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America’s roads are falling apart

By | September 28, 2010, 10:52 PM PDT

California may be home to the Tesla, one of the most glamorous electric car on Earth, but it also has the worst roads and highways in a country where roads and highways are falling apart, according to a report released this month by TRIP, a non-profit in Washington, D.C., whose backers include insurance companies, labor unions and other businesses with an interest in transportation.

TRIP says that about a quarter of major U.S. urban roads are in sub-standard or poor condition, while only a third are in good condition. State budget deficits, the end of federal stimulus money and the lack of a long-term federal surface transportation program from Congress may make the bad roads worse.

Just about every major city in California made TRIP’s list of top 20 worst urban areas in the nation for roads — starting with San Jose, which is home to Silicon Valley. San Jose residents also pay the most to maintain their cars — $756 per year, on average, compared to an average of $402 nationally.

One thing that’s tearing up our roads is trucks. Vehicle travel was up 39 percent between 1990 and 2008, but truck travel was up by 49 percent. Government isn’t spending enough to maintain and repair roads — $14 billion per year, compared to the $26.6 billion that the Department of Transportation says is required to stay even and the $39 billion needed to get ahead. Such efforts would also create jobs.

TRIP suggests that roads be fixed while they’re still relatively healthy, which means better construction, better materials and more preventive care.

Here’s their list of 20 worst cities for travel by car. Get the full report here

Rank

Urban Area

Pct. Poor

1

San Jose, California

64%

2

Los Angeles, California

63%

3

Honolulu, Hawaii

62%

4

Concord, California

58%

5

San Francisco-Oakland, California

58%

6

New Orleans, Louisiana

55%

7

New York-Newark, NY/NJ

53%

8

San Diego, California

50%

9

Indio-Palm Springs, California

47%

10

Baltimore, Maryland

46%

11

Kansas City, Missouri / Kansas

45%

12

Riverside-San Bernardino, California

44%

13

Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

42%

14

Sacramento, California

42%

15

Omaha, Nebraska

42%

16

San Antonio, Texas

39%

17

Detroit, Michigan

38%

18

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

37%

19

Tulsa, Oklahoma

36%

20

Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas

34%

(The picture is of a pothole on Second Avenue in New York City — another city that’s on the list.)

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RE: America's roads are falling apart
This past year I've been to Detroit and San Antonio. Both are better than Chicago, yet they're rated worse than Chicago? There must be some problem with the rating system. Illinois, and the Chicago area in particular, have some of the worst roads in the country, as far as I've seen. Whenever leaving Illinois by car in any direction you can immediately tell (even blindfolded) when you've crossed the border. The roads don't lie.
Posted by What the ...!
29th Sep 2010
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Ironically, California's roads are so bad because of the mild climate.
In most places with more extreme weather, roads need to be
maintained and resurfaced frequently. But most of California's
weather is so mild that roads can go for decades before any
serious maintenance needs to be contemplated. So they can
afford to put off major work indefinitely.

But you'd think with the billions being spent on "stimulus", at least
this problem would have been fixed. Not only did we not create
many jobs, they couldn't even repave some roads.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
29th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
I agree. The Chicago area has the worst roads in the country. In the late 70's Jane Byrne was elected mayor on promise to fix potholes.
Also, FYI, rain alone will do major damage to asphalt roads and has the effect of making them feel like washboards.
Posted by ITOdeed
29th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
Did the reporters take a look at the materials used in constructing the roads? Here on Long Island, there are rumors that roads are being paved with substandard materials, creating a need to perform costly repairs more often.
Posted by andreajones
29th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
@andrea - that was my first thought. Substandard materials boosts the profit margin.
Posted by t0mmyt@...
29th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
I live in a rural area in Texas with two major trucking activities -- hauling crushed rock for construction and gas well drilling. I have seen wonderful state highways and farm-to-market roads in my region totally destroyed within 1-2 years by intense traffic from these heavy trucks. Why should my gasoline taxes be increased to repair roads destroyed by continuous overweight trucks that the roads were not designed for? Find a way to assess fees by weight and number of trips, increase weight monitoring. By the way, we have little snow and ice, but hot Texas summers, asphalt paving, and heavy trucks create a destructive formula.
Posted by giantcedar
29th Sep 2010
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cars on rails
We need to redesign our transportation system to use rails. And I DON'T mean convert to trains. I mean this...

http://www.prtproject.com

Much more efficient, no need for carrying large batteries around, no more potholes.

gary
Posted by gdstark13
29th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
Ever seen the German Autobauns? When I was over there ~ 10
yrs ago, I ran across one under repair. The new asphalt layer on
each lane was almost a foot thick after compaction. Contrast this
to here in Florida, when it is often 2", in spite of a standard of at
least 3". Even though in Florida we don't have to contend with
the freeze-thaw cycle like the Germans do, our roads in the US
are thinner than they should be, with the consequence that they
wear out faster. This short-sightedness is the main reason our
roads don't last.
Posted by Starman35
29th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
The road problem probably began in Pittsburgh Pa. in the late
40's to early 50's with the then mayor Laurence and his
Allegahney Asphalt Co. They began to replace all concrete roads
with asphalt,which was very pothole prone in a relatively short
time compared to concrete. Then Mayor Laurence became
Govenor of Pa. and the asphalt spread across the state, and the
country. It was cheaper than concrete ,but more costly in the
long run.I was there and observered the process. There are
various grades of asphalt to be fair but political expedience
always seems to win out.
Posted by Kcrews
29th Sep 2010
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Florida...
Have to agree with Starman35 on Florida's roads. While they are often very good due to what I consider good maintenance, they've had their share of poor materials use and standards. Whole sections of I75 and now the Suncoast Parkway used a porous type of asphalt that was great for shedding water in downpours but wears out very quickly. Roads only a few years old look like they are 10+. I'd still put them up against almost any I've driven on in the Northeast, California, or Texas. The best roads I've ever seen however, were in Mexico. They were using a monster road laying machine that put down a 10-12" thick concrete ribbon two-lanes wide. I imagine over time they'd have that thup-thup-thup of expansion joints settling but even when several years old they were quite impressive...
Posted by CKritter
29th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
Read the book "True Freedom - The Road to the First Real Democracy" (I found it at www.democraticroad.com) if you want to know how this nation should deal properly with its roadway system. Those in political positions are totally out of touch and have zero of the planning and management skills necessary to run a national roadway system. However, if the controls of the roads fall back directly into the users and related taxpayers then a new system can be developed where if you use the roads then are you willing to pay to keep them in a condition where it will cost you less. Read about the many other options which could give back to the American taxpayers their rights to make their choices on every government program.
Posted by dgage19558@...
29th Sep 2010
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There is a prime reason and other reasons
Number one as indicated above is that the general specifications in any part of the United States is about half what the Autobahn specifications are. Then like stated before there are always the contractors that cheat on the specification and budgets will not allow confirming the work being done.

The second thing is that trucks not only travel more, but have in the last 30 years been allowed to become larger and heavier. Also, for the damage they do they really do not pay enough road use taxes.

A friend is in the road construction business and states that the current government infrastructure spending is being used more for show than quality in many areas. (Put on thinner coats and more miles than thick coats that will last. )

Let's stop killing people all over the world and fix our infrastructure properly!!!
Posted by MFox1948
29th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
Transportation is fundamental to the American way of life and our economy can not survive without adequate transportation systems.

If I had to give up either freedom of speech or freedom of movement (travel) I would shut up.

Perhaps people should ask why governments at all levels put enough into maintaining and improving our transportation systems to those who would like to be elected to run our various Governments.

Of course the answer is easy - its because we vote for people who promise to mystically cut taxes and provide more funding to special interests of all colors and stripes.

The fault is our own for the last 50 plus years we have demand Government Services while at the same time refusing to pay for them.
Posted by atmusky
29th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
Roads are often bad because someone has a financial incentive for them to be so. A well designed road does not need new materials. A well maintained road does not need as many union hours to get fixes.

When they announced the stimulus programs it was with the stated intent to put all those "shovel ready" projects into action, which usually translates to roads, bridges, and other travel infrastructures. Instead, it was used as a slush fund to primarily spare union state and federal workers from the pains the rest of our society is suffering.

Add to that the nature of getting contracts for government work, were
bribes, fees, environmental impact reports, and the like, its no surprise
that little actually got done.

There have billions of dollars from gas taxes that were supposed to be used for transportation, but instead simply got diverted into the general federal fund to payoff one campaign contributor or another, or to pay for yet another program that either glorifies the bill's sponsor or puts into to play some unproven concept with no way to shut it down when it
is shown to be not working.
Posted by richard233
29th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
We used to construct better roads in this country but around Washington DC, I mostly see asphalt being laid these days - cheaper for the municipality, probably quicker, and probably more lucrative for the construction companies as it needs to be repaired/re-laid more often. Our short term view these days is to our detriment as it probably costs more in repairs over time, inconvenience and lack of safety than doing it right in the first place. Western European roads in general are superior in materials and construction - they take a longer term and more adult view. Shame on America.

Note that there was stimulus money targeted to such projects but the construction companies were nervous about not getting paid for some reason (forgot the details) and didn't bite.
Posted by swatter
29th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
A little history lesson if you will. California once had a highway department trust fund that gasoline and other taxes went into and were reserved exclusively for highway construction and maintenance (these funds not being included in the states general fund even though Pat Brown, father to Jerry, included the number in order to give the impression of a balanced budget). The political pressure was too great and the legislature couldn't stand to have that much money outside of their ability to micro-manage so they 'broke the trust' and the money was placed into the general fund where it was mixed in with all other income. That was around 1970 and the result was an apparent budget surplus that justified massive new spending, including expansion of welfare benefits, but a decline in highway maintenence and repairs. The shift in maintenance took about 10 years to really begin to show up and the rest is history. There were a number of projects that came to a dramatic halt due to the sudden 'lack of funds'. They then graced us with another bureaucratic agency we know as CALTRANS which on general observation has more graduates with degrees in 'Shovel Leaning I, II & III', 'Observing Others Work' and 'Job Extension Management Skills & Practices' (aka How to Make a 3-Week Job Last 6 Months) than any other public works organization. The road/gas tax money was (and still is) there for the best road system in the world but it has been hijacked. CA has one of the highest gas tax bases in the country. And now 40 years later our elected officials tell us that we need to increase taxes to pay for highway maintenance and construction. But, there are few if any controls on where the money will actually be spent.
Posted by LTCBill
29th Sep 2010
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Hey dgage19558....
Those in political positions are totally out of touch and have zero
of the planning and management skills necessary to run a national
roadway system.

...just wait until they're running all of health care. The state of our
highways should be enough of a clue.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
29th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
Heavy Trucks do not "wear" out the roads per se, the cost in the road for 108,000 tractor trailer weight standard is the initial design / upgrade of the road to support the weight (just like bridges). After that cost is done then the wear - ruts - on any road is caused by cars using them. 30,000 cars running on a road causes 120,000 "wears" on the surface. 3,000 tractor trailers could cause only 30,000 "wears" a day. The cars by far do more damge to "wear" out a road. Don't believe this?; just measure the rut to rut wears and you will find it is the wheelbase of CARS not trucks that are making the ruts. Here in Portland you can see really big ruts in the downtown asphalt at BUS STOPS - the buses weigh so much, on a hot day, it just pushes the ashphalt up and away and create ruts at every bus stop!
And the reason for using ashphast is, as mentioned earlier, it is cheaper and faster to use than concrete - even if concrete will last 30+ years vs maybe 12 for oil based ashphalt. And of course the people paying for the 12 year road replacement cycle with 20 year bonds are us. And we are just falling behind by 8 years at a time because, as in governments everywhere in the US, build costs, maintenance costs, and replacement costs are always looked at separatly and never together - each is a different funding method so what costs the other departments will bear is not their concern at all when building any road. this is true even at the Federal level.
Just as there are specifications for concrete, there are also for any road material - and the people doing the work - often contractors - follow the specs given to them from people who sit in buildings and follow the specs they see in books and never look to see if they actually make sense what they are telling the contractors. At least here in Oregon, the people do go to the site to see if they are following specs - but if they don't check to see if the specs are right, just if they are being followed. So don't blame the contractors, they "are just following orders." Oregon 217 was completely repaved 6 years ago to specs - and the specs were wrong but the contractor followed them and the road wore out in 6 months. The state told them wrong. So the whole thing had to be repaved again with different asphalt compositon. This likely happens everywhere. DOT make up the specs, the contractors follows them.
And funding, ask any politicial to see millions if not billions of dollars in a trust fund for a specific purpose and they have dreams of always using it for something else completely different since it is just "sitting there". Reason why Oregon has spent 4 billion dollars on light rail and then asking people for more money to repair roads from the city to the state level since they voted on their own (without asking anyone) to take the money from from the road building / maintenance fund to build the rail lines!
Posted by TAPhilo
29th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
I get tired of the mantra about the Federal Government should do this or isn't doing that. It's just a euphemistic way of saying someone else should pay for it. The States collect fuel taxes and, yes, the Feds collect fuel taxes which, except for the administrative costs and public transportation projects, are rebated to the States. The basic problem is that the taxes aren't high enough to cover the cost. The States are free to raise them at any time AND P.S. the problem didn't become severe until the laws covering the National Transportation Trust Fund were changed to allow diversion of the funds to non-highway uses. Surprise!, Surprise!
Posted by BogMeadow
29th Sep 2010
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This is interesting in light of the facts that:

CALTRANS has been called "the biggest engineering company in the world"

and

CALTRANS has had in the past anyhoh one of the largest if not the largest State Agency budgets in California

Finally, maybe some of the massive California State Prison budget could include prison labor on roads...wait, that makes too much sense...better to keep paying prison guards 6 figures to babysit.
Posted by EVsRoll
29th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
I think gdstark13 has the right idea. Rails, but not what he's proposing. We should be using the existing railroad system and get the big trucks off the road. It would be much more efficient, and get the big rigs off the roads. That would help with traffic, road conditions, and polution. How can you go wrong?
Posted by djsullik
29th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
My father of great wisdom stated what should be happening, "Trains haul, trucks deliver!" but not in the U.S. If there were a federal law that trucks could not travel more than say 100 miles, our roads would be A LOT better. Let trains haul and trucks deliver!
Posted by jensmobil@...
29th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
>But you'd think with the billions being spent on "stimulus", at
>least this problem would have been fixed. Not only did we not
>create many jobs, they couldn't even repave some roads.

The "stimulus" bill only accelerated the rate the Highway Trust Fund which is funded by the federal gas tax is spent.

The current proposal for an "infrastructure bank" is nothing more then a shell game, a credit card if you will. Borrow $30B today, promise to pay it off with future gas taxes since we no longer have the money saved up like we did up until last August when the Stimulus bill drained the piggy bank.

The fundamental problem is we apportion gas taxes as a fixed number of centers per gallon (generally about 50 cents state and federal combined, with 75% going to fund highways and the other 25% diverted to other projects like mass transit and general government). And these taxes haven't increased in 15 years.

The gas tax SHOULD be increased (and I'm about as rock ribbed Republican as you'll find, especially after this health care debacle). And it should be either indexed to inflation or changed to be a percentage like sales tax. As gas prices goes up, so does road revenue.

General taxes have not supported inter-city highways since the mid 50s. Since then the gas tax and tolls have shouldered the burden, and as indicated above they pay more in taxes then it costs to maintain their roads.

Local streets are largely maintained by property taxes, with some state and federal aid for major capital improvements like bridges (paid for by gas taxes). In my area (New England) property taxes on cars is sufficient in most places to fully support local roads. Maybe in some of the cities like Boston they wouldn't, but then again you won't have much of a city without streets for fire engines and delivery trucks!
Posted by Dal90
29th Sep 2010
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>Ever seen the German Autobauns? When I was over there ~ 10
>yrs ago, I ran across one under repair. The new asphalt layer
>on each lane was almost a foot thick after compaction. Contrast
>this to here in Florida, when it is often sightedness is the main reason our roads don't last.

Actually, it's not short-sightedness, it's deliberate and practical.

It would be cripplingly expense to build Autobahn quality highways across the U.S. Germany is 120,000 sq. miles with 80M residents. The Continental U.S. is 3,200,000 sq. miles with 300M residents...thirty times larger, only three times the population. Quick math is building Autobahns would cost ten times as much as we currently pay. Just not practical in a nation as large and low population density on average as we are.

So it's a compromise. Our roads aren't safe for unlimited speeds in rural areas, but rural areas do get an interstate level highway. Urban roads may need more maintenance because we also invest in a vast rural network, but at least we have that network.
Posted by Dal90
29th Sep 2010
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>The cars by far do more damge to "wear" out a road. Don't
>believe this?; just measure the rut to rut wears and you will find
>it is the wheelbase of CARS not trucks that are making the ruts.

Trucks weigh more, and most importantly their tires are generally around 100psi, compared to 30psi for automobiles. It's not just the weight...make an 18 wheeler into a 54 wheeler it would do less damage to the pavement.

I've never noticed heavy rutting in a truck dominated area.

If you notice, ruts are almost exclusively found approaching intersections, especially traffic lights. That's where people step on the brake to slow down (quickly) and transfer energy into the pavement. Sometimes you'll see ruts on sharp highway ramps, too as centrifugal force pushes the tires into the pavement. Most truck drivers stop slower then cars which helps offset the increased weight and pressure they apply.

At any rate, since rutting is almost exclusively an intersection issue, the best fix is to use concrete at busy and/or light controlled intersections, or bus stops where the buses are always pulling over. The rest of the road is quite fine with a good asphalt.
Posted by Dal90
29th Sep 2010
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>My father of great wisdom stated what should be happening,
>"Trains haul, trucks deliver!"

One of the great ironies in the envy over Europe's high speed rail system is they rely more heavily on trucks for freight then the U.S. does. Yes, we move a higher percentage of our ton-miles by rail then Europe. Their train system is designed to move people, not freight.

High speed passenger rail in the U.S. is not practical due to our nation's size and development pattern.

What IS practical and would yield a global economic competitiveness advantage would be investing in high speed *freight* rail including highly automated terminals to rapidly load and unload containerized freight for local delivery. Europe can't do it, not without building a duplicate rail network. We don't have the burden of a working passenger network, and passenger rail can't pay it's way compared to highway and air travel...but what we can do is upgrade our system designed to move freight.

It IS already the best, largest freight railway system in the world, but it could be much, much more heavily used and far cheaper and more efficient then it is today.
Posted by Dal90
29th Sep 2010
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California Roads were the Best Prior to Gov. Brown in the 70's!
As soon as he was elected in his first term, he appointed an
environmentalist in charge of the Highway Department. It was all
down hill from there. The richest most efficient Roads Department in
the Country, were forced to give up reserve funds and it was
cracked open and spent on environmental issues instead of funding
roads. By putting it into the State General Fund. Gianturco's (short
for Giant Turkey) appointment was a disaster that California Roads
may never recover from back then!

Now you idiots are going to take California to the depths of depravity
by voting this moron back in again? May God have mercy on you
and NO WONDER CALIFORNIA IS BANKRUPT!!!
Posted by i2fun@...
29th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
I read that one rail car can carry the load of twenty six semi trailers. What happens to the oil in asphalt? Does most of it degrade in place or wash out? Does it produce toxic by-products or release heavy metals as it degrades? It appears to be easier to pick up and replace than concrete. I saw a road crew with a machine that grinded up the old asphalt and conveyed it right into an dump truck.
Posted by Hfly1
29th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
Referring to TAPhilo's message, here in Oregon most of the rutting in the roads is caused by people who use studded tires. They're allowed in Oregon from November through March. There should be a surcharge on studded tires to pay for the wear they cause.

Also, I don't think much of the state's highway fund has been spent on light rail. Maybe some where the light rail is on streets rather than a dedicated rail bed but most of the money comes from other sources.
Posted by riverat1
29th Sep 2010
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Unions are the problem!
As long as there is union money being funneled into the government to use substandard materials we're going to continue this problem. The unions are paying of government officials to use substandard materials so the roads break down faster. That way they can keep their people working CONTINUOUSLY! The unions are screwing this country. The unions used to stand for something, but now they just drag us down. I can't feel sorry for this country! I can about guarantee you that half the stimulus money went into several government officials pockets! However, we'll NEVER know!
Posted by r1r1p1@...
29th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
I checked out the list of metropolitan areas with population of 250K to 500K, and I was very surprised to see that Pensacola, Florida, managed to rate 61% good roads. I can't imagine how bad those other cities must be, considering what the analysts must consider "good." The roads around here are terrible!
Posted by Taminar
29th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
I live in the Detroit Metropolitan area. I frequently visit Chicago and the western suburbs there. In addition I lived in Austin about 10 years ago and last year I was in Marin and rode my bike from San Francisco to LA and then beyond towards San Pedro.
The suburban roads around Chicago are excellent and certainly better than most in comparable neighborhoods here in the Detroit area. I rode in and around Milwaukee a while back and was amazed at how great the roads were at a latitude similar to where I live.
In the Austin region the roads were fantastic. They use a heavier grade asphalt with larger stones and the only problems were heat (my guess) derived fissures that appear now and then but generally no potholes to speak of. Even the back country roads were paved and though coarse in texture, no potholes that I can recall.
In California, I rode on roads in SF, Marin, all the way to LA and I don't recall one pothole in about 680 miles of riding. This included numerous cities and towns and back country lanes. One evening we ran late and had to ride in the dark in LA and that puts a rider at risk. No potholes bothered us last Halloween in LA. Traffic might be an issue but as far as this bikerider is concerned, Detroit, and even Oakland County, MI, only a few years ago the fourth most affluent county in the nation, was a mess.
Posted by EJLMotiveForce
29th Sep 2010
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Trucks vs cars - it's the axle weight
The damage done to the road bed by passing traffic is proportional to the CUBE of the axle weight for any given speed - and the SQUARE of the speed.

Ie: A 5 ton axle weight is doing 125 times as much damage to the road bed as a 1 ton weight, and the damage is 4 times higher at 60mph than it is at 30mph

That's why trucks have axle weight AND speed limits.

Spreading the load across multiple axles helps a lot because it not only reduces the static pressure on the road surface, but also spreads the impact of the passing vehicle over a greater time period.

Once a road has been damaged beyond its limits by heavy traffic it only takes passing cars to finish it off. Potholes start out small and are then opened up by cars...
Posted by ajb2@...
30th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
In our Midwest state, when they replace or update the roads they are using asphalt at least a foot thick if not thicker like the writer above described about the autobahn. It makes you wonder though. With all of the infrastructure needs the US has (being the best and 1st has its down side as well) and as big as it is you would think we could generate enough projects similar to the Interstate project from the 40's/50's to give jobs to people that want them. They are living jobs, not high-pay, but enough to live, raise a family and educate the kids type of jobs. Makes you wonder how powerful the road and labor lobbies are? I mean you would think Unions - even as messed up as that process is - would have something to say, but it looks like they are part of the problem as well.
Posted by ItsTheBottomLine
30th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
Poorly researched article in terms of ther worst roads. I can think of many, many other areas with roads so bad they are pretty much impassible.

Seattle/Tacoma and just about any "Farm Road" in Texas come to mind. Northeast Ohio is pretty awful, too.
Posted by thombone
30th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
Canada has the same kind of road problems as any state in the northern U.S., and yet, in Ontario, our provincial roads are amongst the best maintained of any in the world.

Back in the 70s, Road maintenance was costing the province a lot of money, and the poor state of the roads was slowing and even preventing the transport of people and goods. Bad roods were bad for business. The Premier at the time, Bill Davis, felt that an ounce of prevention was worth a pound of cure. So his government devised a program utilizing 37 provincial road inspectors and a large mainframe-based database to keep track of the roads, when they were repaired, and what their repairs were. Over the course of his tenure, roads moved from being fixed because they were damaged to being maintained before they got damaged. This resulted in a roughly 90% savings to the province. Cracks are sealed almost as soon as they form. Repaving crews are out before any potholes have a chance to appear. It's been a very long time since any provincially-maintained road needed to be completely shut down for road work.

Successive governments, looking to cut costs, have looked at reducing the number of road inspectors, only to be told that a decrease in them would amount to a massive increase in road maintenance costs (i.e. more than 10x). Mike Harris was able to cut the number of inspectors slightly, only because he turned some provincial roads over to the municipalities. Fewer roads meant fewer inspectors. Still, we're down to 29 now.

Ontario's per capita cost for road maintenance is amongst the lowest of all of the provinces, and yet our provincial roads are amongst the best maintained in the world. (Too bad many municipalities and other provinces have not followed suit.)

I am telling you all this with the hope that other places like California and other States will adopt the idea. Good ideas are worth adopting, no matter where they come from. Good roads are good for business. An ounce of prevention IS worth a pound of cure.
Posted by mheartwood
30th Sep 2010
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RE: America's roads are falling apart
First off, all of America's infrastructure is in an abysmal shape. I
worked all my life in the IT industry where old is one month old,
and now I work outside of it and it really hits you when you deal
with simple brick and mortar. Article after article outline how little
care is given here to road, houses, bridges etc. Cost cutting
affects quality, both in transportation and outside of it.
The real trouble is that the US will never be able to catch up in
e.g. railroads. Every year waiting and hand wringing about the
cost will let the cost rise, nevertheless an excellent transportation
system that keeps cars off the road is the only way to go.
The obvious, but impossible solution? Let gasoline prices rise to
their real, un-subsidized cost of $5-10 per gallon.
Posted by jackvandijk
30th Sep 2010
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wash board effect...
I hear different reasons being thrown about for causing the washboard effect found on many road. Actually both trucks and cars cause the washboards, but the root cause is a poorly constructed road base.

If rounded stones or flat are used in the base they slid over each other over time with the weight and pressures exerted by the braking of cars and trucks.

That is why the wash boards are found at points in the road where braking happens the most.

Properly compacted angular stones lock into each other and you have less movement of the road base.
Posted by Hates Idiots
1st Oct 2010
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It's a Symptom of the Pillaging & Pirating of Public Coffers across the USA
As public coffers are pillaged and fiduciary mismanagement occurs, legislators and bureacrats appease their own self-interests and cronies while the budgets are cut and debt burden is placed upon generations. Too many have been unanswerable to the citizens by avoiding disclosure requirements, creating quasi-government enterprises, participating in unregulated schemes, authorizing debt and imposing dubious fees without the consent of citizens, having closed-door policy for preferred constituents, and utilizing absurd accounting practices that would get any other citizen into trouble.
Inordinate compensation and exorbitantly unsustainable pension benefits are like divine right despite the havoc that is being wrought upon civic services and infrastructure as well as the quality of life for generations. That is the operation of a despotic oligarchy and not democratic republic principles that the people should only consent for government. Like I said, though many actions aren't right, are unethical, and create havoc as well as cause socioeconomic disparity, somehow the rule of laws principles have been heisted by smug opportunists to be like a divine right! This has become a perversion of principles, abuse of public trust, and does not deserve to be protected much less tolerated but immediately annulled. Human error, incompetence, and hubris notwithstanding much of this is criminal, unethical, and blatant disregard at its worse. History is wrought with such evidence that had promoted a justified response of civil outrage and began the path toward ridding the scourge of public trust and accountability in order to restore sound, unselfish, and responsible representation for the public good and for the future generations.
Posted by donnydo77@...
5th Oct 2010
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