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Toshiba gets A-, Best Buy C-

By | January 8, 2010, 4:23 AM PST

A couple of posts ago, fellow blogger Dana Blankenhorn asked if 2010 would be the year of the tablet computer. Maybe so, but for me, the past three months made 2009 the year of low ball laptop for me.

Yes, I am an open box and closeout fanatic. I pass all the shiny new units and head right for the locked cage at Best Buy where they’re kept. And that’s what I did on Nov. 23, picking up a Toshiba M505-S4945 for a mere $415 or close to a third off the original price. Yes, it came with the older Microsoft Vista operating with a free upgrade for Windows 7 through the mail, but the deal was too good to pass up.

Two weeks after my purchase, the display failed and for the life of me I could not think how I could have damaged it. I took it back to Best Buy in early December where a Geek Squader told me there was nothing he could do. He summoned his boss who immediately pointed the finger at me and claimed the display had suffered an impact although I could not recall any such incident.

Best Buy also told me it would be expensive to fix and that I was out of luck. Fortunately my wife was with me said she would take her business elsewhere, which prompted the manager to offer an open box HP Pavilion dv4 2045dx for $290 or about half the price it is going for now. I bought the HP machine and it has performed well.

Well, there’s an even happier ending to this story. Toshiba Repair just sent back the M505 with a brand new display free of charge. And here’s the truth of the matter: while I was haggling with the Best Buy manager, I recalled stepping ever so lightly on the M505 when it closed on the floor - but not hard enough to damage it. After all, the unit worked properly for a day or more after that. If a display gets banged up and damaged, I suspect it would stop working then and there.

Nonetheless, Toshiba’s attempt to keep me happy confirmed my faith in a company that once dominated the market for laptops. I prevailed going through normal channels and without a fight to boot.

Here’s how it went: a week ago, I called Toshiba repair after glaring at my new boat anchor. I tried configuring it as my wife’s desktop using her monitor and keyboard, but that did not work so well. A phone rep gave me an incident number and instructed me how to ship it on Toshiba’s dime to a repair depot in Louisville.

He cautioned that I might have to pay for the repair myself if the damage occurred outside what’s covered in the warranty. To my delight, the repaired computer arrived at my house today. Toshiba wants repeat customers.

No matter that I have two laptops now - my wife needed one too.

As for Best Buy, it gets gets a C-. Here’s why: Best Buy put on the full court press to get me to buy an extended warranty which depending on the plan cost up to $280 or thereabouts. After all, I had broken my computer and needed an extended warranty plus accident protection, they argued.  Right? I said “no, no and no” and that my buying bible Consumer Reports advises against them.

The Best Buy manager shot back that CR does recommend extended warranties for laptops which a little web research showed to be false. CR addressed laptops specifically it in a 2007 article (“why you don’t need an extended warranty”) acknowledging the high repair rate for laptops, but adding that most problems occur after the coverage period. The only blessing it gave was to Apple’s Applecare extended warranty and support.

CR reaffirmed that position last month calling extended warranties for appliances and electronics “notoriously bad deals.” I’m not sure if the store manager was trying to scare me into buying one or just ill-informed.  What’s more, Best Buy’s Geek Squader and his boss were far too quick to blame me for the problem. Bad idea.

As for Toshiba, it did its job well. My only gripe is that it took it a month to ship me Windows 7 and that the laptop broke in the first place. But I know now from experience that Toshiba is a company that stands behind its products and customers.

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RE: Toshiba gets A-, Best Buy C-
Have always beena fan of Toshiba, BestBuy on the other hand doesn;t seem to care to much about it's customers after they have your money...
Posted by Cubbie
8th Jan 2010
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RE: Toshiba gets A-, Best Buy C-
John, I haven't spent a single nickle at Best buy since an incident about 3 years ago.

I have no local Best Buy bricks & mortar. The nearest such store is a 5 hour drive one-way. I travel frequently on business and on one such trip, I purchased a $10 Ethernet cable. The cable turned out to be defective when I got around to plugging it in when I got home. I paid cash and had the receipt.

Bestbuy.com told me I had to return it to the store where I purchased it for replacement or refund - yeah right. The store was half the country from my home. But I placed the long distance call and asked about doing a replacement via mail. The store manager flat-out refused. I could go to any store, but it had to be in-person.

I finally mailed the cable to my son-in-law who had a nearby Best Buy store. I told him to refund the cable (luckily I paid cash) and keep the refund for his trouble.

For not having a local store, I used to spend a goodly amount at Best Buy during my travels - even had a credit account with them. By now, their horrible customer service has cost them plenty of sales and lots of bad advertising (every chance I get). All over a $10 Ethernet cable.
Posted by Jim Johnson
8th Jan 2010
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Found Toshiba product real nice...
Picked up a TOSHIBA NB L505D-S5986 RT at NewEgg.com on "Black Friday" for $400 - basically same specs as yours, 15.6" display with AMD CPU and Windows 7 Home Premium loaded. Had not looked at Toshiba product for several years, and was pleasantly surprised. This is a well-designed unit, and so far works fine. Glad to hear that support/service is there if needed.
Posted by randysmith@...
8th Jan 2010
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RE: Toshiba gets A-, Best Buy C-
I rarely buy at Best Buy after they were caught having internal sites that did not match the pricing I found when looking from home or elsewhere. I had learned way back to print out the page and they would honor the pricing otherwise they would not. They still hold to the same practice. With that said I did buy a 40" Samsung LCD just this week and it was a very good price new in the box unit. Did not get the extended warranty as most issues with LCDs I have owned occur in the first few weeks to few months and that is covered by the 1 year Mfg warranty.
Posted by geoff@...
8th Jan 2010
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RE: Toshiba gets A-, Best Buy C-
I should note that Best Buy did give me the HP Pavilion dv4 for half
price...and the half price still holds today. But I always thought the
help was poorly trained....I'd need help and a bunch of them would be
standing around talking with one another. The deals are good, but not
service and support in my experience.
Posted by John Dodge
8th Jan 2010
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I just had my worst experience yet with best buy. I made a major purchase of 3 household appliances as a gift for my son's family. When I was offered a best buy card I accepted for the 0% interest deals. I placed the order and first thing they were back ordered on some of the accessories needed to use the major items, then when delivered the gas range was badly damaged. After working hard and making threats to return the entire purchase they replaced it. Then when I got my statment I found I was paying over 20% interest. I made calls totaling over 4 hours being transfered all arround I was informed that they have 2 types of card and the rewardzone card did not qualify for interest free, even though I had confirmed with the rep that I was making the purchase with them for the interest (the prices were good but...) finaly I was told "sorry that is just how it is and I should apply for the other card" I paid the account in full and will never purchase anything at best buy again! Oh and before I forget in my rant I have bought more then 10 laptops from Toshiba since the 90's and have found the product and service quailty excelent every time.
Posted by sail422@...
8th Jan 2010
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same problems here with best buy, and on a toshiba laptop.only a L505-s6951. this one was a sealed box brand new one, the display didn't work when turned on the second time,

bestbuy's manager stated you should have purchased a extended warrenty, it was dropped,sure,it's used as a desktop and not moved or closed. told him i was a certified computer software,hardware tech and gave them some of this former squids well learned words,took the laptop home, called toshiba, got a rma. and a free repair of what turned out to be a bad display.

extended warrenty's they all push or try to push them. bestbuy,sears. staples, on and on. worthless extra cost garabge the sales/check out person is brain washed to push at you for a commission of the charge.
Posted by charlieg1
9th Jan 2010
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RE: Toshiba gets A-, Best Buy C-
I have heard with several folks who've had problems w Toshiba laptop
displays. Found a couple of interesting links...first says 1 out of 3
laptops die within three years...second says Toshiba and Asus make the
most reliable laptops....


http://www.carbonite.com/blog/post/2009/11/Laptop-Failure-Rates.aspx

http://www.eschoolnews.com/news/around-the-web/index.cfm?i=61894
Posted by John Dodge
9th Jan 2010
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Toshiba DOES NOT always stand behind their laptops
I had a Toshiba laptop which I sold a year ago and bought an
iMac. My iPhone replaced all the music, movie and internet
functions I purchased a laptop for. The copper colored case
cracked thru normal wear and tear. Thank goodness I had
purchased the extended warranty. I took it to the local
authorized repair depot and received it back 1 MONTH later.
They replaced the cover. 6 months later, the lid cracked
around the hinges AGAIN. They replaced the fault cover with
another faulty cover. Again I took it in and got it back in 2
weeks this time. Same color cover and no guarantee that it
wouldn't happen again. Immediately sold it before the hinges
had time to crack and WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER TOSHIBA
LAPTOP AGAIN! Never once was that product recalled or fully
replaced. Buyer beware with Toshiba designs.......
Posted by scoobyJ
9th Jan 2010
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RE: Toshiba gets A-, Best Buy C-
My horrible experience with Best Buy/Geek Squad and an HP laptop (and an extended warranty) is on my blog at:
http://mentaljotto.blogspot.com/
Postscript is they are sending me a $50 gift card. The least they could do, as far as I'm concerned. This was NOT my fault, I DID buy the expensive extended warranty (and renewed it), and they made at least three negligent mistakes that kept my computer hostage for weeks. And the slackers at the store had a bad attitude to boot. So $50 won't keep me from repeating my story..
Posted by docfeetz
9th Jan 2010
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RE: Toshiba gets A-, Best Buy C-
Don't know anything about Toshibas, but since the closure of Circuit City, the Best Buy store that was a quarter mile away from it has NOT had as good a pricing policy. Management has been more "officious" and dead-set against any type of "price-matching".
Posted by JTF243@...
9th Jan 2010
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RE: Toshiba gets A-, Best Buy C-
JTF234,

That's because Best Buy is a monopoly now. There's no other national
electronics retailer in our area. That said, I've found Best Buy's
prices better than what I can find online....first time I've ever seen
Amazon consistently underpriced.
Posted by John Dodge
10th Jan 2010
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RE: Toshiba gets A-, Best Buy C-
My brother-in-law bought a Toshiba laptop from Best Buy just before the holidays. He paid and extra fee (around $100 as I recall) for Geek Squad to set up his laptop completely, make his backup disks and to install MS Office that he purchased at the same time.

After he brought the laptop home, I was helping him try to get his new laptop connected to his wireless router but couldn't get the wireless to work. First, Best Buy said that it didn't come with a wireless card but a quick search of the Best Buy website clearly showed that it did. Next they claimed that we must be doing something wrong. I'm not a hardware expert but have built a couple of my own systems and have been doing hardware/software troubleshooting for 10+ years.

When my brother-in-law finally got the laptop into Geek Squad, they sheepishly admitted that it must be a defective wireless NIC. Apparently their setup after purchase wasn't very thorough or this would have been caught before the laptop was delivered.

Oh, and Geek Squad neglected to install Office even though they charged for this service. I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.
Posted by tcadle@...
10th Jan 2010
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I'd hesitate to let the Geek Squad work on a computer of mine. I don't
blame them as much as the clear lack of training Best Buy gives it
help.

Best Buy charged $40 to install the `free' Windows 7 upgrade on Vista
PCs. That's you could get it in a week instead of the month it took the
computer vendor to ship out Windows 7 upgrade. That's not my definition
of free.
Posted by John Dodge
11th Jan 2010
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I used to be a big Best Buy fan...
...until sometime in the early '90s, when they just turned downright dishonest.

My favorite example was when I was purchasing a desktop computer for a client. After the usual "upsell" attempts (which I didn't need as this computer was just a drop-in replacement for some other failed hardware) the salesperson scanned a disc, and placed in with the computer. I was then asked to sign the signature pad even before he'd scanned my credit card. The pad had a bunch of legalese that concluded with "I have read and understand the terms of the agreement..." and something about Microsoft.

I asked "What terms of what agreement?" He responded that it was no big deal, something about free stuff that comes with the computer. I wondered why I had to sign an "agreement" for something that supposedly was "free". I responded "Well, I can?t sign this. I have neither read nor understand whatever 'agreement' this is talking about. At best, signing this would be fraud on my part, and at worst I'd be agreeing to some sort of contract of which I am totally unaware of. What kind of idiot signs such a thing without even asking what it's all about?" Seemingly annoyed by my obstinacy, the salesperson finally acquiesces, looks around the terminal area, and finally produces a sheet outlining the "agreement". Even then, it still took me a good minute or so of reading the mouse-type before I realized what I was about to sign: A contract for MSN Internet access! "I'm signing up for overpriced dial-up Internet access? I don't need Internet access!" The salesperson responds that "Well, it's free for 3 months, and then you can cancel it." I exclaim "So what? It just means that I will have to waste an indeterminate amount of my time canceling something that I didn't need or want in the first place. And you know what a pain they make it to cancel these things. My time is way too valuable to waste over nonsense like this."

I wrote Best Buy about this incident. Not surprisingly, they did not reply.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
12th Jan 2010
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Toshiba A-, Best Buy C-
I've also worked with systems for years, and I've seen failures of all makes of equipment from many different vendors. I have to give props to Toshiba, though. Consistently good products, and they're ALWAYS quick to make good on any defective equipment, often going beyond what would normally be expected. Same with Panasonic.

As for Best Buy, what do you really expect? The employees definitely don't make 'big buck' IT or electronics money, so you're going to get sales and techs that are 'less than premium', with the odd exception. I buy from there only because I can tell them exactly what's happened when something goes wrong.

Oddly enough, I used to work for hpshopping.com when there was a shortage of work a few years back. When I told as much as I knew to a typical customer, they'd often respond, "I'll have to talk to a neighbour or someone at Best Buy/Circuit City to confirm that..." To an 'average' person, the people that work at those stores are Gods. wink
Posted by info@...
13th Jan 2010
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I have 3 complaints about Best Buy. First, they are way overpriced. $19.99 for a SATA cable. Way too expensive.
Second, lack of assortment. They had one size SATA cable in stock, an 18" cable.Third, 2 times I asked an employee where something was. One was a USB Ethernet adapter. He said they stopped making them when wireless came out. This was 2 years ago. I found one about 2 aisles away from where he tried looking. Second item was an AC converter to plug into a cigarette lighter. I was standing looking at them when I overheard an employee telling my wife (after 5 minutes of looking for it) that they didn't carry them.
Posted by tom@...
13th Jan 2010
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I used to be an avid Best Buy customer, but will never go in any of their stores again. Last year, after receiving a gift card for BB as a Christmas gift, I went in the local store, found something I wanted (it was more than the gift card) and proceeded to the checkout. When attempting to use my BB credit card, it was refused. The pimply faced cashier said that if it hadn't been used within 90 days (it hadn't) the accounts were automatically canceled. You would think in this day and age, they could have notified me of this practice.
Posted by drumbeat
13th Jan 2010
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RE: Toshiba gets A-, Best Buy C-
Toshiba deaerves an F-. I have (had) a Quosmio purchased in 7/07 that completely crashed. A quick search on the web reveals the issue is problematic with this model. I wrote Toshiba in hopes of obtaining assistance. They called to say "tuff". In the interim someone brought me another Toshiba not as old as mine. It also crashed. In both instances, it was a motherboard failure. No more Toshibas for me!
Posted by hrodgers@...
13th Jan 2010
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RE: Toshiba gets A-, Best Buy C-
I would have to RATE best-buy a F
I have worked in retail many times throughout my 20+ years in Computer Repair & the NUMBER ONE thing I KNOW about WARRANTIES... That is WHERE Retail Companies MAKE MAJOR PROFITS (that is WHY the best buy manager was so PUSHY)!!!
Just think, even with HP Laptops' (over) 25% Hardware Failure rate in the first 3 Years, best buy is MAKING 75% PURE PROFIT on the Warranties it sells (and to think how much they are making with Toshiba's LOW under 14% failure rate in the same 3 Years)!!!
That is WHY I HAVE to GIVE best buy an F!!!
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13th Jan 2010
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Posted by sabridino
Updated - 18th Jan 2010
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Notebook Batteries; Best Buy Warranties/Service Plans for Open Box/Refurbs
Notebook Life & Batteries; Factors to Get A New PC; Best Buy
Warranties/Service Plans for Open Box/Refurbs

I have an operating Toshiba Lifebook C350. As with many notebooks
and laptops, the problem is battery life and inability to find
replacements. IMO, it's an industry problem that exacerbates
e-waste. That would make a good story as well as a market
opportunity.

Despite many temptations, I get a new system only if some
extraordinary technological development provides additional
functionality. The next PC I get will be leveraged upon such
considerations as developments broaden for operating systems,
tablet/touchscreen operation, and inherent wireless functionality of
components.

Best Buy is legitimate in offering an extended warranty or service
plan for refurbs and open box components. I think it is a worthy
consideration because of the caveat emptor factor and BB will
provide a refund if the contract is never used. Check into it.
Anyway, when and who stepped on the computer? {:(
Posted by donnydo77@...
14th Jan 2010
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RE: Toshiba gets A-, Best Buy C-
As a Tech and having worked in retail, I have actually found service plans worth while on notebooks...if it covers accidental and the battery. That being said, I've found that in mt area Office Depot has the best deals on computer and offer great service plans that are accidental, battery replacement and worldwide. Extended warranties on the other hand are all but useless, they cover the same limited coverage the manufacturer does.
Just my two cents.

www.redneckpoet.com
Posted by thepoetrydude@...
15th Jan 2010
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Near every client I send to Best Buy to get a part (most often RAM) for a laptop they come out with the wrong part, despite the fact they walked in with the right part in hand.

Literally every last hard drive purchased this way has been the wrong form factor. The clients bring in a dead (or too small) 2.5 inch laptop HD and they sell them a full sized desktop SATA drive.

Same with RAM, they've been sold a full sized DIMM despite handing the sales rep a laptop module.

It's uncanny. I have since recommended Staples exclusively (the only other 'big box' competition in town after the demise of the awful Circuit City) and so far they have not only been 100% but have done things you'd never expect a company trying to make money to do.

For example people wanting to get a new computer to run Linux upon have been allowed to boot display models with a Linux live CD. The store manager authorized this personally, after I discussed the nature of a live CD with him he was cool with it, despite the fact that merely booting it (not installing, just running live) voids their warranties as written.

If you have a Staples in the area I encourage you to check them out. They have proven themselves to be far more flexible (and reasonable) than the "sell at all cost" Best Buy...
Posted by pgit
15th Jan 2010
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Fry's Electronics A
If you are fortunate enough to have a Fry's Electronics in your neighborhood, I've always had good luck with them. They were the original "technology grocery store", which all the other guys have tried to emulate, mostly unsuccessfully. I was in the Bay Area when the very first Fry's opened in a space about the size of a 7/11. Since Fry's was mostly known for groceries at the time, we thought their foray into electronics would be a bad joke at best. We were pleasantly surprised to find that they actually got it, and they've been growing ever since.
Posted by ScottTaylorMCPD
18th Jan 2010
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RE: Toshiba gets A-, Best Buy C-
Maybe watch where you step. You could have pinched something. My guess is that you didn't get a new display,the tech just fixed the piece you bent.
Posted by wingkongexchange
18th Jan 2010
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I believe the whole BB process is flawed. Unless they've changed, every warranty for anything I've ever purchased there is based on my phone number - not the equipment id. I find that maddening considering as a project engineer I am usually out of the area in 10-18 months. A few years ago it was really bad since I couldn't keep my cell phone number. There were times when I had moved 3 times since last purchase. I haven't been in the habit of keeping up with past phone numbers. Surely there is a better method...
Posted by scheduleplus@...
18th Jan 2010
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RE: Toshiba gets A-, Best Buy C-
Toshiba made the first laptop and that's why I keep buying them. Their repair service and customer service is A+ IMHO.
Posted by ITOdeed
3rd Feb 2010
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RE: Toshiba gets A-, Best Buy C-
Honestly, you're being overly generous giving Best Buy a C-, in my opinion. Best Buy is s store that was ONCE a pleasant place to shop. I remember when they first appeared on the scene, I'd find great "red tag" deals on dented, torn or opened box specials, or the occasional discontinued item, all stacked on "clearance tables". That alone made it a store people wanted to keep coming back to, week after week, to see what happened to be on sale. Of course, they also offered pretty much the lowest price around on music CDs and new release movies, so that was another item in their favor. Their computer section was pretty respectable too. I remember them being among the first stores in town to stock CD recorders, when they were still a new technology. (Several of my buddies invested in one of the Pinnacle 1x external burner packages Best Buy carried, back then.)

But these days? No thanks! I barely set foot in their store anymore. I think they really lost sight of things when they decided they wanted to cater to more "upscale" customers. They eliminated a lot of the cheap, clearance products and seemed to only really offer a good value for their "Reward Zone" cardholders who earned enough points with purchases to earn the right to a discount.

Then they opened that whole "Magnolia Home Theater" section, pretending to be some sort of expert in high-fidelity sound and upscale video. Give me a break. If you want to spend the $'s for a true, professional quality home theater installation, you need to be shopping at the stores that specialize in nothing but that ... not the same place you buy a washing machine or a microwave!

And now, some of them are experimenting selling music gear, trying to compete with "Guitar Center" and the like. Again, bad idea! No musician I know would pay retail pricing for a new guitar, and not even buy it from experts who could do adjustments or repairs to it as needed!

I haven't even talked about the "Geek Squad" yet! (And I don't think I really need to... as most people who used them once or twice can tell you they won't be wasting their money on them again.)

As for Toshiba? I just can't bring myself to give that company an A+ rating, but I think they've earned a solid B. I've used a LOT of their notebooks over the years, and recommended them to many others. Unfortunately, the pattern I see with Toshiba? Nice looking units with good feature sets for the money initially, but quite a few of them break down before they really should. Yes, Toshiba is good about warranty repair work -- but you'll have a fight on your hands if you get a defective unit that dies just outside a 1 year warranty period. (My friend's Qosimo did that, due to a defective motherboard, and it took some fighting on the phone to escalate the call to a higher level tech who was aware it had a silent recall on it. Same problem with a Satellite laptop I had a while back.)
Posted by kingtj
10th Feb 2010
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I work as a brand rep that works at a Best Buy. I can't believe how much they get their recommendations wrong. They sell their $79.99 HP Printers for $39.99 if you buy a computer at the same time. This is what sells because its the lowest possible price. Well, once you consider the HP printer doesn't have a USB cable, price goes up $34 to add that since its not wireless. There's always a $100 Canon that goes on sale for $80 there, and that comes with the USB cable and comes with full ink; HPs come with partials that are 30% filled (not to mention the Canon is a more efficient printer). The difference in value in just the ink shows you Best Buy employees should be recommending the Canon printer; their "package" deal is a complete scam!

Best Buy employees are typically grumpy and their business processes are flawed. In the computer department, they have one person managing the list of people waiting and everyone else helps people out. Why can't they have this person managing the wait list as a computer? And it's not even clear.

Their employees think they have a monopoly, but they are far from it when you consider the amount of online sites, and that there's still Walmart, Target, and Staples (for some stuff). Speaking of that, I even see Staples as being cheaper for the most part than BB, and BB refuses to price match Staples' $50 off when you recycle a printer deal because it goes below BB's cost. BB offers no support that someplace like Amazon would give other than you don't have to pay return shipping to return something; but Amazon and many others have a much more limited 15% restocking fee, if they charge it at all, so in this case, it really balances out for the most part.
Posted by fromme
11th Feb 2010
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