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Urban gun violence shows why cities, suburbs must collaborate

By | August 27, 2012, 12:46 PM PDT

I’ll never forget sitting in the district attorney’s office of Philadelphia in the early days of 2008 and asking victim services coordinator Amanda Dunn a very simple question: why was the murder rate so high in Philly?

At the time, the city was on track to keep a crown no king would ever want: highest homicide rate of all big cities in the U.S.

Her answer? Guns were a big problem, and the legal interplay between (liberal, Democratic) city and (mostly rural, mixed) state made it difficult for Philadelphia to enact strict gun laws that had been passed in peer cities like Chicago. “Straw purchases” in nearby New Jersey made it too easy for firearms to cross the state border.

Without a major tool to get guns off the street in their arsenal, police officers sometimes just had to wait until a domestic dispute occurred before they could do anything about it.

Despite the laws, Chicago continues to have gun problems. One major factor is gangs, something that Philadelphia doesn’t really suffer from. But another is political boundaries.

In the Chicago Tribune, Dan Hinkel reports that the city’s guns aren’t coming from neighboring states with relaxed laws — rather, they’re being purchased in Chicago’s suburbs, where city laws don’t reach.

He writes:

Some 29 percent of the guns recovered on Chicago’s streets between 2008 and the end of March were bought in the Cook County suburbs. Lake County, Ind., was the second largest source, accounting for six percent of the weapons, and other counties surrounding Chicago – including Lake County, Ill., and Will, DuPage and Kane counties – were also in the top 10 sources.

The lesson here? Cities are not islands, and effective policy can’t be made without an ongoing collaboration between city, suburbs and exurbs.

Study: Suburban shops main source of guns in Chicago crime [Chicago Tribune]

Photo: Geoffrey Fairchild/Flickr

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The logic just isn't there.
If we are talking about gangs and other "career criminals", do you really think making it harder to buy a gun legally is going to do anything to curb those numbers? If they are willing to shoot someone, buying a gun illegally, is no worse to them than jay walking. All most of these laws do are make it harder for honest, law abiding citizens to purchase a firearm, which, by the way is a guaranteed right according to our constitution. Some laws are necessary, the average citizen has no business owning a fully automatic assault rifle. But John Q. Public with no criminal record, should have the right to defend his or her property.
Posted by dmeguy
27th Aug
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I agree to a point.
Study The Constitution and the Federalist Papers, as well as other documents from around that time, and you'll see that they didn't say that citizens couldn't own any specific category of weapon. They also knew progress would bring newer, more powerful, weapons, as well as other improvements to our lives. (Did they see the Internet? Telephone? Telegraph? Radio? TV? Cable? Satellite? No... yet the 1st Amendment still protects free speech, The 2nd Amendment restricts the government from restricting arms. Also with registration for Selective Services, you are compelled to be signed up in a militia for the government. Some States even have provisions for militias that don't mandate a sign-up. If you study those documents I mentioned at the beginning, you'll see the many reasons why the 2nd Amendment exists, and one in particular the felt very strongly about.

Based on these historical documents, and the SUPREME law of the land (The Constitution) I don't see AWBs, full-auto bans, or NFA restrictions as legal. Now, as to who should have them? That's a slippery slope best avoided in some cases.
Posted by DaemonSlayer
27th Aug
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Gun Control Doesn't Work
As time passes we don't seem to be getting any smarter.

Cities such as Chicago and New York have banned hand guns, even for people who have legally obtained a carry permit. Murders and shootings in these cities have not decreased.

Before my time, we tried to outlaw alchol, called it "Prohibiton." The criminals produced illegal alcohol, no taxes were paid, and people were killed over this. Finally we stopped trying to make it illegal.

As dmeguy states, it is against the U.S. Contstitution to ban guns. Properly trained persons with hand gun carry permits have been heros in many situations, we just don't tend to hear much in the news media about this side of the story.
Posted by h.c.colwell
27th Aug
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That's because
The Main Stream Media, have their agendas. Agendas that encourage FUD about ownership of any gun. DGUs may make local news, but National News usually chooses to ignore it in favor of sensationalizing the lesser occurring massacres that happen in areas where guns are prohibited. (Aurora's Cinema shooting was in a gun free zone, as was EVERY school shooting, and the Shooting at the military base was in a gun-free zone.)

There are many enemies of this country that would be glad to have us all disarmed and of the mindset of never fight for anything. It makes it easier to walk in the front door and take over. By the way, those that have that attitude, to surrender whatever the bad guy wants from you to prevent harm? There are cases where people have been hurt for the perception of not moving fast enough, or not having what they wanted (or enough of.)
Posted by DaemonSlayer
27th Aug
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Carry permits
I've held a NY State carry permit for near 40 years. I don't usually carry, except in the wild country, which we have plenty of where I live. I have never pointed my pistol at anyone or shot anyone, although I will defend my home, self and family if necessary.

Note: My gun has never jumped up and killed someone by itself, either. It always waits for someone to pull the trigger.
Posted by Hans Schmidt
2nd Sep
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Gun Control is an EPIC FAIL and a violation of The US Constitution.
It matters not exactly where the sold guns come from. Some are stolen from strangers, friends, and family. Some are given unbeknown (sometimes out of denial) to the real reason they are wanted. Illegal guns are NOT effected by these bans, as the criminals will still get their hands on them. Gangs will still get their hands on them too. Yeah, they won't be able to legally purchase one, but they'll still get one. Meanwhile the average citizen, whose right to bear arms shall not be infringed (2nd Amendment: look up the 2nd Amendment, the Federalist Papers, and other period documents to see the real meaning that was intended, and then what SCOTUS has ruled afterwards.)

The only people without guns with bans, are the law abiding citizens, who become easier targets for crime. As to suicides and murders, other means would be found, such as a bat, a crow-bar, a knife (even a chef's knife or butcher knife), cars, and/or bombs (remember Timothy McVeigh? More wounded and killed in OKC in that one event, excluding 911 terrorist events, than in any other shooting event.)

If you look at these shooting events, you'll see that every one of them happened in an area where a citizen, who obeys the law, cannot carry a gun. These spree killers NEVER attack a police station, or storm a high security military installation. Be glad that guns are NOT banned. The Aurora CO killer could have easily brought some of his bombs with him and destroyed most, if not all of the theater complex with them. (WAY more casualties and deaths than what was.)
Posted by DaemonSlayer
Updated - 27th Aug
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Police friendly fire in NY
and police friendly fire in New York last week injured loads of people.
Posted by neil.postlethwaite@...
Updated - 31st Aug
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Gun Control DOES Work
Posted by Marc Erickson  |  Below your threshold
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Riiiiiiiiight.....
I hope you're being sarcastic Marc.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/07/21/toronto-shootings.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/lemieux1.html

The first, and most recent link there points to on-going gun violence.
The second link shows as areas in the US arm up, the violent crime rates have dropped in those areas, and while Canada has restricted AND confiscated some firearms, the crime rates haven't really dropped all that much.

Also good examples in the US where gun bans are strongest (NYC, DC, Chicago) Violent crimes are rampant. Chicago police chief has stooped to begging gang members to take their business (drugs, turf wars, etc) into the alleys and away from the kids in the street... This past weekend over 16 were shot in Chicago, and carried handguns are verboten except the privileged few (Like Senator Jesse Jackson Jr. who was recently diagnosed as bipolar - http://psychcentral.com/news/2012/08/15/jesse-jackson-jr-diagnosed-with-bipolar-disorder/43220.html.)

Guns are severely restricted in the UK, yet violent crimes are rampant taking place with knives, [makeshift] clubs, bats, etc when they can't find illegal guns.

I guess you can say it's working in the UK, but all other forms of violent crime have soared in its wake.
Posted by DaemonSlayer
27th Aug
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Zero tolerance
Posted by neil.postlethwaite@...  |  Below your threshold
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But that is already the law in most places.
Commit a crime with a gun, and you do go to jail.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
31st Aug
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elsewhere
UK, Ireland, France, Germany, Japan, India, Australia, New Zealand where general accessibility to guns is highly restricted.

If you need a gun to go out at night and feel safe, it does not mean your society is relaxed and gives individuals empowerment, rights it means it sucks ass in a big way.
Posted by neil.postlethwaite@...
31st Aug
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Funny, but you're soooo wrong
Canada found that gun control was a big waste of tax money, and had virtually zero effect on gun violence. All they ended up with was a bunch of pissed off citizens, and bloated government. They got smart and rescinded the legislation.
Posted by Dr_Zinj
31st Aug
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Funny, but you're soooo wrong
Wrong!
Canada rescinded their wasteful long gun registry but fortunately retained the very restricted laws on automatic weapons and all handguns. Canada's gun problems stem mainly from the abundance of weapons leaking in from the US arsenal.
Posted by aschwarzt12
31st Aug
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Canada
I drove through Canada from northern NY to Alaska the first year compulsory registration was in effect. I had filled out my application to register my bear gun. (self defense-we were camping) before leaving home. The Canadian immigration officer didn't know what to do with it. He had to call a higher-up. Other than lost time, no problem.

In the Yukon and NWT, The locals that I talked to said the Mounties didn't want to know anything about it.

Just like the US, City dudes who know nothing of the real world outside the city limits trying to regulate the rest of the world. Let them take care of the city and stop harassing us.
Posted by Hans Schmidt
Updated - 2nd Sep
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Just look at Canada???
What the hell are you smoking? Our murder rate is out of hand, because we are FORBIDDEN to defend our person against the threat of murder in any way whatsoever. Get your damned facts right!
Posted by hunter003@...
31st Aug
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The 2nd Amendment
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I note that gun rights advocates always seem to ignore the first half of the 2nd Amendment. I suspect the Founding Fathers would be rather aghast at the situation we find ourselves in today. Personally I'm not in favor of broad restrictions on firearms but I wouldn't be against requiring a license for handguns and assault rifles.
Posted by riverat1
28th Aug
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Nice try, but
The first part of that cannot stand on its own. It's grammatically impossible for it to. It enhances the second part. Let me phrase it this way: To put gasoline in the car, the requirement of an internal combustion engine, A car may travel down the street under its own power.

You do not understand the view of the founding fathers. (it is being suppressed whenever possible by those inconvenienced or afraid of what they really meant.) If you read the Federalist Papers through, you will notice, they had no problem with the populace bearing current, new tech, or even potential future tech firearms. Secondly, as far as the militia clause straw-man. Every male from 18-45 has to be signed up for the Selective Service, the draft force if you will, of the US Government's militia in order to bolster the numbers in the regular army if required. Various States have their own militia definitions that even enter retirement ages, without such registrations.

The founding fathers NEVER intended to restrict firearms from the people. They understood the importance of bearing arms by the citizens, to help keep government in line AND repel those who would seek to do them harm in addition to hunting. BTW, the same weapons required of the citizens then, were the same weapons the citizens hunted with... and the Kentucky Long Rifle was very high tech for its day.
Posted by DaemonSlayer
28th Aug
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Rat, you need to look up the definition of "militia"
Accepted definition back during the Colonial and Revelutionary period was every able bodied man between the ages of 18 and 45.

And "regulated" just meant that
A: they had a weapon, and
B: Knew which end to point at the enemy.
Posted by Dr_Zinj
31st Aug
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lot has changed since Founding Fathers
A huge amount has changed since the Founding fathers were out and about

Slavery, women's rights, civil war, electricity are but a few.
Posted by neil.postlethwaite@...
31st Aug
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A lot has changed. The Constitution has not.
I do not believe that interpretations of it can "evolve" with the times. That is just another way of saying 'lets ignore this part of it because it is inconvenient.

Traditional interpretations can be applied to modern life. The simple elegance of how it was written makes it so.

Before the age of big spending military R&D for light arms, all of the best rifles of their age evolved out of the lone gunsmiths improving on existing designs for the sake of being able to hunt better or defend themselves better. The evolution of what became known as the Kentucky longrifle is one such history.

For private citizens to own and in some case develop high tech weapons is not unprecedented nor does it necessitate a new interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.

Common sense needs to rule and historically has when it comes to guns and the Constitution.

Outside of the military there is no need for an automatic rifles. As such the courts have upheld laws controlling the ownership of automatic rifles.

But the courts have also said it is legal for me to own a high tech rifle as long as it is semi-automatic.

The problem with guns laws comes up when people who did not like the courts answer 50 years ago still do not like the answer today when a precedence is applied to a modern situation.
Posted by Hates Idiots
31st Aug
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Restrictions
A uniform federal permit that superseded all local laws for handguns would be OK if it had sufficient guarantees that it couldn't be used to disarm us or otherwise misused..How likely is that?

Watch your definitions. An ASSAULT RIFLE is, by definition, capable of full automatic fire. There is no reason for any private citizen to have one. Assault weapon is a definition ginned up by bureaucrats to disarm us. The rifles described are only capable of semiautomatic fire. Nothing wrong with them except they LOOK evil. Most are military surplus and less expensive than sporter rifles. That's all some folks can afford. There is no reason for private citizens not to have one. There is also no reason for private citizens to have clips with more than 10 round capacity.

What's needed is common sense. How likely is that?
Posted by Hans Schmidt
2nd Sep
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RE: Restrictions
Any information (such as permit information) it will eventually be misused. As for the magazine cartridge limit...there shouldn't be a limit. My opinion - that's not for anyone to decide just because someone doesn't feel it's appropriate or "needed".
Posted by GregGold
4th Sep
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It goes back to common sense.
Outside of the military, is there a real reason to have a magazine larger than 10 rounds?

If you are hunting and need that much ammo to hit a deer or similar target you are a crappy hunter and should not have a gun in your hands.
Posted by Hates Idiots
4th Sep
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RE: Common Sense
I agree about the hunting comment...and there are some out there! But....when push comes to shove, that still doesn't make any difference what someone else might "feel" as making sense - and constitutionally I wouldn't think that's covered. Not to mention that there are rapid fire competitions that are judged on accuracy and length of time for x amount of shots.
Posted by GregGold
4th Sep
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Assault Rifle (Weapon)
Can you give a concise definition of an Assault Rifle?
Posted by skgammon
5th Sep
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Definition: Any gun that a liberal thinks looks "scary".
In the '90s, when deciding exactly which weapons would be covered under their "Assault Weapons Ban", a bunch of congresspeople with practically no actual knowledge of weaponry superficially chose weapons based upon how they looked, as opposed to their actual capability.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
Updated - 6th Sep
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Laughable Gun Control
Gun control means no guns, period. You caught with a gun, you go to jail - Zero tolerance.

These sorts of controls are laughable.

No guns = huge reduction in gun violence. The US is in banana republic territory for gun related homicides.
Posted by neil.postlethwaite@...
31st Aug
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No guns = Slavery
No guns means that any two or more people can break into my home, beat me to death, rape my wife and children, steal anything of value, and then burn our house to the ground with us in it.

No guns means we have absolutely zero protection.

Call on the phone, or use your cell phone to call the police?
Don't show your own ignorance, or insult my intelligence. The police NEVER prevent crimes. They only show up long after the evil deeds are done. Which never helps your smouldering ashes.

No guns means any criminal gang rules your neighborhood and does whatever they want there. Which is precisely the situation in the highly gun restrictive city of Chicago.
Posted by Dr_Zinj
31st Aug
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RE: Laughable
Sure.... then as in London, Liverpool, wherever - submit to receiving a clubbing, stabbing getting buggared, robbed, whatever. Curious that the Bobbies have started packing. Curious that the last time I walked out of a WaitRose there was an armed officer evidently standing guard...and that was in "gentle" Abingdon. Sure hasn't worked in the UK, Australia or anywhere else for that matter. And as I answered the last time you made this statement, it's not firecrackers I hear in the lower east side.
Posted by GregGold
31st Aug
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It's not the guns.
It's the people perpetrating violent crimes. Big surprise, densely populated areas have higher crime rates.
Yes it's abhorrent that that these crimes exist but disarming the populace is not the answer. The bad guys will ALWAYS ignore the law and obtain what they want through whatever means necessary.
You want to stop crime? Fix the people. Oh wait, that's not possible...
Posted by hemophilic
31st Aug
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RE: It's not the guns..
Isn't it fascinating that point never seems to come across? I've often wondered where the disconnect is. I've been around weapons all my life and not once have I seen one crawl out of a drawer, jump off the wall or out of the safe just to run out the door and plug someone. Typical "Progressive" attitude prevails...it's always someone/something else's fault that an event takes place. It never seems to be the person making the decision and taking the action. No personal accountability involved! Fascinating break in logic.
Posted by GregGold
Updated - 31st Aug
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Gun control protects the criminals more than it protects citizens.
Guns were a big problem? What about the criminals who use them? Gun control has done nothing to eliminate crime in places that have tried it. Quite the opposite, in fact.

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg unwittingly made the argument against gun control last month when on Piers Morgan Tonight he argued that police officers in particular should throw their support behind gun control. I don't understand why the police officers across this country don't stand up collectively and say, We're going to go on strike. We're not going to protect you. Unless you, the public, through your legislature, do what's required to keep us safe, he said.

Amazing. And what would actually happen if the police were to take him up on his suggestion?

For one thing, gun sales would surge as fearful people rush to protect themselves. Ironically, crime would not go up, since criminals would know that people with itchy fingers were ready for them. For the criminals who did decide to exploit a police strike, death would be far more likely.

So the irony of this scenario is that the police serve more to protect the well-being of the criminals than that of the citizens. Relatively few criminals die in confrontations with police. Anyone who enters my house uninvited would not likely be as fortunate.

What kind of idiot is it who honestly believes that outlawing guns all of a sudden makes upstanding citizens out of criminals?
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
Updated - 31st Aug
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Violence linked to economic opportunity
Beyond clinical insanity (a very small part of violence - though connected to excessive social stress), the lack of opportunity to earn a reasonable living is one of the strongest drivers of civilian violence. Talking about eliminating gun violence in the middle of an economic collapse is like pissing in a forest fire. Non-sporting guns - those guns people perceive as increasing their personal/family security will become historic artifacts when they are truly useless - when people feel economically, politically and physically secure. Unfortunately, the US is heading in the opposite economic direction to achieve security.
Posted by dduggerbiocepts
Updated - 31st Aug
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Nonsense. It's culture and values.
The depression of the '30s was far more severe, and yet did not spawn significantly more violence.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
31st Aug
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The 30's
There was plenty of violence in the 30s. I just watched the 6 hour Ken Burns special on prohibition. It seems to me that prohibition spawned the gangs originating in that era. Remember the Chicago Typewriter?
Posted by Hans Schmidt
2nd Sep
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Um, hate to tell you this, but...
...I think you are confused with the timeline. Prohibition and the violence you are speaking of had absolutely nothing do to with the depression. Prohibition was enacted in 1920, and the organized crime and violence it spawned started shortly thereafter, and long before the collapse of 1929.

Ironically, this would be another argument against "gun control". For quite some time, the police and even the Federal government was powerless to do anything the mob, who had no qualms about obtaining illegal weaponry and using it. The law-abiding and unarmed were literally at the mercy of the mob.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
3rd Sep
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The thing the liberals don't understand ...
... is the word criminal. They will do whatever they want regardless of the law. banning guns does two things... it makes it easier for criminals to do what they want, and it makes criminals out of the good people who refuse to give up their gun.

Another thing the libs don't seem to get, is that the police are not there to 'protect' you. If they were, then there would be offices posted within moments of each home AT ALL TIMES. In a situation of a breakdown of order, the police would be too busy dealing with the situation at large to bother with a single family.

Police officers, for the most part, respect a person that is well trained in firearm use and uses/carries it legally.

One thing i don't understand: Why are the Europeans so concerned with American's rights? I guess since they can't have it, we shouldn't either. Whaaaaaa!
Posted by Cabo Wabo Addict
31st Aug
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Safety is Removed
The article states that the city is unsafe because the urban bad guys are ruining their city. Well then it would be better to arm the city citizens, and even deputize them to keep the bad guys out?
Posted by Annon Emouse
31st Aug
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Gun Control does not Equal Crime Control
New York and Chicago are arguably the strictist in the nation for gun control and it has not helped them. It did not help in Australia and the UK. I have no problem with law abiding citizens having guns to protect themselves. It is a deterrent. If the criminals know you are armed they will move on to the easier target. Indeed, an armed citizenry is powerful and not only criminals but government officials need to fear us. How many countries out there lord over their people because they have all the guns ? Many.

In Milwaukee the police response times and slipped horribly. Even the Journal Times ran an article on this. People would call in a break-in in progress and the police shows up hours later.

I have no problems with people who are empowered. I have never seen gun control work. This writer is making excuses and this is poorly written. It is time that government stop limiting our constitutional rights.
Posted by pizzaman7
31st Aug
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Collaboration Is Key!
Yes, the premise of your article is correct. The cities should look to their suburbs and more closely follow the more relaxed gun controls. If most, or any really, area surrounding yours is 'easy' to get a fire arm then that is where people will go to get a firearm. Trying to make this area over here 'gun free' will never work. And any municipality that tries to be gun-free deserves all the hassle and headache they receive.
Posted by Chip and Andy
31st Aug
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Criminals buy guns because...
Criminals buy guns primarily because they want to commit a crime - not because they "just want to shoot somebody".
If it's likely their victim won't have a gun, then that's one less thing they need to buy/obtain before they commit their crime.
As a side effect, it also makes it more likely that their victim will be still around after the crime, and potentially more likely to be able to help police catch the criminal!
Posted by rschmidt@...
31st Aug
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Typical
When I read these types of justifications and validations for why somebody else is at fault....

However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results. -Winston Churchill

The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. - Bertrand Russell
Posted by jdbridgw@...
31st Aug
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Lack of Critical Thinking by Dan Hinkel & Chicago Tribune
He seems to think that fewer restrictions on gun ownership in surrounding suburbs, where city laws don't reach, is somehow responsible for the high violent crime rates in the city. Pay attention, Dan Hinkel, if that were the case, then the surrounding suburbs would have *higher* crime rates than the city, but they don't, so your reasoning is flawed.

I have a better idea, how about *fewer* restrictions on gun ownership in the city, maybe then your violent crime rates will start to decline, as they have everywhere else that politicians have stopped infringing on citizen's rights of self-defense.

I have another idea, how about exiling violent felons who use guns in the commission of crime, to long prison terms, do you remember 10-20-Life? As it is now, violent criminals who do get arrested, are plea'd down and back out on the street in no time. I guess the prisons need to make room for weed heads.
Posted by liam.mccumber
1st Sep
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Don't understand
1. Everywhere gun control has been enacted, the crime rate has risen. - every time, everywhere.
2. When a criminal wants something they will do ANYTHING to get what they want. They will use any weapon available, they will do what it takes.
3. Gun Control does not, and has never, prevented criminals from having guns.
4. Law abiding citizens, with guns in their control, create a safer environment for themselves, for their loved ones, for their neighborhood, and for their city.
5. The "Safest" countries in the world are those in which most law abiding citizens own guns.

Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens make the neighborhood, city, state, and country safer.

I, for one, will never have to worry about a break-in at my home. There is no question about the outcome: Me 1, other guy 0.
Posted by dar1p
7th Sep
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Guns in Urban areas
It seems there's a pipeline of guns flowing into the inner cities being used by kids (or gangs) to kill each other..40 people in one weekend lost their lives in Chicago this past summer due to firearms.I was in a church where people were asked to raise their hand if, they new someone that was murdered. at least 50 hands went up.It happens so much(murder in the inner cities) that, it's no big deal.It never makes the network news.My heart goes out to the people killed in Newtown.I agree ,you can't stop someone bent on killing.Stop the illeagal flow of guns to kids in the inner cities.
Posted by shademan1
8th Jan
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