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Poll: What do you think caused unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles?

By | March 11, 2010, 10:06 AM PST

What’s your theory on the cause(s) of unintended acceleration in Toyotas?

I would like to hear from engineer readers about what they think might be causing the unintended acceleration problem in Toyotas. Please post your comments below.

Non-engineers are encouraged to comment, too. Journalist me falls into this category, but not to brag, I wield a mighty wrench. My engineering bona fides are as chief editor at two engineering magazines.

You might also read an excellent story in this past Sunday’s Washington Post, which offers various theories for Toyota’s problems and reinforces a post I did  March 5 about government regulators inability to protect us from technology-inspired schemes and mechanisms.

I happened to be talking about high frequency trading, a technology-based stock trading method, but the same point applies. Regulators and especially lawyers/politicians cannot possibly grasp the application of new technologies at the pace with which they are coming at us. It’s that simple. It’s that complex. It’s that scary.

The article’s author is journalist Frank Ahrens, who happens to have a degree in mechanical engineering so he inherently understands the challenge Toyota faces in finding the problem causing unintended acceleration.

Frank Ahrens. credit: PBS.org

Frank Ahrens. credit: PBS.org

“Members of Congress are generally lawyers and politicians, not engineers. But they are launching investigations and creating policies that have a direct impact on the designers and builders of incredibly complex vehicles — there are 20,000 parts in a modern car — so there are some basics they should understand. Chief among them: The only way to credibly figure out why something fails is to attempt to duplicate the failure under observable conditions. This is the engineering method,” writes Ahrens.

Amid an ocean of variables, he explains how the company might go about its investigation and the questions it might ask:

– “Road conditions where accidents happened (Is it a rain/snow/sleet/temperature problem?)

– Where the cars were made (Is it a parts or assembly problem?)

– How the cars were drawn up (Is it a design flaw? If so, is it a mechanical or electronic flaw? Or a combination?)

– How the cars were tested (Did the company fail to anticipate a series of events that would lead to a flaw?)”

He explores another very obvious suspect: Did the operator have his or her foot on the wrong pedal? It’s hard to imagine anyone would do this for more than a few minutes or seconds, but then again, we do have the Darwin Awards, don’t we. One expert cited in the story says that’s almost always the culprit.

Read some of the 327 comments to the story that have apparently swamped the Post’s web site (comments are closed…never seen that before). Many are humorous and cynical. Also, several engineers weigh in with their opinions which could be summed up this way: “It’s the software, stupid.”

I’ve posted a sampling below with embedded links to the page which carries the full comment.

“– the problem’s in the computer code (likely firmware) - all this posturing with floor mats and accelerator pedals is a disgrace.

Need a fix, Toyota? Just KISS. Simply install an alarm system that alerts drivers every time you cut a deal with NHTSA.

I have a BS in aeronautical engineering and 48 years of experience programming computers. The type of problem under discussion sounds like a classic “race condition” - hard to reproduce, but very real. When the action taken by a computer is determined by the outcome of a “race,  that is, which external event “gets there” first - wins the race - you have a race condition. This may involve hardware or not, but almost always involves software.

This is all BS. Toyota knows the problem, they just won’t admit it. Toyota is learning that its simply not a good business practice to put profit above human life.”

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RE: Poll: What do you think caused unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles?
The computer system seems most likely culprit. Problem appears to be intermittent and so difficult to reproduce. Likely hardware causes include poor ground. This can cause a circuit to be completed through a resistance. The resistor may be any other component through which a path to ground can be established. The diagnosis would involve introducing a low resistance in the current circuit and seeing how it behaves.
The long term fix would most likely be a redesign of the circuit to ensure no parallel pathway exist to ground.
Posted by clementgold@...
11th Mar 2010
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RE: Poll: What do you think caused unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles?
Thanks, Clementgold....that sounds like EE speak,no?

Grounding is tricky thing. I have a fridge that keeps tripping a GFCI
switch which is installed correctly and brand new. Coffee maker doesn't
trip it which makes me think the fridge might need to be grounded.

Of course, the only unintended acceleration is me raiding the fridge.

Thanks for comments. (I take your thoughts on the causes are not
related to software)
Posted by John Dodge
11th Mar 2010
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RE: Poll: What do you think caused unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles?
As previously mentioned, the problem must be recreated under conditions that are monitored when possible.

I have found similar problems sometimes after many weeks, due to a random high voltage discharge into an unshielded logic circuit cable. Static electric fields can build up easily and discharge due to humidity, body flex, wind moving insulation, or chassis to body ground. So much plastic is used in current autos, it makes good grounding and shielding mandatory.

Another source of computer interruption is random RF and RADAR. Would be interesting to research whether any runaways were near a shipyard or airport. Again, good grounding techniques should solve..

As process control engineers know, one should continuously watch for an abnormal condition and when one occurs, you automatically return a controlled master reset - (idle).Also, there should always be a manual reset - (Brake switch).
Posted by RonRat1038
11th Mar 2010
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Unknown Dangers
Toyota and others knew they were having issues and attempted to hide it. All Car Companies should have came forward with a full disclosures of what car were dangerous. Instead of waiting for a huge media blitz and tons of public pressure. I never seen so many car companies GM - NISSAN - TOYOTA - HYUNDAI having recalls all at the same time. I had no idea my car was affected until I looked on http://www.carpedalrecall.com and found I had a bad Anti Lock control unit on my 2008 Pontiac G8 , my co workers Ford Truck had a recall also. So be careful
Posted by wwide408
12th Mar 2010
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RE: Poll: What do you think caused unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles?
Its a conspiracy. I've read that its actually a ridiculously easy
firmware update to the computer system, or a software update. That
the entire thing could be fixed via an update by the user or in 10
minutes (software update) by stopping by a certified shop.
Right after I read that quick-fix, they got plagued by other
malfunctions and recalls.
My theory, Toyota was about to pump-up/create an entirely new Prius
division for a whole line of electric/hybrids that was going to,
basically, offset gas, as well as make them plugin to such a degree
that, basically, gas was going to be obsolete. Toyota has the tech,
the knowhow, and the infrastructure to make it work.
unfortunately, due to this (and other recalls) they will most likely
not be able to afford it, at least anytime soon
Posted by Vailhem@...
12th Mar 2010
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RE: Poll: What do you think caused unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles?
Obama Sabotaged them
Posted by verd@...
12th Mar 2010
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Darwin meets Murphy...
You mention the Darwin Awards but lets not forget Murphy?s Law.
There are eleven computers in a Prius all made by the lowest
bidder. Statistically they run a heck of a lot better than the four
computers I have connected in my home and the twelve at the
office. It is the human touch in creating technology that will
prevent machines from ever taking over the world.
Posted by steventwill
12th Mar 2010
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RE: Poll: What do you think caused unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles?
According to NHTSA's website in 1994 Toyota/Lexus had less than 1 car per hundred thousand reported for unintended acceleration, but by 1998 T/L was reporting 5 per hundred thousand.

A detailed examination of their product line through these years will provide the clue to the cause of T/L's problems.
Posted by McsMark1
12th Mar 2010
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It's a Controled Environment.
As a Software Engineer I know software is thoroughly tested, not only the happy path (When everything goes right) but also when things go wrong, specially for mission critical like drive-by-wire. You can bet that this software is tested for faulty hardware, faulty connections, hard resets, power failures, they probably hit the chips with hammers while working to see how far can they go, and on-car chips must be shielded for magnetic-everything. Software MUST have fail-safe behaviors and those are the ones most thoroughly tested. Anyone can make accelerating software, just send a number to the engine on how fast you want to go, it's "faulty" conditions that must be tested (and recovered from). So, once a manufacturer has a sound product, will ship it to retail. What happens if you get a flat tire? it happens. Just as many metal components can break, unexpectedly. Software does not war off, hardware does.

Then there's public appearance. Toyota (or any manufacturer) can't say "it's not our fault", that would look bad, they must invest lots of money and effort to justify that "it was not us" statement, and make it so carefully that they don't lose any thrust they have earned from customers through the years.

And with human error (which again, car manufacturers can't just point the finger to without damaging their image, true or not), there's empathy. With a huge media fuzz (a beloved FUD variant) people can start to imagine their great cars waking up during the night (transformers-style) and smuggling drugs and weapons.

It's not the case. A car is a car. Sometimes things brake and or fail. Suddenly. How many cars out there in the world do, despite all quality controls make it to the market, and are back at the dealership a few weeks later for a major repair?

And by the way, faulty floor mats? There's no safety software or hardware for a driver that pushes the pedal to the metal so often that it gets trapped (To me, that's human error), there's no replacement for safe driving.
Posted by 8007342
12th Mar 2010
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RE: Poll: What do you think caused unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles?
I appreciate all your comments, but not one of you mentioned Toyota's fix to the problem - the metal shim that restricts movement of the gas pedal. Is there no chance that Toyota's fix is the answer to the problem?
Posted by John Dodge
12th Mar 2010
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RE: Poll: What do you think caused unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles?
Many ideas to share.

Motherboard solder - Whether true or not, is the solder Toyota uses proprietary too? Splinters and slivers of solder in computers due to not using lead anymore is seldomly discussed, but a possibility no one seems to want to research. Might we find out there is no suitable substitute for lead? And are we stupid to believe there is?

Electromagnetic Interference, Radar, static, or stray current? Is there a pattern we're missing?

Grounding and shorts, as others mentioned.

What metal is the shim made of? That could be how Toyota believes it will solve the problem.

Is temperature expansion/contraction not adequately addressed? Will everything really work in -30 to 125 F and was that tested? Add humidity, elevation (O2 sensors), storage, and age, then we can ask if enough conditions were tested before selling these cars. I doubt it. They fully assumed these variables would be fine and not matter like before.

About driver error - Not trusting others, as more stories come forward, is denial at its greatest. The problem won't be solved until trust in the witnesses is restored.

It is electronic of somekind. So many stories of the car doing things the driver did not command. Getting from A to B never needed to be this complex, but we have collectively chosen that path. Maybe this will help us question ourselves a little better. If a question above didn't lead to critical thinking, but rather impulsive responses, then may this last reminder help you try again.
Thank You.
Posted by Treesn
15th Mar 2010
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RE: Poll: What do you think caused unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles?
I am not an engineer but have spent over 40 years in electronic technology and more recently with IT before retiring. My intuitive feeling about the Toyota problems are in line with the "electronics" theory; be it software, cold solder, or some obscure intermittent ground/line feed.
It may yet be shown by an increase of intermittent
reports by Toyota owners or vehicles whose latent problems are in "remission", only to surface under specific conditions of humidity, heat or cold or unusual jolting from bumpy roads. It brings to mind all the "spooky" symptoms I've had to deal with, albeit, not of a potential life-threatening
episode as driving 95 MPH! The analysis should be
started by documentation at every step, even the innefective ones already undertaken (elimination) and for a methodical up-and-down inspection of all facets of electronic interrogation of circuits until such time when one distinct, yet otherwise obscure event, pops up and those who decide will utter.... AHAAA. This may sound cold, but I really do have compassion for any Toshiba owner-drivers.
It's taken this long to get to the point of asking "what if", so Toyota should get their corps of think-tank guys to fashion an all out effort in case the "what if" actually IS electronic/software.
I think the car maker is doing all it can reasonably do under the highly intermittent nature of problems and refrain from making premature
judgemental statements even while making mechanical
fixes. Good Luck.
Posted by billone@...
15th Mar 2010
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RE: Poll: What do you think caused unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles?
go into the cruise control. as a vet auto mechanic of 42 years, my bet is there with a programing or stop lamp switch problem.
and toyota is not alone there, i drive a gm and have it happen,dah! dumb me left the cruise on all the time,it ran away till i turned it off
Posted by charlieg1
16th Mar 2010
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RADAR?
Could it be that these intermittent problems are initiated in susceptible vehicles by police RADAR? Maybe "Obama Sabotaged them" is not so far fetched.
Posted by Normal_z
24th Mar 2010
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RE: Poll: What do you think caused unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles?
I think its caused by lawyers.
Posted by hforman@...
6th Apr 2010
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RE: Poll: What do you think caused unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles?
There isn't a problem. It's all driver stupidity and media sensationalism
Posted by poyeezed
6th Apr 2010
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RE: Poll: What do you think caused unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles?
If you read between the lines a bit you can see. The NHTSA report says that "many other manufacturers" have a fail safe that brakes are top priority regardless of any other inputs. Most other manufacturers do that and Toyota has been told about it in the past. Their attitude of superiority and not needing to do what most "other companies" do has put them in this position.
Posted by mswift@...
9th Apr 2010
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