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Molten batteries pack more power

By | April 13, 2010, 8:27 AM PDT

Batteries aren’t just a problem for your iPhone or laptop. They’re a huge problem in smart grids and getting solar or wind energy to market. (Picture by Patrick Gillooly for the MIT News Office.)

If electricity can’t be used immediately it must be stored. Lithium batteries are expensive. Metal batteries don’t hold enough power.

Transforming electricity into hydrogen, then back into water is possible, but the energy costs of the transformation are high.

How big a problem is this? Presidio, Texas, a border town of under 5,000 people in the Rio Grande Valley, recently had a 4 megawatt battery installed by Electric Transmission Texas to improve service. It cost $25 million and was bigger than a house.

The Big Ol’ Battery (BOB) is dwarfed by Fairbanks’ Battery Energy Storage System (BESS), installed by ABB Group in 2003. BESS can hold a charge of 26 Megawatts for up to 15 minutes and is used to back up the local grid.

The two batteries are quite different. BOB uses sodium and sulfur. BESS is nickel-cadmium.

But what Don Sadoway of MIT has discovered is that if your metal is molten, it can hold a lot more power in a lot less space. Sadoway says his battery costs less than lithium, and holds a charge for a longer period of time. A battery the size of a shipping container would carry 1 megawatt for several hours.

The design is relatively simple. Melted magnesium at the top, melted antimony at the bottom, and a salt composed of both elements in the middle. The salt breaks down as the battery is charged, then rebuilds as electrons are discharged.

Sadoway, who recently turned 60, said his inspiration was the way aluminum is coaxed from bauxite by being melted using electricity. For his birthday he’s getting a symposium in his honor this June. Sadoway is a University of Toronto alumnus. (Go True Blue.)

While the Sadoway battery is impressive, it really illustrates how far research must travel to make a smart grid a reality.

Renewable power is not reliable — clouds obscure the sun, and sometimes the wind doesn’t blow. Power demand also fluctuates. Better, more powerful, and cheaper batteries are needed to match supply with demand.

Sadoway’s battery is one small step down a long, long road. It’s an interesting technique, but it’s probably not our final answer.

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RE: Molten batteries pack more power
Seems like GE is using this battery technology for the largest hybrid vehicle so far proposed: A locomotive, There is a cost of keeping the battery elements melted, so it isn't suitable for small applications, but on a locomotive which may weigh over a hundred tons, it's not so significant.

Imagine using regenerative braking on a 100+ car train to generate the power to get it moving again. . . That could save some real money. (And a heck of a lot of fuel!)
Posted by CodeCurmudgeon
13th Apr 2010
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RE: Molten batteries pack more power
Gotta love a technology that "seems" new - since this one was invented back around the time of World-War II.
A molten-salt battery powered vehicle manufactured by Modec in 2006 runs on an 85kWh pack, has a top speed of 50mph and a range in excess of 100.
Posted by jwiltsey
13th Apr 2010
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Wind needs far better storage
Proponents of wind power outside the power industry like to think
that wind power can pick up base load, but European grid operators
have found wind is very unstable.

The molten battery sounds interesting, but the source article at New
Scientist did not specify how efficient that battery design is (watt-
hours out/watt-hours in), net, including the baseload power needed to
operate the bettery heaters, as well as the capital and operating
costs of this new design.

Code Curmudgeon: Regenrative braking typically only recovers around
20%, and requires higher build and running costs. So, 20% is real
money?
Posted by johnbartley
13th Apr 2010
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RE: Molten batteries pack more power
How about keeping it heated with a heliostat "farm" - that could cover the windless periods along with the thermal inertia of such a large battery.
Posted by jwiltsey
13th Apr 2010
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RE: Molten batteries pack more power
better to just create thorium based Molten Salt Reactors, Thorium reactors can be built the size of 2 shipping containers.
Posted by guruward
13th Apr 2010
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RE: Molten batteries pack more power
Again, we discovered new technology that has already been invented.There is the Modec battery but let's also not forget most of the hydrogen "innovations" are from early 20th/late 19th century. Of course this will keep occurring if these so called new technologies never get to market. Look up Stirling solar. lots of sites are abuzz with it because it is the state of the art for solar electric technology. NOW try buying something more than a mini toy version. 5 years ago, it was 5 years away from changing the way we look at solar. It is currently 5 years away from doing just that. At least when chip builders discover 2 cores, 4 cores, etc. they do something useful with them. When I see a molten MacBook battery at the Mac store, I will eat some crow and believe it.

BTW why is home generation ignored so much in these smart grid discussions? 26 Megawatt batteries would be unnecessary if the grid supplemented home wind/solar/hydrogen energy instead of trying to put lipstick on the centralized power pig.
Posted by eric.jernigan
13th Apr 2010
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wind needs better storage.
Keep it in a politician
Posted by pache11@...
13th Apr 2010
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"clouds obscure the sun"
Not if you are smart enough and capable of leaving the planet's surface!

While solar power satellites have been proven functional for over 35 years, and their major environmental effect is heat generated by transmission and conversion they are totally ignored by most as if they were not feasible.

A solar power satellite can be built of materials already on the Moon, using technology which is well-known and mature, can generate power over 99% of the time and has little environmental impact.

EVERY form of energy conversion has an impact on the environment, trees and other plants, wind, wave, thermal, nuclear, chemical, combustion, hydroelectric, geothermal, solar direct--every isngle one.

Many are unknown. Consequences of large-scale power production using any of the alternative power sources are unknown.

The effects of one windmill are nearly undetectable, but ask anyone living anywhere near 1,000 large windmills and they will tell you that 1,000 of them are definitely noticeable.

Manufacturing SPS units off-planet has effects too, but once they are up, the major effect is waste heat from conversion.

The trick is not to avoid impacting the environment--you can't.

The trick is not in reducing your impact--though it's a good stop-gap.

The trick is to use the impact in a positive way to assist those environmental processes you desire.

Like fish-farming using waste heat from power plants.
Posted by wizoddg
13th Apr 2010
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RE: Molten batteries pack more power
Any idea what happens when a shipping container of molten, electrified metal is breached?
Posted by wizoddg
13th Apr 2010
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Megawatt?
Why are you measuring battery capacity in megawatts? Surely should be
megajoules or mega-watt-hours.
You guys are techies not just journos, right?
Oh and pache11 - nicely played.
Posted by steve_jonesuk@...
14th Apr 2010
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Molten batteries only melt in use
A molten battery isn't molten until it is in use, by which point it's
probably in a pretty safe place. That's one of the beauties here. IT's
shipped as metal. It's safe. Other types of high-capacity batteries are
made of more hazardous material.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
14th Apr 2010
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RE: Molten batteries pack more power
Just waiting until we hear why this is an environmental hazard and we have to hop onto the other foot and use some even more outlandish and expensive means of technology.

- CFLs were supposed to be better than incandescent, but oops, they're filled with mercury (not sure how we didn't see that coming since flourescent lighting's been around for decades...)

- Solar was a brilliant idea, until we realized that we'd need a set of panels the size of Rhode Island to power Manhattan, and gee, whattya know? That might be bad for the local environment.

- Wind is our great savior, except it's not reliable and chops up birdies.

Meanwhile, coal, oil and natural gas continue to be our most efficient means of generating energy, but we're told we can't use them because we're causing the planet to turn into a crock pot (pay no attention to East Anglia, they were only manipulating the data to make us understand the gravity of the problem! Really!!).

What don't we hear about? Nuclear. Yeah, you'll hear our president pay it lip service, but I'll believe we're going to build more nuclear power plants when I see ground being broken. You know activists will fight it tooth and nail, every step of the way. And what about nuclear fusion? Y'know, nuclear without the massive amount of waste and even less risk of a meltdown? Why aren't we pouring more research dollars into that? Everyone keeps talking about harnessing the power of the sun with solar, but fusion is actually using the same power the sun does.

Let me know when we're done screwing around with half-ass technologies and ready to actually create energy solutions to maintain our standard of living. Oh, wait, I forgot, the real point is to lower our standard of living.
Posted by branchman67
20th Apr 2010
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Great call, branchman67!
Great call, branchman67! All of these "green" technologies sound good on the surface, but in real practice they all fall woefully short of a real solution. Yes, someday we will be able to power our homes with windmills - Yes, someday we will be able to drive cars with hydrogen batteries or molten metal batteries, or a number of other ideas we haven't heard yet. But this is now. Let's pour good money into the research of clean, green energy. But now, let's harness the energy sources that we know will work RIGHT NOW. Washington's half-arsed commitment to offshore drilling and nuclear power will only lead us to energy shortages and financial duldrums.

And on the subject of environmental pollution/eyesore - if windmills are so much more desirable than offshore drilling rigs, why is it that the residents of Martha's Vineyard, many of them congressmen and senators, have vehemently blocked construction of a windmill farm because it will be visible from Nantucket and surrounding communities? Seems like having wind power is fine for us, as long as it's in OUR back yard, not theirs.

joe
Posted by cjreynolds
20th Apr 2010
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RE: Molten batteries pack more power
According to my latest count, wizoddg makes two of us who recognize that there is no free lunch as far as energy is concerned.

If we were to use enough sind energy to generate the amount of energy we currently produce from fossil fuel it would probably have envoronmental impacts that would make fossil fuel impacts, whatever they are, pale in comparison.

Right now, except for minor windmill interruption, wind blows without interference from the coast of California to the mountains where it is slowed and pushed up causing it to drop its moisture and particulatess on the west side of the range, making the east side of the range desert. Imagine a solid wall of windmills along the CA coast. The desert would then extend from the windmills to the mountains and with less energy in the wind, even less moisture would cross to the east side. Saudi Arabia could be a rainforest in comparison.
Posted by magowan@...
20th Apr 2010
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RE: Molten batteries pack more power
According to what I've heard, it would take a windmill farm about the size of Rhode Island to equal our current production.

How's that for an eyesore?

joe
Posted by cjreynolds
20th Apr 2010
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RE: Molten batteries pack more power
cjreynolds: Move the entire population of Rhode Island (all three hundred and fifty-seven of them) somewhere else, build the windmill farm and Robert is your maternal unit's male sibling.
Posted by fairportfan
21st Apr 2010
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Windmills and batteries, long lines and good sense
Solar and wind both provide what America most needs.
Load ready power that peaks when we do. Solar for obvious reasons, highest output when the air conditioners are at maximum.
Wind less obvious, but if you think about it, it makes sense. Wind power maximizes just when commuters hit the road in the AM and return in the evening. Sounds very promising for direct power to cars (assuming in line low freq. AM power broadcast in roadbeds for RF recovery into electric / hybrid cars).
What we DON'T need is guruward's radioactive salt vats dripping highly corrosive flourides into our water supply when the leaks start...and they will.

Clearly what we need is a larger distribution grid, so load sharing by time zone can maximize 'direct use' power.

Of course some storage is needed, and we need to think carefully about the tradeoffs.
More local power = more local control, but at the cost of lower efficiency or higher storage.

More global distribution = less local control, now the problems are political / economic and competing usage.

Where will this all settle with maximum social profit?
Not in a world full of radioactive storage vaults surrounded by 24/7/365 1/4 guards!!
Posted by mykmlr@...
23rd Apr 2010
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Molten Batteries just ONE Piece of the Puzzle...
but I always expected gravitational store to be more
widely used. When I visited Britain around 2000, I was
told they bought excess nuclear generated electricity
from France storing it by pumping water uphill; they
then generated electricity from it running back downhill
in the morning for the peak due to the demand for
morning tea.

I don't actually have figures handy, but I expect this is
more efficient than electrochemical battery cycles,
especially if the water is replaced with some other
substance: the whole system would be a lot more
compact if mercury, for example, were used instead.

Then, of course, the problem would be preventing leaks.

Less toxic molten metals could be used, but then the
problem would be keeping it molten w/o huge
expenditures of energy on heating.
Posted by mejohnsn
27th Apr 2010
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RE: Molten batteries pack more power
Answering #12: we do hear about nuclear. But
the main thing I keep hearing about nuclear is that it will
be decades before plant construction can pick up in the
US not just because of regulatory delays, but because
nobody is willing to finance it. Why are they not willing to
finance it? Because the industry has FAILED to run even
most existing plants at a profit: they rely on huge
government subsidies instead.

Predictably, the industry keeps trying to blame this on
Pollyan "the sky is falling" environmentalists, but I just
don't believe them. Apparently, neither do bankers or
governments, since they are getting neither the
financing nor the subsidies at this point.

Nuclear will prove a vital piece of the puzzle for solving
our energy needs w/o raising carbon emissions, but in
the near future, only outside the US.
Posted by mejohnsn
27th Apr 2010
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RE: Molten batteries pack more power
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