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Airbus A350 versus Boeing 787: differences and many similarities

By | March 1, 2010, 10:07 AM PST

If you removed its name in the spec sheet, Airbus’ forthcoming A350 XWB (eXtra Wide Body) passenger jet could easily be confused with its primary rival, the Boeing 787 Dreamliner. It will take a while before you can easily distinguish one from the other once they are both regularly in the air.

The A350 will be made from 53 per cent carbon fiber; the 787 is 50 per cent carbon fiber. Both are long range and can fly in excess of 8,000 miles without refueling. Somewhat bigger, the A350 will have 270-440 seats to the 787’s is 210-330. Both come in three models although the smallest 787 may be dropped.

A350 or Boeing 787? (answer: A350). credit: Airbus

A350 or Boeing 787? (answer: A350). credit: Airbus

The A350 promises 25 per cent fuel consumption improvement from its “current long range nearest competitor (it’s unclear what plane Airbus is comparing the A350 to on fuel efficiency, but offers it as a replacement for “any [Boeing] 747 operator”); the 787 claims to deliver 15 per cent better fuel efficiency over the similarly-sized (and aged) Boeing 767.

The 787 has 876 orders from 53 customers while the A350 has 505 from 32 customers (about what the 787 had at the same stage in its development). The A350 windows are wider; the 787’s are taller.

It goes on and on like that. For the flyer,  you say ToeMAYto, I say ToeMAHto.

Of course, there are major differences.

One area in the A350 that will distinguish it from other passengers jetliners, though, will be the cockpit which will have six “very large LCD displays” comprising the flight information center instead of the 10 found in the A380 super jumbojet (much of the technology in the A350 was hatched in the A380). Solid state electronics in the cockpit also reduce the need for the hundreds of individual circuit breakers typically found in jetliners.

Six "very large" displays in the A350 cockpit. credit: Airbus

Six "very large" displays in the A350 cockpit. credit: Airbus

Another difference is that the A350 is still on paper. The first one won’t roll off the line in Airbus’ new Toulouse, France final assembly plant until 2011. Airbus expects to enter the A350 into service in 2013, but if its experience is anything like Boeing’s with the 787, add two years to that timetable. Some aviation bloggers say there’s hints the schedule is already slipping.

With any luck, Boeing will ship the first 787 to customers in the fourth quarter of this year.

Given the scale of investment, the effort to design jetliners and competiton in the same markets, it stands to reason they are similar in both size and technology. But it doesn’t always work that way: Airbus developed the huge and less successful A380 while Boeing concentrated on the more modest 787.

Another major difference is that the biggest model, the A350 1000, will carry up to 100 passengers more than the biggest 787. Boeing’s answer to that is the 747-8 Intercontinental, a new model of the world’s first jumbojet.

The A350 will be a lot more expensive than the 787. It lists for $225-$285 million; At $150-$205 million, the 787 is a relative bargain. Those prices are usually discounted, but the starting point for the conversation would clearly seem to favor Boeing unless the A350 turns out to be that much better.

Buying something as sophisticated as jetliners, however, isn’t just a head-on comparison of price performance. Years of dealmaking includes courtships, politics and occasionally, bribes. Time and sales wise, though, the A350 has to climb much higher to reach cruising altitude than the 787 at this point.

One area where I think Airbus is considerably ahead of Boeing is its web site. Airbus.com is more easier searched and much more visually pleasing. But can that translate into an edge in airplane performance..and sales?

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RE: Airbus A350 versus Boeing 787: differences and many similarities
I found one link to Boeing, and the rest to Airbus> What gives?
Posted by danfrsc@...
2nd Mar 2010
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RE: Airbus A350 versus Boeing 787: differences and many similarities
You make some comparisons here that are not correct. First when comparing the A350-1000, you need to compare that to a 777-200LR or -300ER. The A350-1000 is not comparable to a 747-8I. The 747-8I is comparable to the A380, especially in terms of per seat mile cost, which is how airlines measure performance of airplanes. How about this comparison that you left off: The 787 is made from a single one-piece co-cured composite barrel, the A350 is using panelized skin construction similar to metal airplanes. One more comparison, not related to A350 vs 787, but A380 vs 747: The 747-8I can fly into every airport that currently supports 747s without expensive modifications to infrastructure.
Posted by mathill81
2nd Mar 2010
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RE: Airbus A350 versus Boeing 787: differences and many similarities
...AND THEN THERE IS THE REAL ISSUE...BOEING IS US, AND AIRBUS IS THEM...
Posted by NATRON15
2nd Mar 2010
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RE: Airbus A350 versus Boeing 787: differences and many similarities
Mathill81,

I did not make up the A350-1000 comparison to the 747 - that's from
Airbus. Further down in the post, I did say say the 747-8 will
compete in the up to 440 seat aircraft market against the A350-1000.
And indeed, it will as will 777-300er which can stuff in as many as
440 seats but typically tops out at 390 seats in a three class
configuration. That said, I should have mentioned the 777 as an A350
competitor. It will be, but will be 15-year older technology than
the A350.

You added some good points, but my comparisons are correct.

Danfrsc - I've covered the 787 ad nauseum...about time I covered
Airbus, too.
Posted by John Dodge
2nd Mar 2010
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What the A350 really is...
We have seen direct comparisons between the A350 and the 787, as well as between it and the 777. The fact is that both are valid, and both are slightly misleading.

The A350 is between the 787 and 777 in size, albeit closer to the 777 than the 787. The baseline A350-900 -- the first version that will enter service -- seats 315 passengers (3-class). This is almost exactly the number of seats as the smaller 777 variant; the 777-200. The 270 seat A350-800 or the 350 seat A350-1000 are simply cutdown and stretched versions of the A350-900. At 270 seats the A350-800 matches the larger 787 (787-9) seat for seat. At 350 seats the A350-1000 is close to, but not quite as big as the 380 seat 777-300. The cabin width, again, is between the 777 and the 787.

Airbus's strategy is to take on the 787 and the 777 with one aircraft. This is more economical from an investment and production standpoint than doing two separate aircrafts. However, the A350-800 compared to the 787 will be overweight and will not quite match the flexibility and economy of Boeing's smaller platform if the customer is looking for a smaller plane. On the other hand, the A350-1000 will not match the 777 in terms of range, passengers or payload even though it may be slightly more miserly on fuel. This is what happens when you try to lengthen or shorten an aircraft too much with the same wing.

The 787 makes sense for Boeing because it already has a 777 in the upper range of the discussed spectrum. It hence can concentrate on making the best possible 220~270 seater. The 777 will either get redesigned or replaced to improve its competitiveness against the A350-1000 -- replacing the GE90 engines and re-winging will pretty much match the -1000, a new aircraft optimized for the 380 seat size class will exceed it.

From a business standpoint, Boeing is in a slightly better situation. The 787 is sell very well and is already a profitable product, as is the 777. The 747-8 is not yet there, but it is very likely that it will at around 200~250 airframes and it is already half way there.

Airbus is in a worse position because of the number of duds they have in the portfolio. The A380 will not be profitable in the next decade if ever -- it is not selling at all in the past couple of years and they need about 450 to break even. The A340-500/600 really ought to be cancelled for being completely out competed by the 777 (10:1 win ratio is pretty bad). The A330 is basically a sun setting product like the 767 and will be taken over by the A350. It is also doubtful that the A350 will match the total sales volume of the 787 and the 777 (or its replacement) which is the A350's mission.
Posted by dwightlooi
15th May 2010
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Dead On
This is a great post. Most of the conclusions are extremely accurate.
Posted by Eddie Rickenbacker
9th Dec
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Airbus will make profit from the A380 in 2014 or 2015
@dwigthlooi
You write: "The A380 will not be profitable in the next decade if ever"

Latest citation of the German Airbus-Chief Thomas Enders from 23th of July: "2014 oder 2015 werden wir Geld verdienen mit der A380"

...means Airbus will make profit from the A380 in 2014 or 2015.
Posted by G7.G7
2nd Aug 2010
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Airbus will make profit from the A380 in 2014 or 2015
Airbus will make a "profit" in accounting terms. It needs to deliver 450 planes to make a true Profit on the a380. The b787 will make a Profit after it delivers 1100 planes. The b787 has over 800 orders and will need 25% more orders to turn a profit (when it delivers the planes). Airbus needs 40% more orders to turn the profit.
Posted by Eddie Rickenbacker
9th Dec
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RE: Airbus A350 versus Boeing 787: differences and many similarities
concerning mathill81's good point - yes, I wonder which will be
easier, cheaper and more convenient to repair after a collision with
a loader or some such accident - a plane where you can swap in a
new panel and repair the old one in a workshop, or one you have to
take into the hangar to repair the one piece fuselage?
Posted by TR19
14th Oct 2010
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RE: Airbus A350 versus Boeing 787: differences and many similarities
Can anyone comment on the different software systems used to design the A350 and 787 on ?
Posted by imola
24th Nov 2010
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RE: Airbus A350 versus Boeing 787: differences and many similarities
"Latest citation of the German Airbus-Chief Thomas Enders from 23th of July: "2014 oder 2015 werden wir Geld verdienen mit der A380"

...means Airbus will make profit from the A380 in 2014 or 2015."

This is deceptive sales speak. It means the manufacturing process costs vs the selling price will reach a profitable position in 2014 04 15.

However the development costs still need to be amortized and aren't included in the above. Airbus themselves predict that total project profitiability won't be reached until 400 units have been delivered, a total output that may take more than 20 years to achieve. And may never be acheived...
Posted by Rocketman10
30th Jan 2011
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Airbus Finances
There seems to be some confusion about Airbus and its finances. It is well known in that Airbus is not really a profit making corporation but a consortium of several European governments. As such, its "books" are in effect not comparable to those of Boeing. In point of fact, Airbus has probably not made money on any of its planes except its narrow body A 320's.
Going forward, Airbus has two problems. First, ever diminishing finances of the governments which own it . Second, the disastrous ill-conceived poorly executed A380. The problems with this plane are legion. In essence, the A380 is a big old technology plane which is too expensive to operate unless it flies full or nearly so. The problem for Airbus, especially in light of having lost the subsidy battle, is that it has committed its strategy to a white elephant, thereby leaving the door open for Boeing to bring out a much more fuel efficient and forward technology plane at a later date. Airlines know this. Hence, the feeble rate of A380 orders.
Posted by W.H. Langeman
Updated - 28th Sep
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AS STATED
A350 IT WILL NOT MATERIALIZED TILL 2020, A380 WILL STOP PRODUCTION DUE TO LUCK OF ORDER, LIKE CONCORDE.
Posted by TITOSKIE
3rd Oct
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re. "As Stated"
... that comment is about as valid as its author's spelling !
Posted by Axel in Milton Keynes
Updated - 17th Oct
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