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NASA chief technologist Robert Braun: ‘We intend to take considerable risks’ to innovate

By | August 12, 2010, 12:03 AM PDT

NASA chief technologist Bobby Braun was appointed to his job in February when NASA revived the chief technologist office. It had faded away in the 1990s after a previous administration tried, and failed, to centralize technology development in Washington, according to the agency.

Mission-specific technologies have generally been developed at one of NASA’s 10 centers, and under Braun, that’s where they’ll stay. He meets regularly with the local chief technology officers so everybody knows what everybody’s working on, and then directs work on longer-term technologies. These projects will be done as partnerships with industry, universities and/or other countries, which will compete for the opportunity to work with NASA.

All of this is a big change for NASA, and Braun laid out these plans, which are part of President Barack Obama’s new space policy and are included in the agency’s 2011 budget, at a forum at the University of Maryland last month.

But he is also touring NASA’s centers to introduce himself. I met with him this week, along with some other reporters, at NASA’s Ames Research Center in Mountain View, Calif..

Here are some highlights of the news conference:

On why NASA is working more with outsiders to innovate:

We’re are focused on a competitive model because we’re interested in the best ideas, wherever they may come from — a meritocracy, with technical rigor. We’ll do it in an above the board and transparent process — we don’t want to pick winners in advance. We’ll use the American ideal of competition in the way it was intended.

A second change is that we [do] intend to take considerable risks. We plan to manage that risk through a portfolio approach. Many will turn into disruptive solutions that affect future missions, but some will not, and that has to be OK. When you invest in the stock market, you balance risk, and NASA is trying to do the same thing.

Third, we intend to run this program in a projectized manner, meaning it will define start and end dates, where project managers are selected based on technical rigor and passion and commitment and are given authority to succeed or fail and are held accountable for the project.

Those characteristics are different than the way NASA has done it in the past. We find that in DARPA and ARPA-e, and we also have a chance for partnerships with those organizations.

On whether NASA would work with venture capital firms:

We’re exploring working with VCs. They know how to take risk, and there’s a lot we can learn and leverage. We have to be careful, though, because we’re the government. We’re different on purpose, and everything we do has to be clean and above board, and it will be.

On the opportunity for small satellites at NASA:

I think it’s government-wide. I went to Stanford in the 1990s, and there was then a lab under Bob Twiggs, who some people claim is the founder of the [small satellite] movement. I was fascinated — a lot of my friends worked in that lab. There were satellites the size of a Coke can. In the intervening 10 to 20 years, that technology has taken off, and you’re seeing government picking up on that.

We called it out as a separate program. It’s small and the dollar values are low and I worried it would get lost, but I wanted to call it out to identify it publicly and let everyone know we were doing this.

On what kind of technology would enable NASA to go beyond the Earth’s orbit:

The focal point of debate in Washington is heavy lift — how much mass should we be able to place on low earth orbit. I’d say, what other technologies are utilized. For Mars, 80 percent is propellant, so if you could transfer and store propellant, you could imagine a lot of ways to get it to low earth orbit. Maybe there would be one launch or several smaller launches.

You also need a transportation system to go beyond low earth orbit, an in-space propulsion system with low, medium and high thrust systems. The more efficient they are, the less mass we need to lift.

Also when we get to the destination, are we going to bring everything with us, or will we use resources available on those bodies, in situ, perhaps for consumables like life support or propellant, or materials at these destinations.

Looking longer term, there’s the NIAC [NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts], and we’re proud to be bringing NIAC back—it’s one of the 10 programs in Space Technology. It’s modest dollar value, but it was a great way in my opinion for NASA to engage external innovators in small and larger businesses and academia to get their visions of the future.

One problem NIAC had previously was that it was so revolutionary, with 40-years-and-out system concepts, that there were no technology programs to carry along the innovators idea. So the innovator would win funding and study the concept for a year and there would be no place for that idea to go.

Now we have a way to transition a NIAC idea from concept to flight, and we’ve worked hard on that.

Photo: Braun addresses an audience at NASA’s Langley Research Center on May 18, 2010. (Sean Smith/NASA)

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Deborah Gage was a contributing editor for SmartPlanet in 2010.

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science over show
I hope he favors unmanned (science driven) missions over manned (emotion driven) missions. Pure science rocks.

gary
Posted by gdstark13
12th Aug 2010
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RE: NASA chief technologist Robert Braun: 'We intend to take considerable risks' to innovate
Satellites the size of a soft drink can? Better think twice. The region of space surrounding Earth is becomming ever more cluttered with orbiting junk that's threatening satellites (GPS, communication satellites) that have become vital to our way of life. What I would like to see NASA do, is develop ways to reduce junk pollution of Earth-orbital space, and return satellites to earth after they have exhausted their useful lives.

Remember that in the vacuum of space, even a fleck of paint moving at 17,500 miles per hour can cause damage if it hits an orbiting satellite.
Posted by AlexKovnat
12th Aug 2010
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RE: NASA chief technologist Robert Braun: 'We intend to take considerable risks' to innovate
We need a mix of both man and unman programs; our survival depends on it. Getting private companies involved is a good thing. New products may spire on new work for new hires
Posted by bobmatch@...
12th Aug 2010
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The shuttle was the best way to get propellant to orbit
Early in the shuttle program it was pointed out that rather than dumping the external tank and letting it fall back to earth, they should have been carried to orbit. The external tanks always had some propellant left (letting the main engines run dry rather than shutting them off while fully operating would have caused vibrational instabilities that would have caused them to self-destruct). Having this propellant in orbit as well as the metals of the external tank would have been invaluable. I saw one proposal that would have simply linked the external tanks together that would have the basis of a cheap space station.
Posted by zackers
12th Aug 2010
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RE: NASA chief technologist Robert Braun: 'We intend to take considerable risks' to innovate
Here's another interview with Braun, from NASA, done around the end of April.

http://www.nasa.gov/offices/oce/appel/ask/issues/39/39i_interview.html

Braun says he intends to "celebrate failure [at NASA]. Not because we made a metric-to-English conversion error. Failure because we went after a large goal, made progress, and did all the right things, but didn't quite make it to that goal. I'm sure they're celebrating in DARPA today because they flew a Mach-20 vehicle.** Did they succeed in their objectives? Absolutely not."

** The vehicle disappeared somewhere over the Pacific: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/04/pentagons-mach-20-glider-disappears-whacking-global-strike-plans/
Posted by DebGage
12th Aug 2010
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RE: NASA chief technologist Robert Braun: 'We intend to take considerable risks' to innovate
Here's an innovative propulsion system that I believe very promising.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ScAHXN_kAY
Posted by rbrtwjohnson
12th Aug 2010
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