposed to an oil cartel, a lithium cartel would be an even exchange, plus, the lithium in the stream would stay there as it gets recycled rather than having to be replaced as oil needs to be. Lithium is only one technology - there are others being offered (see the Th!nk website).
6) As for the grid, the more we are efficient in traditional electricity uses, such as lighting and AC, the more headroom will be available for EVs. Increased home power generation and building generation (parking garages with PV panels, e.g.) will augment this. A smarter grid would help too.
7) Of course EVs are expensive - they're not mass-produced.

These are all arguments for never changing what we do - we never would have adopted cars (hey, no gas stations! hey, nobody knows how to fix it! hey, too many dirt roads!). There will not be enough plug-ins to cause problems any time soon.

How many people die and how much money is lost from oil related incidents? Coal related incidents?
Posted by swatter
1st Jun 2010
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RE: What if we all got electric cars?
Oh, forgot to mention:

While I eat dinner and sleep, I can charge my car and never have to go to a station, unlike with that other ancient technology. AND, what happens with that other technology if you run out of gas in the middle of nowhere? It's scary!

I also forgot to mention that the maintenance and repair costs of electrics are puny by comparison to ICEs - no fuel system, no cooling system, no exhaust system, less wear on brakes (regenerative braking), less heat and violence generated, no oil changes, no belts etc. Electrics and hybrids also turn off in traffic while ICEs keep running.
Posted by swatter
1st Jun 2010
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RE: What if we all got electric cars?
Just read some from the misinformed:

Utilities generate excess generation at night - more power than is used - because it's too expensive for them to ramp down to actual demand and them come back to peak the next day. As a result, the first wave of plug-ins will have a zero carbon footprint, even when all their power comes from coal, if they recharge at night. No one's electric rates will increase from this and the cost of charging under these conditions will be much less than the price of gasoline.

As there is more effort being paid to electrical efficiency in homes and buildings, and to generating power from renewables, we should expect that as the numbers of plug-ins grow, more "clean" power should be available to them from non-auto efficiency increases and more renewable generation.

Concerns here are misplaced.
Posted by swatter
1st Jun 2010
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RE: What if we all got electric cars?
For those who think hydrogen is the answer, check out Joe Romm's book: The Hype over Hydrogen. Every supposed problem for EVs is real and greater for hydrogen, and then some.
Posted by swatter
1st Jun 2010
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RE: What if we all got electric cars?
in addition to what swatter has already stated...

batteries are getting lighter and more powerful all the time... one such upcomming battery is actually composite mostly out of paper coated with an electrically conductive substance, that is supposed to get the same power as batteries today with a fraction of the weight, AND ad fraction of the cost, with much less environmental manage.. and no reliance on cartels for hard to get materials for fuel, oil, nickel, lithium, lead, not other materials used in traditional batteries (hydrogen would bypass this also), plus they can be outfitted with cheap photovoltic panel (and their mass production would perpetual make them cheaper until they reach about 100% over purely the production cost as the R&D would long since be paid for if this happened).

also just for people that don't know/remember before the cold war really started getting heated up we almost had nuclear powered cars... and guess what they're not making a come back, atleast in theory, several manufactures are working on these again.

as for most of our electricity in north america coming from dirty fuel thats true but even they burn cleaner pound for pound than internal combustion engines... they just work on a much, MUCH higher scale.

as for people calling global warming a hoax, get educated... if that doesn't work charter a plane to somewhere that used to be famous for their glacier that are now becoming ponds, lakes and rivers, at a rate about 3.1 times rate than when global; warming first became a major concern, the 1960's)... which is just one of many reason to get off oil and coal... if for nothing else pollution should seal the deal even if you are ignorant enough to deny global warming... and FYI, its been proven on the large scale (global warming), smale scale (urban heat island effect) and laboratory test (greenhouse gas).

in my opinion EVERY house built should be built with solar panels, every electric/hybrid car should be built with photovoltic cells... that would dramtically cut down on energy cost for everyone. then would could start mandating the closure of the oil and coal companies rather than the reoppening of previously closed coal plants.
Posted by Daryl420
2nd Jun 2010
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RE: What if we all got electric cars?
All the green benefits we are looking for in a car can be better satisfied by everyone riding horses. There is just no profit incentive to the corporations we have allowed to replace our parents as the providers of all our solutions, in marketing a product that replaces it's self for free, creates no "aftermarket" for parts and repairs, and runs on what grows for free by the side of the road. Electric cars are just a bandaid on the real problem nobody wants to face: There are too many people alive at one time on the planet.

PS: Mamma GE, Poppa BP says keep up the distractions.
Posted by grasshopper2469@...
2nd Jun 2010
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Why all the negativity?
It is possible that all the consequences of EVs are negative? Couldn't Ms Gage think of a single positive thing to say about EVs. Is there really any technology change that is as one-sidedly negative as the article suggests EVs are? I don't think so.
If you want a line by line discussion of why the authors points are wrong, check out EVcast 370.
In the mean time I suggest that you remove "Thinking Tech" from your website because you were clearly not thinking on this one.
OK, I can't resist.
"Stopping for fuel" oh wait, I don't have to stop for fuel anymore. I have an EV and I spend 30 seconds plugging it in at home.
"Can't change the battery" Oh, wait, I don't have to.
"Fires" 1,000,000 Priuses sold, firefighters have already been retrained. BTW, solar panels have the same issue.
"Outlets" ah, if you buy a Chevy Volt, a normal outlet will be sufficient.
"Need to communicate with Power Grid" Let's change that to, it would be nice to do that. EVs don't bear any special burden in this regard. You might have just as well say we cannot have electric water heaters unless they can communicate with the grid.
"Nissan Versa?" What a ridiculous comparison. The $10,000 Versa is nowhere near the level of trim that the LEAF is. Secondly, I think a more reasonable comparison is someone interested in a Prius, might consider the LEAF instead. In that regard, I think the LEAF price is less of an issue.

John C. Briggs
Posted by JohnCBriggs
3rd Jun 2010
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The article touched on something that no-one else has pointed out
I fly RC models and use high-current LiPo batteries to power them.

Those things are lethal. Inches long, hundred gram bombs just waiting for an excuse to go off. I only use them because theres a lot of distance between me and them if it crashes, I would not put one under my seat any more than I'd carry it in my pocket - ask any RC enthusiast.

Never mind hundreds of amps being dumped unceremoniously through equipment or people - LiPo do not like being shorted, and have a tendency to at least swell and often explode with little warning. They also do this if punctured or impacted with a blunt object, and sometimes for no apparent reason, and the effect from it is always catastrophic.

RC LiPo are commonly around 100 to 200watts, not an insane amount of power like you'd find in a full-sized vehicle and the detonation from those little things can kill. Whichever way you total it up, as electrical energy, joules, or PSI its just not funny.

The dangers from LiPo are up there with pressurised fuel systems and hydrogen.

One other thing; flatten a LiPo totally and its ruined, permanently. Its not like running out of gas, you need a new one if you dont make it to a charging station.
Posted by SiO2
3rd Jun 2010
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RE: What if we all got electric cars?
Here is something that people just don't think about.
The highways in the United States are paid for by taxes generated from gasoline and diesel sales. Some states have higher taxes than others. New York and Pennsylvania being the highest at over 31 cents per gallon and Alaska being the lowest at 8 cents per gallon.
Now imagine what would happen if millions of cars just stopped buying gasoline. What would happen to that tax money? Well, we all know the government is *NOT* going to give up taxes...Now consider that the main reason for charging a car off of the Electrical grid costs. According to Scientific American, the cost to fully charge an electric vehicle is 75 cents per gallon. Now add in the 31 cents per gallon tax from the government, and we are at $1.06/gallon equivalent for electrical cars. Now, consider that the power grid will need updating because it just cannot handle millions of plug in cars. So, double the 75 cents/gallon to $1.50/gallon, then add in the 31 cents for taxes (government will probably tax all electricity since there is no way to distinguish a car from an airconditioner) and the average US home uses 980KWh/month. At an average of 8 cents/KWh, consider an additional penny for taxes /KW and that's $9.80 cents in taxes per month additional. If you charge your car twice a month (like a gasoline car is filled twice per month) that adds an additional $4.50 to fill up your electric car..
Taxes folks...the Government is not going to look the other way when it finds out that it's gasoline tax base is getting erroded by electrical cars
Posted by tech_ed@...
4th Jun 2010
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RE: What if we all got electric cars?
@tech_ed

who says they have tio give up the tax... it'll be probably two decades until the atleast 2/3rd cars in north america are electric (not hybrid-electric, which is a useful technology designed to prolong what should have rightly been a dead technology more than a decader ago; the internal combustion engine) so they'll have plenty of gas taxes... and yes for those people that have swithced over the goverment HAS given up that tax... and in most cases even gave a tax INCENTIVE for doing it.

and as that does lessen in revenue theuy should be imposing higher taxes for oil and coal energy would yeild MANY times more than a simple gas tax, while at the same time dedicating a portion of that to a NATIONALIZED green energy service on both the industrilal end (power generation) and the manufacturing end (nationally owned and run factories that produce solar panels/cell), and yes, they should be nationalized as they would be funded by the tax payers and as such they should rightly own it, profits would be operated like profit-sharing on national level as an annual tax rebate.

trust me they'll always have another revenue stream... the best people can hope for is that it actually functions in their and the rest of their countries best intrest.
Posted by Daryl420
4th Jun 2010
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RE: What if we all got electric cars?
So the net result would be we'd accomplish nothing, and make things probably worse.

1) Electric is better than Gas/Oil!!! - No, because it has to be derived from somewhere. Right now, that would mean having to build more coal/oil/natural gas plants. Therefore, we'd simply use the gas saved at the pump in our power plants to deliver the electricity to us.

2) It'll take 30 minutes to charge and swapping out probably can't happen - So basically, depending on the charge range, I could barely make it to work and back (140 miles round-trip) before I'm stuck recharging. Awesome plan. Especially for those of us who don't live in major metropolitan areas. And what about long distance trips? I guess it's either stopping constantly in a car, taking a train (oh wait, we don't have nearly the rail infrastructure to support that in the US anymore) or fly, which I've yet to see an electric plane. Guess we won't be coming to see you again this year Grandma.

3) We'll build a renewable energy grid!!! - To accomplish our current power needs, we'd have to cover every square inch of America with solar panels, wind towers and hydroelectric dams. And that's before we get to the protests about how those methods will kill birds, destroy ecosystems, etc. Sorry to burst your bubble, but unless you're talking nuclear power, the only efficient form of power comes from fossil fuels right now.

4) Cost - Hey, I know, let me plunk down the cost of a house on my car! Sweet! I'm sure I'll make back the money in the long run in operating costs! What's that? It costs several thousand dollars to replace the battery, and they go dead every few years? But how will I make my awesome savings??? I guess I'll just have to bike 70 miles each way to my job...

Yet again, people generating unnecessary 'solutions' to problems that don't exist without thinking of the ultimate consequences. But I'm sure the only reason the 'horseless carriage' caught on in the first place was because of massive government subsidies and social pressure, not because it was a technology that made sense and succeeded because of market forces.
Posted by branchman67
22nd Jun 2010
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