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Coming soon: 100% renewable power

By | December 12, 2012, 3:00 AM PST

One day in the not-too-distant future — probably sooner than many expect — some parts of the world will have power grids that are completely powered by renewables. Eventually, the entire world could be powered by renewables.

These are not green pie-in-the-sky fantasies, but the conclusions of recent research.

There is no doubt that renewable resources are positively vast. Solar alone could power the world: The solar energy that falls on the Earth every minute is more than the amount of fossil fuel the world uses every year. Wind alone could provide about 15 times the world’s energy demand. The recoverable geothermal heat under the U.S. is about 140,000 times its annual energy consumption. Wave power alone could supply twice as much electricity as the world consumes.

Capturing that energy, and being able to use it to power everything, is the hard part.

Probably the most ambitious attempt to quantify that challenge to date has been done by Mark Jacobson and Mark Delucchi of Stanford University, who have published a series of papers over the past several years outlining how it could be done. In 2010, they published two papers (Part I and Part II) estimating how the world’s energy demand for all purposes — including electric power, transportation, heating and cooling — could be met with renewables by 2030, and replace the existing energy generation mix by 2050:

  • 3,800,000 5-MW wind turbines
  • 49,000 300-MW concentrated solar plants
  • 40,000 300-MW solar PV power plants
  • 1.7 billion 3-kW rooftop PV systems
  • 5,350 100-MW geothermal power plants
  • 270 new 1300-MW hydroelectric power plants
  • 720,000 0.75-MW wave devices
  • 490,000 1-MW tidal turbines
  • Storage in grid-connected electric and hybrid-electric vehicles
  • Increased grid transmission capability

(A quick word on units: A kilowatt, or kW, is 1000 watts. A megawatt, or MW, is 1000 kW. A gigawatt, or GW, is 1000 MW.)

Surprisingly, Jacobson and Delucchi found that this power generation infrastructure would actually reduce world power demand by 30 percent, using only 0.41 percent more of the world’s land for footprint and 0.59 percent more for spacing, at a similar cost to what we pay today. The main barriers to the transition, they concluded, “are primarily social and political, not technological or even economic.”

So we know that, at least in theory, a global energy transition to renewables could be done.

Important questions still remain, however. Could the variable generation from renewables, including intermittent ones like wind and solar, meet fluctuating hourly demand within a single transmission region? And what would be the lowest cost mix of technologies that could achieve that?

A real-world model

A new paper from researchers at the University of Delaware attempts to answer these questions. They developed a model of how the PJM Interconnection (the RTO that coordinates the movement of wholesale electricity in all or parts of Delaware, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Michigan, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia and the District of Columbia), constituting one-fifth of U.S. electric power demand, could be met using only wind, solar, and storage.

The researchers ran a simulation program which evaluated 28 billion combinations of wind, solar and various storage technologies against four years (1999 to 2002) of historical grid load and weather data to determine the least costly solution that would meet the actual hourly demands on that grid. The total power capacity on the PMJ RTO during the simulation years was 72 GW.

The researchers estimated the total generation needed for each type of resource, and did not specify the number and size of generators. But based on the information in the paper and its summary in ScienceDaily, I find that one of the model’s solutions could be met with roughly:

  • 4.25 million 4-kW (residential) rooftop solar systems
  • 13,600 5-MW offshore wind turbines
  • 38,000 3-MW onshore wind turbines
  • No more than 72 hours’ worth of distributed hydrogen storage

Some of these numbers may seem impractically large at first blush, but they’re useful for imagining what the system might look like, and they’re feasible. A real-world generation mix would involve fewer and larger generators, including offshore wind turbines twice as large, larger onshore turbines, and commercial rooftop solar systems up to 500 kW in size, like those installed on Ikea and Walmart buildings over the past two years.

Including utility-scale solar PV and solar thermal systems in the mix would sharply reduce the number of rooftop systems needed. Adding geothermal and marine energy generation into the mix — a reasonable bet by 2030 — could sharply reduce the number of wind turbines needed. Finally, eliminating 30 percent or more of the load through efficiency improvements, which is certainly possible, would further reduce the system size.

If tens of thousands of wind turbines still seems unrealistic, consider this: Everyone now seems convinced that the U.S. will drill another 12,000 (or if Continental’s CEO Harold Hamm is to be believed, 39,000) tight oil wells over the next decade, at $10 to $13 million each, which will become marginally productive “stripper wells” after 10 years or less. Is it so hard to believe that we could put up 50,000 wind turbines (at $1.3 - $2.2 million/MW capacity, or around $5 - $10 million a pop for a 5 MW turbine) in 20 years, which will produce energy for 20 years or longer?

Surprising results

Several remarkable conclusions emerged from the Delaware study.

Consider this graph of the simulation:

Over four years, generation from fossil fuels would have been needed only five times in summer months, at only about one-third of the total system generation capacity. That fossil fuel capacity would be met by natural gas.

This renewably-powered grid could meet 99.9% of the demand hours in 2030, at a cost comparable to today’s grid power, without subsidies.

Due to the high cost of storage with today’s technologies, the researchers found that it was cheaper to build almost three times the generation capacity needed to meet demand than to build exactly the generation capacity needed with more backup. However, based on the enormous amount of research and development going into storage technologies worldwide, I am confident that significantly better and cheaper storage options will be available by 2030. Better storage would reduce the number of generators needed to meet the Delaware researchers’ model, substantially reducing the cost of their solution.

Powering ahead

Briefly, let’s review.

We know that the renewable resources are orders of magnitude larger than what we need to run the world.

We know that the grid can be almost completely powered by renewables, with a small amount of natural gas standby generation, using a reasonable and feasible number of collectors.

As I detailed in March, we know that renewables now provide up to 30 percent of the power on well-managed grids in Europe, and could do the same in the U.S. Indeed, the German experience has shown that renewables tend to push nuclear and fossil fuel capacity off the grid.

As I wrote in October, we know that a renewably-powered grid is actually more stable than a conventional fossil fuel-powered grid, and can accommodate an even larger percentage of intermittent renewable power. All it takes is good grid design and planning. Those who argue that the grid will always need 100 percent standby capacity from conventional fossil fuel plants because renewables are intermittent are simply wrong. It’s like saying that because removing one leg of a three-legged milking stool will make it fall down, all chairs must have exactly three legs. Building the grid for distributed renewables is like building a chair with 50,000 legs — it’s inherently more stable than the centralized generation architecture of today.

We know that storage is advancing rapidly, and will enable very high penetration rates of renewables in the coming decades.

And we know that by 2030, renewably-generated grid power will be no more expensive than the grid power we have today, using very modest assumptions about the future cost of fossil fuels. In my expert opinion, nearly all of the comparative cost studies I’ve seen are far too conservative on that point. By 2030, the cost of fossil fuels will be far higher than historical trends suggest, making renewable power competitive with conventional power much earlier than anticipated.

In fact, recent studies show that unsubsidized solar generation could be cheaper than conventional grid power within a decade. Following current cost trends, solar is already competitive with regular grid power in sunny regions like the Southwest United States, at $0.12/kWh, and will be the cheapest way to generate power in Latin America, Africa, the Middle East, Australia, India, and much of Asia by 2018, as I wrote last November.

A new report from the Institute for Local Self-Reliance finds that 300 GW of unsubsidized solar power will be competitive with conventional grid power in the U.S. by 2022, meeting 9 percent of the nation’s electricity demand. As the report’s author John Farrell observes, the challenge is no longer how to build renewable power cheaply enough; it’s how to prepare for it.

Even in the laggard U.S., despite the high-profile troubles of some manufacturing companies, solar is powering ahead. A new report from the Solar Energy Industries Association and GTM Research finds that third quarter solar installations jumped 44 percent over the previous year. The U.S. will install a record 3.2 GW of new solar capacity in 2012, bringing the national total of solar PV to nearly 6 GW. And that growth rate is expected to continue, with 7.8 GW of new capacity installed in 2016.

Meanwhile, the list of countries aiming to supply most or all of their grid power from renewables continues to grow. The most recent is Australia, which recently released a white paper outlining how the country could meet 40 percent of its power from renewables by 2035, and 85 percent by 2050.

To repeat Jacobson and Delucchi: The barriers to a totally renewably-powered world are social and political, not technological or economic. And those barriers are falling fast.

So get ready, grid operators. The energy transition juggernaut is coming. The only real question now is whether you’ll be ready for it in time.

Photo: BrightSource’s 377 MW Ivanpah solar project, the world’s largest solar thermal plant, now under construction in California’s Mojave Desert. Image from Brightsource.


Update, Dec. 13: After soliciting feedback on this article from the principal author of the University of Delaware paper, I should clarify a few things.

First, the simulation modeled the PJM grid load in 1999-2002, but with 2030 prices. They did not try to predict the grid composition or load in 2030. Partially, this was to simplify the calculations they needed to perform and stay within their computational constraints.

Second, the lowest-cost solution they found used grid-connected vehicles for storage, not the hydrogen solution I described in the article, although hydrogen was a close second (and the researchers may have overestimated its cost, so it might in fact be the cheapest of the storage technologies they used in the simulation). The generation and storage capacity for the grid-connected vehicle solution is shown in the following table.

That solution could be satisfied using:

  • 4 million 4-kW (residential) rooftop solar systems
  • 17,940 5-MW offshore wind turbines
  • 41,333 3-MW onshore wind turbines
  • No more than 72 hours’ worth of distributed vehicle storage

The authors also point out that at 90 percent penetration, there was no solar in the system.  Only when the penetration of renewables was increased to 99.9 percent did the solar portion rise to around 30 GW, with the inland wind generation staying roughly the same.

The authors acknowledge that other technologies, like demand response, could lead to even cheaper systems, and could be incorporated into future simulations.

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All Individuals Should Take the Initiative
I have solar panels at my home. I am not 100% self sufficient yet but that is the ultimate goal. If every individual took the initiative to power their own needs, we could end the stalemate. I contend that the stalemate is caused because big business is trying to figure out how to make the huge profit margins they are used to making before they take the plunge.
Posted by scjeff
12th Dec
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produce and reduce
I'm under 250kWh almost every month, including winter - how many can reduce their footprint, not just cover it?
Posted by aniaksdh
12th Dec
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producproduce and reduce
We use less than 60kWh a month.......! No BS... and we export 300kWh a month to the grid.

http://damnthematrix.wordpress.com/2012/11/21/more-power-of-energy-efficiency/
http://damnthematrix.wordpress.com/?s=powering+up+collapse
Posted by Damnthematrix
14th Dec
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Arizona usage
I have a traditional sized suburban home and keep my electric usage under 500 kWh six or months of the year...and that is in AZ. I still need to insulate my attic better, but I have dual pane LowE windows, CF bulbs and a gas stove/hot water heater. I haven't developed good habits for reducing the VAMPIRE appliances that use current all the time. When I have two other people living here, I don't really anticipate the need for more than 750 kWh's, so it is definitely possible. My JULY and AUGUST and SEPTEMBER bills are still approximately 1000, 2000 and 1000 kWh's respectively but I am working on getting those down too by using an evaporative cooler as much as possible. If I were to put solar panels on my large south facing roof, I would be producing much more than I use, but I can't afford the panels yet.
Posted by ViableWay
16th Dec
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DIY
I can't afford to buy the panels or the VAWTs for the heavily insulated home I'm building (probably because all of my money is sunk into the house building). But I found I could get Grade A solar cells for $200 for 100 cells. That will make a nice panel, some assembly required. And a couple of DC motors, each for about $50, some wood and some PVC pipe and I'll eventually also have a pair of VAWTs.
Posted by mheartwood
12th Dec
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Renewables in my opinion are an incredible waste of time and resources
It makes me sad to see this conversation and the responses. Renewables in my opinion are an incredible waste of time and resources and will not solve dangerous climate change but make it inevitable. Most people do not live in their own houses or have the means to invest in renewables. This inane drive into renewables will prolong global poverty and prevent fossil fuels from being phased out. Take a look in the future lets say a hundred years from now, do you see the Space Ship Enterprise being powered by solar collectors? The key to human existence and prosperity is a very high density energy source. Only small nuclear reactors powered by Thorium or Uranium can resolve the climate and world poverty problem. All the energy used to launch the space shuttle can be generated with a few gram of Thorium or Uranium.
Posted by Roland Riese
12th Dec
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Renewables is bad!?!
It could well turn out in 50years time that "renewables" are frowned upon, due to the large environmental impact. The old saying no free lunch stays true. Extracting that amount of energy from the forces of nature could turn out to be bad for the climate. Less energy to heat the earth, less wind power to change the seasons, less tidal power to drive the cyclic changes in the sea.........who knows?
Posted by Riaanh
Updated - 12th Dec
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who knows
Please, run to you local grocery store and grab a large paper bag and stick you head in it while you run back home. Let us know how that works for you.
Posted by johnbowers
13th Dec
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But fossil fuels are even worse !!!
@johnbowers - Oh, I really like your debating skills. Please don't misunderstand me, fossil fuels are even worse. As Roland said a longer term solution would probably be some type of nuclear reaction. The by products are more easily controlled than all the CO2 and possible other side effects of even renewables. We can at least put it in a barrel and blast it into space if need be. wink Bottom line is we should not stop investing in nuclear fusion research.
Posted by Riaanh
Updated - 14th Dec
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solar efficiency
Did you see where enough solar energy falls on the world in ONE MINUTE to power the entire world for a YEAR? I understand unintended consequences can sometimes cause problems, but I fail to see how harvesting energy from the sun will cause any more problems than planting enough trees to use that energy for photosynthesis. TIDAL energy, and possibly geothermal and wind energy might disrupt things, but not solar IMO. FUSION energy might solve a lot of problems, since the byproducts are essentially HELIUM, but we still haven't been able to access that power yet.
Posted by ViableWay
16th Dec
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nuclear reactors
I am baffled by your response. The topic was renewable energy and you went to a process that produces a waist product that we can't control and kills
us faster than air or water pollution.
Posted by johnbowers
13th Dec
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FISSION is not the only nuclear power!
The byproducts of FUSION are HELIUM and ENERGY...not radioactive energy either!
Posted by ViableWay
16th Dec
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Not true
Read up on Wikipedia how various fusion designs actually work.

The waste product of the immediate reaction could well be helium but the easier fusion processes D-T all involve massive production of energetic neutrons that will convert the surrounding containment vessel into highly radioactive material which could well have to be replaced every year or so. Then there is the issue with tritium, it is radioactive with 12 yr half life, very little of it. To power a working fusion D-T plant you would need many conventional nuclear plants to supply the tritium. Or you use up lithium to make tritium on the fly. The D-D reaction is even harder. The version of fusion that makes no neutrons is even harder.

Fusion is so far off it likely still won't work for another 50 years forever, or at least a few hundred years. It is worth doing though because when we crack it, we will have enough deuterium in the oceans to last several billion years.

We might also hope that Prof Bussard's Polywell and Dr Lerner's Focus Fusion are onto something.

In the mean time we have nuclear power which could move over to breeders to burn up waste or depleted uranium and we have thorium which is relatively a 1000 times cleaner than current once through designs. Fission power U/Th could last for several thousand years.

So the ideal would be to fission uranium then thorium then fusion.
Posted by energy_guy
20th Dec
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Wrong.....
No, the future of civilisation lies in powering down. 200 years ago, EVERYTHING was powered by renewables, fossil fuels hadn't been discovered yet..... Today we are much smarter than then, and 90% of all the energy we consume is wasted on trivial crap nobody needs.
Posted by Damnthematrix
14th Dec
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YES...reduction of consumption isn't reduction of QUALITY OF LIFE!
I recently saw plans for a DIRIGIBLE using HELIUM instead of HYDROGEN. It could take off and land anywhere, and used much much less energy to travel, and could travel about 120 miles per hour. The use of DC power instead of AC would greatly reduce our footprint too, and well insulated homes or the ability to get away from the SEVENTY TWO DEGREE mentality and accept temperatures from 62 to 83 degrees (I call it the 21 degree mentality) will reduce consumption tremendously. I believe it is at least 2% reduction for every degree change.
Posted by ViableWay
16th Dec
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wrong
Before 200 years ago most of our lifestyle was based on slavery, both people and animals plus hunting to near extinction of whales for their oils and many other species. Hard work was backbreaking, most people lived on subsistence levels.

Fossil power has allowed the world population to increase 7 fold and for the richer countries to have about 15 to 30 times more energy. Overall world energy use is up 28 fold but it isn't evenly spread around at 4 times for everybody, so many are stuck at the same level as before.

There simply isn't enough biomass to go back to 200 years ago with 7x the population unless we mostly die off.

Once fossil fuels go and the AGW works its way along we get to live in a very different world.
Posted by energy_guy
20th Dec
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Right
this is the truth we don't want to see.
Posted by imaginal110
28th Dec
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Lets do it
And this sounds like for the PJM interchange that we would also decommission all nuclear plants by that time. If we keep a bit of nuclear in the mix and really focus on energy efficiency, then this is even easier for us to do. One thing is for sure, we need leadership to force the utilities to do this and to stop adding non renewable capacity. Why add a coal or even natural gas fired plant which is justified by a 30 year life span if we are going to be close to 100% renewable in 20 years? Also, let's do a carbon tax so private enterprise will choose the renewable solution and we won't have to have government forcing us to do this.
Posted by Brouse_invest@...
12th Dec
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Contradicting yourself...
Doing a carbon tax, is the same as government forcing private enterprise towards renewable solutions. Taxes are government tools, used to collect funds for government functions, and they could be used to punish companies and individuals, and what you're suggesting is using taxation for punishment.
Posted by adornoe
12th Dec
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Taxation as Policy
The Government collects taxes to pay the cost of Government services. How and from whom these taxes are collected necessarily has policy implications. Collecting taxes on cigaretts for instance discourages smoking. Collecting taxes on capital gains arguably discourages investment. And, collecting taxes on CO2 producing industries will discourage inefficient use of resources and pollution of the environment. So, what would you prefer to discourage, investment or pollution?
Posted by z2217
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I'm not arguing against taxation; I'm arguing against unnecessary and
punitive taxation.

Government needs taxes and fees in order to fund "necessary" spending.

Collecting taxes on capital gains, does not "arguably" discourage investment; it "for certain", discourage investment.

Collecting taxes on smoking might discourage "some" from smoking, but, has there really been a reduction in the total number of people smoking? Raising taxes on smokers, just makes their habit a lot more expensive. If they really want to do something about smoking, then government should forbid smoking via laws, but, it's still legal to do so, so, why should it be punished? Driving causes many thousands of lives to be lost on a yearly basis, and it also causes many thousands (perhaps millions) of injuries on a yearly basis, thereby making driving a very expensive and deadly proposition. So, why not ban driving, or discourage it by raising the price of gas to "punishment" type levels, like they did with smoking?

CO2 is a byproduct of driving and other energy uses. Raising taxes on oil or CO2 producing fuels, creates a burden for personal and business use, which translates to a big burden to the economy, which means that, if people and businesses have to spend more on fuel, there will be less personal and business funds to spend elsewhere in the economy, which will and has, caused many businesses to close shop and millions of people to lose jobs.

The problem with democrats/liberals is that, they don't understand repercussions. In physics, we understand that, to every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. In economics, every action creates repercussions that reverberate throughout the economy. Punishment economics not only hurts people and businesses with higher prices, but it also sends many of those businesses to foreign lands, which means millions of jobs lost. We are witnessing those repercussions on a daily basis, and we are digging an even deeper hole with higher taxation (or punishment taxation) and with the massive number of regulations, many of which are also intended as punitive actions against the sectors which democrats deem "out of line".
Posted by adornoe
14th Dec
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We LIBERALS do understand economics and physics.
Every one of your hypotheses are based on flawed assumptions. The current adaptation to circumstances has built in benefits to BIG PHARMA, BIG AGRICULTURE, BIG OIL, BIG INSURANCE and BIG FINANCE by way of tax incentives and subsidies that HIDE the TRUE COST of things. The 9 billion dollars in subsidies to the oil companies LAST YEAR ALONE...could better have been spent developing renewable energy, and people would have reduced their travel because of the high HONEST cost of gasoline. There could easily be REBATES to people for temporary needs to use existing technology to get back and forth to work, but many people would find ways to BANK THE REBATES and REDUCE THEIR USE (carpools, work at home, four day work weeks are just a few adaptations that become WIN/WIN)

adornoe, I am sure you are used to thinking yourself superior intellectually to bleeding hearts, but I WAS ONE OF YOU until I started doing RESEARCH that shows FOLLOWING THE MONEY has to be TRANSPARENT, and using taxes to support corporations at the expense of individuals leads to TRICKLE UP, not TRICKLE DOWN. I can go on forever about how corporations WRITE THE REGULATIONS they later ***** about...and they are written to make it harder for smaller companies to compete with their teams of lawyers and accountants.
Posted by ViableWay
16th Dec
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Big Oil subsidies
1. 4.5B of those "subsidies" didn't go to Big Oil, they went to find the Low Income Home Energy Assistance program (LIHEAP). This provides discounted heating and cooling to low income families.
2. Only 1.5% of Big Oil are owned by executive big wigs, the other 98.5% are owned by the public through personal brokerage accounts, mutual funds and pension funds. The money is not "trickling up".
3. $1B of the Big Oil subsidies go to farmers as a fuel tax exemption because their equipment doesn't use the roads (which the tax goes to pay for).
4. Part of the Big Oil subsidies are tax credits for manufacturing in the US, which provides an incentive for those companies not to move their operations overseas. The subsidies not only apply to oil companies but any US corporations (including Microsoft and Apple). The subsidies result in a direct positive effect on the US economy and jobs.
5. Not everyone has the luxury of being able to work from home, or carpool (think construction workers, teachers, fire fighters, police, retail service staff, maintenance jobs, cleaners, delivery staff etc).

So it is important to first understand what those $9B in subsidies are, and why they can't just be dropped and spent on renewal programs instead. Just look at what happened with Solyndra, a $850M loss to the taxpayers, who funded this experiment in green technology.

That said, I am not a raging Republican, and have no affiliation to the oil industry. I do agree that we need to actively invest in renewable energy sources but I think there are better ways to go about it, then cutting these subsidies.

Did you stop to consider the current US military budget ($680B in 2011)? That's 2 orders of magnitude more money than any subsidies. Why not cut this budget, or better yet eliminate it entirely (as in the case of Costa Rica)?
Posted by mangist
19th Dec
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a tax by any other name
Small, remote towns in Alaska have little hope of affording the means to generate power by renewable sources, and therefore, must pay a penalty (tax) for the inability - thus being twice fined - first, by extremely high-cost high fossil fuel generation, then by the government's if you don't make it, you still pay for it (renewable-source power generated elsewhere). The State of Alaska helps in some areas, where wind is reliable, with funding that will never be repaid because of economies of scale. Maybe we should be studying the efficiencies of igloos and sod houses. . .
Posted by aniaksdh
12th Dec
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igloos
The LAND OF THE THE MIDNIGHT SUN I deduce from you statement is in the dark 24/7, so solar is out.
Posted by johnbowers
13th Dec
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Let's face it.....
Let's face it..... the only reason ANYONE can live in Alaska is because of fossil fuels. With fossil fuels, you can do ANYTHING....
Posted by Damnthematrix
14th Dec
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The INUIT disagree with you!
Americans are used to CONTROLLING their environment rather than ADAPTING or TEMPERING MICRO-ENVIRONMENTS. With fossil fuels you can only do anything until the fuel runs out or you choke on the byproducts.
Posted by ViableWay
16th Dec
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Q: Why do non-natives live in Alaska?
A: Mostly because of oil. If we don't need it, we can give Alaska back to the natives, and they can return to the neolithic lifestyle they love so much.
Posted by dmm99
14th Dec
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All "natives" were once "newcomers" or "invaders" themselsves.
n/t
Posted by adornoe
14th Dec
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INUIT innovation
The native Alaskans have incredible mechanical abilities. They could keep engines running with duct tape and baling wire during blizzards. Do NOT degrade their abilities. They also managed a lifestyle with CACHES of food and supplies stored in advance that relied on interdependence for their survival. Their metabolism is able to thrive on a life with few vegetables and fruits where we would likely starve.

If you knew anything about STONE TOOL CULTURES, you would have more respect for their tremendous skills. Surgeons today are reverting to the stone age by using OBSIDIAN BLADES that are many times sharper than METAL BLADES.

P.S. I lived in Alaska many years ago and studied anthropology too. My comments are not just pulled out of thin air.
Posted by ViableWay
Updated - 16th Dec
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I do not agree with your premise
I lived in Fairbanks in 1954-1957, and remember the adaptations of tunnels and basements, but also remember the SOLAR ENERGY during the summer months was awesome! 20 hours of sunlight a day...yeah it was dark for the winter months, but transferring some of that power means storage of summer surplus, not total lack of renewable energy. You need to adapt to the situation, and perhaps a reduction or rebate for energy would be needed, but don't just complain...come up with solutions.
Posted by ViableWay
16th Dec
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C Tax
No, a C Tax is an incentive.. we have a C Tax in Australia, and I NEVER PAY any of it.
Posted by Damnthematrix
14th Dec
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We have had the ability to tap limitless solar power from orbit since 1975.
...and had we bothered to build the infrastructure, we could, today, power the USA at any rate, solely from that source.

Instead, our 'leaders' have chosen to believe that our ancient standard of 'scarce' resources, imbedded in our economic and political realities, still apply in a universe of abundance..and abundant power is abundance in everything, given the tiny fraction of even the Earth's tiny fraction of the Solar System's resources we bother to include in our calculations.

Not only is Earth NOT the sole source for resources we have available, but it is the LEAST of such resources.

We did not pursue space-based solar 35 years ago because compared with other generation methods (coal, oil, gas, nuclear)--none of which paid their full ecological costs, SPS appeared more expensive. But when the true costs of obtaining, processing and waste disposal of 'burnable' fuels is calculated, SPS is on par or cheaper as well as a climate-friendly source for energy.

We are as ants, struggling for control of a crumb amidst an immense warehouse full of bread. Too focused on our belief to bother checking reality.
Posted by wizoddg
Updated - 12th Dec
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renewables
...and even Mr. Obama did not re-install the solar collectors Reagan took off...
Posted by jackvandijk
14th Dec
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I didn't even think of the solar energy above the earth...THANKS!
I have to put something here to get it to post...
Posted by ViableWay
16th Dec
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space is silly
The economics of space based solar is silly because it is so expensive to get anything into space, and it uses fossil fuels and the most expensive technology man has produced.

It is actually far cheaper to microwave energy from the ground to space than the reverse by a very long shot even though the insolation up there is much better.

Every solar panel has an embedded footprint of energy cost that gets paid back when the panel is used. If a panel lasts 25 years, the first few years are for payback, the rest is the bonus.

Now add the rocket and fuel energy into the cost of getting the panels up there and the payback is long after the panel is dead, its a negative payback.

Only in lala land where everything is free are these schemes interesting.
Posted by energy_guy
20th Dec
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but no end to enslavement by wage
still, the "free" energy won't do anything but reduce pollution. Believe me the political and business organizations will make sure that everyone pays more and more money for the 'free green' energy, as a means to retain control over the people and keep them focused on their day to day minutiae and little job and money worries instead of upon larger matters, like who's running things.
Posted by opcom
12th Dec
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Only if we permit it!
There are three SALVATION INNOVATIONS that I hope will prove you wrong. The internet, 3D printing and renewable energy. The thing that concerns me is that we may end up paying outrageous amounts for AIR and WATER and FOOD if the power that be continue to pollute the environment. Energy alone is not enough. We need SELF-SUFFICIENCY as much as possible. If we don't fight to get it, we will be doomed to be servants to the corporations and plutocrats.
Posted by ViableWay
16th Dec
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And who pays for it
It sounds nice to hear all this, but who exactly will be paying for these million plus power plants and billions of home units? Oh right, me again.

The study says the barriers are primarily social and political, not technological or even economic. I'm calling shenanigans. I get my power from the grid because I can't get it any cheaper elsewhere (I've researched other sources too). The grid is running primarily off of fossil fuels. That's cheapest, and I can't afford more.
The barrier is cost, plain and simple. And if you political types run up the cost of gas and electric by taxing it I swear to God I'll start voting for republicans.

And I'm not cutting back on usage, you go be Amish if you want but leave me alone.
Posted by copracr
Updated - 12th Dec
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Cheaper?
Two things you may have missed. First, solar is on track to be the cheapest source of electricity. In Hawaii, it already is (even unsubsidized). In the southwest US, solar will be the cheapest electricity, at the retail level, by 2016 even without subsidies.

Second, if the full environmental cost of fossil fuel (the open pit mining, franking, ground water contamination, air pollution, global warming) was included in your electric bill rather than just dumped on your fellow citizens, you would be screaming for renewable power because its true cost is so much less.
Posted by z2217
12th Dec
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Bunk!!!
There has not been a single study that proves that, the "renewable" resources are cheaper than the "naturally occurring" resources we have now, like oil/natural gas/coal, which are, today easily accessible and quite cheap to access and harness.
Posted by adornoe
14th Dec
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DRINK THE FRACK WATER before you speak!
The natural gas that comes from CHENEY's REGULATION FREE FRACKING is not so cheap when you realize the entire water supply of the country is in jeopardy...but of course the PLUTOCRATS will happily sell you WATER at prices that rival OIL when it is over. They don't care about the consequences of their actions...they just want next quarter's profits to be higher. They know that they will be able to make a profit at the expense of the rest of us no matter how much they destroy things. WELL, that is not quite true...eventually they will mess things up so badly that earth will need to start over with a round of consequences that will make the earth uninhabitable for more than a few living in bunkers deep underground.
Posted by ViableWay
16th Dec
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lets talk about prices
Germany boasts about it renewables, but all that solar 25GW of capacity produces about the same no of kWh as just 3GW of base load power plants at a cost well past $130B for the first 17GW (2GW actual avg power output). That works out as $65/W for avg capacity.

Meanwhile coal and gas plants are closer to $2/W and nuclear about $5W for base load power.

Also German wind plus solar produces power all over the place, it could be anywhere between 2GW to 30GW hour by hour day to day, which of course is covered by gas plants or spare hydro.

As Germany shuts down those 17 nuclear power plants it replaces them with new coal and gas plants thanks to their Greens.

The German people pay the highest energy prices, but their manufacturers don't, they pay only at coal prices.

Also since the world runs on 15000GW of thermal power equiv to about 5000GWe, and China only makes about 17GW of new nameplate solar capacity enough to replace 3GWe power plants each year, we have a problem Houston. And that doesn't even get us into rare materials like indium for the front wiring.
Posted by energy_guy
20th Dec
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Yeah You.
And me. And everyone else. BFD.

Think about it for a moment. Existing plants wear out and have to be replaced. So, replace them with renewables.

The price of electricity (LCOE) is calculated assuming a 20 year payoff. Wind farms continue to produce electricity for 10 or more years past the payoff. Solar panels keep on producing for another 10, 20, 30, ? years. All of that is almost free electricity.

After coal, gas and nuclear plants are paid off they continue to incur fuel costs.

Over time our electricity will get cheaper and cheaper.
Posted by Wallace Bob
12th Dec
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Sounds good, but, making up the numbers always sounds good to the ignorant.
n/t
Posted by adornoe
14th Dec
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lala land math
Coal and gas plants use fuel that is cheap right now but those don't cover their external costs to the environment as in CO2 plus the toxic content of coal fly ash and the known deaths from coal emissions.

Nuclear fuel costs are inconsequential to nuclear power, uranium prices could go up 10 fold and would not have much effect and nuclear has no CO2 emissions (save construction).

If we used thorium, a $100k ball of metal will produce about $B worth of energy and various valuable isotopes assuming 11c/kWh.

Over time electricity will get more expensive, always has always will, and with out nuclear even more so, see Germany and Denmark.
Posted by energy_guy
20th Dec
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Think twice or three times before voting GOP
Why are you so adamant about not cutting back on usage? Are you insisting on the right to WASTE? or do you want to continue to subsidize the OIL, AGRICULTURE and PHARMACEUTICAL companies? The TRUE COST of your existing energy is much higher than you are currently paying...they have HIDDEN SUBSIDIES that make you think you are paying less than you are. The 9 BILLION dollars in tax incentives to the oil companies last year still didn't reduce your cost at the pump as much as they should, but that same money spent on reducing dependence on oil and gas would have had much better results IMO.
Posted by ViableWay
16th Dec
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Seems like, "renewable power/energy" is anything but "fossil energy",
but, when it comes to "renewable", why are not fossil fuels also considered "renewable"? It makes no sense. The only reason would be that, it's all mostly about an agenda from the environmentalists and the "liberal" ideology which seeks to enslave the world.
Posted by adornoe
12th Dec
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Well...
Most of the fossil fuel we consume today was formed during two epochs of extreme global warming 90 and 150 million years ago. So yes, if you're willing to wait millions of years, they are "renewable."
Posted by Chris Nelder
12th Dec
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Makes no sense that fossil fuels would depend on global warming, since,
most of that fuel is created below ground and with the help of the underground forces, which forces are also moving the tectonic plates as we speak, and creating volcanoes, and changing the weather as we speak, for the short and long terms.

But, "fossil" fuels may be a misnomer, since, there are indications that, the planet creates that fuel without there having to be dead life, or organic, material available. Science has discovered methane and other "fuel" type material on other planets, so, what created that up there? There are no cows or dead organisms out there that we know of.

Oil and natural gas may be as plentiful today as they have always been, and they many continue to be "manufactured" by the natural forces, no matter what we do, and no matter how much organic material is available on the ground. There is much more organic material being deposited on the ground than ever in the history of the planet, but, that's not to say that we need to wait 100 or 200 million years before we get to use the "energy" created from that dead material.
Posted by adornoe
12th Dec
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