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Pataki: Despite ‘green fatigue,’ the future is in cleantech infrastructure

By | October 12, 2010, 9:00 AM PDT

NEW YORK — Despite a wave of “green fatigue” that has swept over the United States, the future is in cleantech, said former New York governor George Pataki on Tuesday.

Taking the stage at the Cleantech Group’s Forum New York 2010, Pataki railed against the decisions made under the administration of U.S. president Barack Obama in the wake of a global recession, saying that its “government activism” — specifically the $38 billion earmarked in the stimulus package for cleantech — has left a nation “dissatisfied.”

“We were promised all these green jobs and it didn’t happen,” Pataki said. “We were promised we would reduce our dependence on foreign oil and it didn’t happen. We were promised a cleanup of the environment and it didn’t happen.”

Pataki, who now serves as counsel for white shoe law firm Chadbourne and Parke, called himself “an optimist” but criticized the current administration for policies that “have created an enormous challenge gong forward.”

“Thirty-eight billion was set aside for cleantech,” Pataki said. “At this point, less than $1.2 billion has gone out the door, and the Department of Energy estimates that it will be six years before the bulk of that money goes out.”

But “the 21st century is reliant on cleantech,” and Pataki said to an audience of financial investors that they should not look to Washington, D.C. but “be a lot smarter” in their approach to clean technology.

“Efficiencies are still out there, and companies that are providing greater efficiencies — smarter buildings, smarter appliances, time-of-day pricing — are still [sound bets],” Pataki said.

Pataki outlined some short-term predictions for the sector.

Among them:

  • Continued investment in green energy projects “that are driven by utility PPAs and state RPS programs.”
  • Continued investment in the smart grid. “If you look to rationalize the grid, you’re going to see efforts to reduce those peak loads not just in demand-side management but in time-of-day pricing.”
  • Utility shakeup. “You’re going to see utility regulators looking toward decoupling” — even though it didn’t work in Ohio, he said.
  • Government programs that offer “across-the-board tax incentives,” rather than “picking winners and losers. “There is going to be a look at what tax incentives are out there for incumbent fossil fuel power and [a desire to start] a move to the green side.”
  • Opportunities in power infrastructure. “Transmission lines, high voltage DC lines, is something you’re going to see economic opportunity in and government support for.”
  • The smart grid as a gateway investment. “Smart grid is going to continue to be very attractive and moreso, because one of the areas that presents the greatest possibility in cleantech is electric and hybrid cars — the companies are out there, whether it’s Tesla or Coda or Fisker. That’s going to lead to tremendous opportunities in smart grid, energy storage, electrical use that creates enormous opportunities.”
  • Investment in older energy technology. “The opportunities are enormous, and it’s not just in new areas. There are going to be significant development in traditional hydrocarbon sources. We’re going to see hydraulic fracking become a part of [our energy arsenal].”

Pataki made note of the “silly season” in U.S. politics — where politicians say “ridiculous things” to get elected — that’s currently underway as Election Day nears, and warned cleantech investors to “move to the smart season” where they don’t wait for government handouts.

“We can’t just sit back and say we have a great application to the DOE,” he said. “The technology has to continue to drive down costs.”

Pataki added that corporations won’t “roll back” but instead look for ways to profit in the sector, especially as corporate responsibilities expand to include environmental impact.

“I think there’s going to be enormous pressure to monitor the environmental consequences of a company’s actions,” he said. “Companies that are going to be able to show that they’re reducing the environmental consequences…will be really driven by their customers to show that. If you look at the financials of companies going forward, aggressive companies will begin to show the financial consequences of beginning to engage in efficiency.”

Touching on the China-America cleantech race, Pataki said first the U.S. must get its “balance sheet back in some semblance of order.”

“We have to have an aggressive American policy that invests in infrastructure, just like China is doing,” he said. “That’s where the stimulus failed.”

Policy may not be driving the cleantech industry, but it’s certainly powering it, Pataki said.

“You can’t change the mind of the public when it comes to the future,” he said.

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Remember when the "stimulus" bill was so important...
...that we couldn't afford to take 72 to read it before passing it as
promised?

For those who remained confused, now you know why.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
12th Oct 2010
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Investors "should not look to Washington, DC"
They should look to their customers for direction and Washington, DC should stop being the obstacle and shoving punitive policies down our throats.

As someone who has always had "green" tendencies, I abhor the movement being hijacked by the political elitists and turned into crushing edicts that stifle business. Businesses will evolve to meet the demands of their customers. As people see the benefits of more ecological choices and figure out ways to implement them profitably, then the business culture will change to keep up.

Cleantech was making great strides before the Obamacrats drove everything off the cliff. Once they're out of the way, we can get back on the road to real, beneficial, sustainable, and sane progress.
Posted by Suncat2000
12th Oct 2010
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RE: Pataki: Despite 'green fatigue,' the future is in cleantech infrastructure
First, to JohnMcGrew@...

If someone, with a full staff, can't read and dissect six-hundred-and-seventy-pages -- of which about 20% will be empty space (have you ever seen how they title, space, subtitle, etc., these things?) --discerning and skimming the requisite boiler plate to get to the germane details, they need to resign and rejoin us peons in the private sector.
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Typical. Pataki uses a Clean Energy Forum to deliver a fact-challenged poilitical screed, conveniently forgetting that his party -- the proud 'Party of No' -- drastically weakened the Stimulus Bill and tried to stymie its implementation at every phase.

If embarrassment were lethal, Repuglicans would have been dropping like flies after the diluted Stimulus' funds finally began to flow. The publicly-released copies of their correspondence, asking for money for job-creating projects; or bragging to constituents about monies they had already gotten and the jobs they had created, and; pictures of them (e.g,, LA Gov. Bobby Jindal) handing out giant mockups of checks, all monies from the Stimulus they had opposed by asserting, among other disproven drivel, that it would not create jobs!

Of course, dying from embarrassment would require that one has attained a level of self-awareness that would allow one to experience embarrassment. Judging from the last fifty or so years, the GOPhers are in no danger.
Posted by cdmsr
12th Oct 2010
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cdmsr@, if the GOP had actually been "the part of No"...
...we wouldn't be the bankrupt mess we are today.

Don't fool yourself. You certainly aren't fooling anyone here.
The "stimulus" was nothing more than a pork-laden buildup of
paybacks the Democrats had been storing up since they lost
Congress in '94. Now, well over a year later and after a
supposed "recovery summer", taxpayers are left numbed by the
idea that they paid over $250,000 per job "saved" in the few
places they can actually find them. They've come to the
conclusion that even the Europeans have, that subsidized "green
jobs" don't create anything other than more government largesse.

Remember Van Jones? The real fraud of Van Jones was not that
he is a Marxist wackjob or that he's always quick to ?hate America
first?. We've long known that much of Obama's inner circle, if not
Obama himself, holds these views.

The real fraud was that even Van Jones, the ?Green Jobs Czar?,
could not openly define for anyone exactly what a ?green job?
was.

Let me help: A ?Green Job? is the new codeword for political
patronage. It's secure employment for those that the private
sector economy has absolutely no use for, like ?community
organizers? such as Van Jones and most of the progressives in
Congress.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
13th Oct 2010
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RE: Pataki: Despite 'green fatigue,' the future is in cleantech infrastructure
>the future is in cleantech infrastructure. . .We?re going to see hydraulic fracking become a part of [our energy arsenal].?

Hydrofracking is about as dirty as it gets, especially since the industry now admits most of the chemical-laden water stays in the ground. Driving through SW PA, (where horizontal hydrofracking is in full swing) I was surprised to see this sign in front of a water testing company on Route 30:

?MARCELLUS SHALE Gas Drilling Near You? Test your WATER here.?

Does that sound "clean"-tech?
Posted by CutRedTape
13th Oct 2010
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RE: Pataki: Despite 'green fatigue,' the future is in cleantech infrastructure
Well, let's see...

According to CBS, "Despite receiving the largest chunk of $118 million in federal stimulus money, two Los Angeles city departments have managed to create or retain no more than 55 jobs, according to a new audit".

That's $2.15 Million per job created. (I want a $2 Million job... Or better yet, give me $2.15 Million of your money and I'll hire 20 people at $50,000/year and keep 1.15 Million as my headhunter's fee.)

"The Department of Transportation received $40.8 million... The money was supposed to create or retain 26 jobs, but the audit found only about 11 jobs created so far and none retained."

Good thing that we took $118 Million from American taxpayers and Chinese money-lenders and gave it to cronies in L.A. to create 55 jobs. This is where the stimulus failed...

We'll take $800 Billion dollars from working Americans in Texas, Minnesoata, North Carolina... and since we don't have $800 Million we'll borrow the rest from China, and give to Los Angeles and 30 Rockefeller Plaza.
Posted by bb_apptix
13th Oct 2010
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Better yet...
...give me $2-million dollars, and someone else can have my
current job. An unemployed person becomes unemployed, and
since I'll be retired, I won't count as unemployed either.

Why do I get the feeling that this is what actually is happening
with so much of the "stimulus" money?

In the New York Times, we now learn that " Mr. Obama reflects
on his presidency, admitting that he let himself look too much like
?the same old tax-and-spend Democrat,? realized too late that
?there?s no such thing as shovel-ready projects? and perhaps
should have ?let the Republicans insist on the tax cuts? in the
stimulus."

Did the President actually just admit that over a trillion-dollars
later that he's clueless about economics and that Keynesianism is
a failure?
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
14th Oct 2010
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RE: Pataki: Despite 'green fatigue,' the future is in cleantech infrastructure
@JohnMcGrew

Really? Van Jones? That's all you've got? A guy who had an advisory position, no real authority? A guy who held said post for less than six months? That's just sad.

You are certainly right about The GOP not being the Party of No -- during the Cheney/Bush interregnum. Back then, they never met an unfunded expenditure they didn't love.

After the first legitimately elected president in eight years took office, however, they morphed into disciplined disciples of pay as you go, whining about the deficit they created!

(They, of course, make an exception for deficit-exploding tax cuts for the rich.)

And the Stimulus was roundly criticized by responsible economists for being too small. But your Repug heroes thoroughly poisoned the atmosphere, uniformly put their discredited politics over the good of the country, and dug in their heels to make sure that sufficient stimulus couldn't happen.

Obama certainly owns part of the failure but his fault lay in believing there could be bipartisanship, that the Repugs weren't really as fanatically wedded to the politics of destruction as they put on for public consumption. He just wouldn't -- couldn't -- believe that responsible lawmakers would actually do serious, even terrible, damage to their country for political advantage.

And he was right.

What he failed to apprehend was that the GOPhers were irresponsible, dangerously set on gaining any advantage possible and the nation be damned. After all, their underlying political philosophy -- to the extent that they have one -- is social Darwinism: They'll get theirs, to hell with all the 'others' and the devil take the hindmost.

As for your gratuitous slam against "community activists," of course the "private sector economy" (read: business and corporations) have no use for them: The "private sector economy" is the target of much of the activities of those community organizers.

When businesses come into communities and poison the environment, spew pollution and drive down property values, the 'C-O-M-M-U-N-I-T-Y' 'O-R-G-A-N-I-Z-E-S' to oppose them. Communities -- you know, neighborhoods with kids and moms and dads and grandparents -- have every right to protect themselves from avaricious "private sector" predators. And no decent person should have any problem understanding and applauding that.

Others will just use coded terminology to ridicule and derogate them.

And, in case you didn't catch it, that goofy looking dude smiling in the picture up top, the subject of the article touting green tech? He's a Republican!

As to your later post, the answer to your question is, No. (You need to work on your reading comprehension.) Reread the reportage you included and be vigilant for words such as 'look' and 'perhaps'.

PS: When incorporating large chunks of text from a source, you really should provide a link.
Posted by cdmsr
14th Oct 2010
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Yeah, for most people, the Van Jones example should have been enough.
He was a perfect example of what this administration is really
about: A government make-work project for the otherwise
unemployable. All part of the "spreading the wealth around"
thing.

"Responsible Economists"? In case you haven't noticed, most of
Obama's economists have been jumping ship recently. They
know where it's going, especially after the promised "recovery
summer" turned into the summer of discontent.

So you're suggesting that spending over $2-million dollars to
save a single job just wasn't enough? We honestly can't get rid
of you people soon enough!

Oh, and you want a link? Okay. Although you'll probably
complain that it comes from a right-wing propaganda sheet like
the New York Times...

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/13/president-obama-
looks-forward-and-back/
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
15th Oct 2010
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RE: Pataki: Despite 'green fatigue,' the future is in cleantech infrastructure
@JohnMcGrew:

Typical right wing garbage: "We honestly can't get rid of you people soon enough!"

You can't win an argument so you fall back on vaguely threatening language. Of course you'll say you mean through the election, but your words are revealing of your true, borderline personality.

Not surprising. A major side effect of drinking the neocon KoolAid is the loss of touch with reality, an inability to recognize what an impotent weakling you are. And you didn't just drink it: you drowned in it.

And I've got news for you, Bucko: I ain't going anywhere. I'll be here callling bull manure on the lunacy of you and your ilk for the long haul, whatever happens.

When I wrote of responsible economists I was referring to people outside Obama's team. Still, the exit of Larry 'Shady' Summers (whom I detest) hardly qualifies as some kind of mass exodus -- though, If I had my druthers, he would be quickly followed by Rubin, Geithner and Bernanke. (If you want to know who got the US neck deep in bailouts for big banks, Google 'Maiden Lane 1' and 'Maiden Lane 2'. Spoiler alert: It was Geithner.) If they had been worth a dime they would have convinced Obama to tell the Repugs and DINOS to eat it and passed a half-to-three-quarters-of-a-billion dollar stimulus by reconciliation. Then Pawacki couldn't whine because his party whittled down the greentech allocations.

In fact, Obama should have used reconciliation to pass every part of his agenda that could be linked to the budget. (In case you are ignorant of this fact, too, that is what the Repugs did when they had the majority.)

Your fetish for Van Jones, as I wrote before, is just sad. Considering -- again -- that you are commenting on an item in which a prominent Repuglican is calling for the very programs on which Jones would have been advising the president.

But of course you dismiss greentech as "make work" (Pssst! Don't tell Pawacki!) and Jones as "unemployable" (Psst! Don't tell Princeton!) You see Jones as essentially worthless. (Pssst! Don't tell

1997-1999 - Rockefeller Foundation "Next Generation Leadership" Fellowship
1998 - Reebok International Human Rights Award
2000 - International Ashoka Fellowship
2008 - Best Dressed Environmental List (#1 of 30); Sustainable Style Foundation[64]
2008 - Time Magazine Environmental Hero[5]
2008 - Elle Magazine Green Award
2008 - One of the George Lucas Foundation's "Daring Dozen"
2008 - Hunt Prime Mover Award; Hunt Alternatives Fund
2008 - Campaign for America's Future "Paul Wellstone Award"
2008 - Global Green USA "Community Environmental Leadership" Award
2008 - San Francisco Foundation Community Leadership Award
2008 - Puffin/Nation prize for "Creative Citizenship"
2008 - World Economic Forum "Young Global Leader"
2009 - Hubert H. Humphrey Civil Rights Award[65]
2009 - Eco-Entrepreneur Award, Institute for Entrepreneurship, Leadership & Innovation; Howard University
2009 - Individual Thought Leadership, Energy & Environment Awards; Aspen Institute[66]
2010 - NAACP President's Award[60]
2010 - Commonwealth Club of California - Inforum's 21st Century Visionary Award

But enough about Mr. Jones. I see no need to continue to feed your fetish about a person for who is not even aware you exist. I said it was sad, but we're talking high school sad.

Let's get to the real kicker. Noting first that Pres. Obama granted a degree of access to a reporter that was unheard of for Bush the Worst, (outside of the Fox Noise lap dogs) I feel I should point out that the Times excerpt you posted was actually an excerpt of an excerpt!

Had you noted and followed the link near the top of the article you would have been taken to the original where you could see that the one germane quote in your excerpt was truncated.

The complete quote:

"Perhaps he should not have proposed tax breaks as part of his stimulus and instead 'let the Republicans insist on the tax cuts' so it could be seen as a bipartisan compromise."

So, Obama wasn't saying that he should have allowed more GOP tax cuts in the Stimulus (actually, there should have been no taxcuts in a Stimulus bill because, as stimulus, they don't work worth a damn!) He was saying he should have let them have the credit for his tax cuts. Or, to put it another way: Let the babies have their bottle.
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15th Oct 2010
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RE: Pataki: Despite 'green fatigue,' the future is in cleantech infrastructure
C O R R E C T I O N

In my last post the line

If they had been worth a dime they would have convinced Obama to tell the Repugs and DINOS to eat it and passed a half-to-three-quarters-of-a-billion dollar stimulus by reconciliation.

should have read

If they had been worth a dime they would have convinced Obama to tell the Repugs and DINOS to eat it and passed a half-to-three-quarters-of-a- trillion dollar stimulus by reconciliation.
Posted by cdmsr
15th Oct 2010
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You're right, I don't expect to win an argument that way...
...but then again, I really don't expect to win any arguments
against you anyway. You act as though it's still 2008.

You're the one obsessed with Van Jones. I only brought him up
as an example of the type of people this administration respects,
which is the real point; vast numbers of people who've never held
a real job in positions of driving national policy.

And yes, I did get the point about the tax cuts as stimulus. How
ironic it is now that the economy is coming to a near stand-still
because of next year's tax hit, and Democrats actually find
themselves in a conversation about extending the Bush tax cuts
(soon to become the Obama tax increase), which ironically
enough, was one of the only successes of the Bush years. So
ideologically driven that they couldn't get over the Faustian
aspects of that debate, they punted until after the election.

We'll see how that works out for them.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
16th Oct 2010
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RE: Pataki: Despite 'green fatigue,' the future is in cleantech infrastructure
No, John, you're the one with a Jones jones. You brought him up in your response to my first post here and I replied writing that it was sad that the only thing you can come up with to try (and fail) to support your whacko, fatally-flawed position was a guy who held an advisory position for six months over three years ago.

I then go on at some length (twelve paragraphs and a post script ) razzing you, damning the GOP and -- less in anger than in sadness -- Obama and the Dums, almost all of which you disregard to return to ... Van Jones! And -- instead of just admitting the basic silliness of your original criticisms and moving on -- you double down with even more ludicrous, fallacious assertions. You follow these with two paragraphs in which you thrash at points I neither raised nor addressed.

BTW, founding and running an NGO is employment and 'non-profit' doesn't mean employees are not paid and taxed.

I devoted most of my response to dealing with actual issues and correcting your misstatements before -- with a quick search and a little copy-and-paste -- I inserted relevant information re: Mr. Jones' record of accomplishments, hoping it would get you to move on. I even say, "enough" of Van Jones. (Okay, so I facetiously insinuated you had an unrequited crush on Jones and were behaving like half of a dysfunctional couple. Sorry, but I still think that's funny.)

And, again, you don't address my salient points but, instead, fall back on GOP talking points.

First, the ruinous tax breaks for the rich (Reagan's put us under a mountain of debt and George the Worsts grew that Matterhorn into an Everest) were passed with an expiration date because they were passed by the Repugs through Reconciliation (the process that they scream bloody murder about every time the Dums even say the word) which requires that any deficit spending caused by such a bill not extend beyond ten years. So ipso facto , they were deficit growing (exploding, actually) policy. And Darth Cheney was wrong: Reagan's tax breaks proved that deficits definitely do matter.(See: Sovereign Funds of Foreign Nations, US Dollar Holdings)

If that was a Bush success, I'd hate to see his failures. Oh, right. We did. Over and over and over...

Also, the discussion is about retaining the tax breaks for the middle class while letting the breaks for the wealthy, like the billionaire Tea Party puppeteers Kochs and Rupert Murdoch and such, expire.

And the economy is still staggering because the insufficient stimulus (here we go 'round the rosies) meant less work which means fewer jobs and paychecks which means less purchasing power which means businesses have excess inventory and idle facilities and so is not spending on building or hiring so there is less work which means fewer jobs and paychecks which means...etc., etc., etc.

As to that $2million job BS you glommed onto, if you reread the post from bb_apptix you'll see the phrase "so far" in one place. And you may notice there are no other time frames or descriptions or explanations of circumstances and such given. And no links. When I see reports pretending to be sourced but feature mainly a dearth of information and lacking links (like your NY Times excerpt: we know how that turned out) I tend to disregard them. They usually are cherry-picked, unrepresentative bits designed to 'prove' false assertions.

And I will make you a deal: If you will address my points and discuss the issues honestly -- and, no, I am not saying you have been dishonest thus far -- I won't mention your Van Jones obssession again if you don't.
Posted by cdmsr
17th Oct 2010
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What amuses me is that...
...the progressives are set to lose big in a few weeks. Why?
Because reality is in direct conflict with your rhetoric. The neo-
Keynesian economics that have been employed by the Fed, Bush
Administration, and then put in hyperdrive by the Obama
Administration have driven us exactly to where we are today.
There's no way they hope-n-change hype can hide the fact that
the much balleyhooed "Recovery Summer" was a bust. You can
often get away screaming that we're in a recession even when
we're not by arguing that somebody somewhere else is suffering.
But when everyone sees it all around them, it's a lot tougher no
matter what you say or how many times you repeat it.

I can provide countless examples of the fraud that the "stimulus"
is, (like the Recovery.gov web site with jobs created in districts
that don't even exist) but it would be redundant. This
administration is a jobs killing machine, green or otherwise. Few
people are going to be investing or creating new jobs until there's
some real "change", basically in the form of Washington getting
out of the way.

But you are right about one thing: I guess it really is about the
army of Van Jones' out there. Thousands of jobs created for
people who at best essentially create nothing, and at worst get in
the way of others creating anything, at the expense of real jobs
that create value in our economy.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
18th Oct 2010
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RE: Pataki: Despite 'green fatigue,' the future is in cleantech infrastructure
If the Repugz win big -- there are serious doubts about that -- hold on to your hat. It will mean that the politics of No will work with reactionary, moribund factions. No surprise there -- the rightwingdingers have time and again proven their willingness to resort to exploiting racism.

See former Repug chairman Ken Mehlman apologizes for:

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/republican-national-committee/michael-steele-acknowledges-gop-had-southern-strategy-for-decades/

and, current GOP Chair Michael Steele's acknowledgement of...

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/republican-national-committee/michael-steele-acknowledges-gop-had-southern-strategy-for-decades/

and

http://www.aolnews.com/politics/article/steeles-southern-strategy-gaffe-might-be-anything-but/19451968

the GOP's race-baiting "Southern Strategy.)

and lies and fearmongering (Obama as Nigerian socialist, communist; death panels; FEMA work camps, etc. ad nauseum ) to convince people to vote against their own interests.

Their total lack of ethics is the GOP's most prominent characteristic. Ronald Reagan, the secular saint of the Repugs in general and the neocon block in particular, saw more sitting officials in his administration indicted for malfeasance than any other in history, a pattern that holds true back to the Teapot Dome Scandal.

And today.The national spotlight first shown on John Boehner, your orange-hued 'Speaker-in-Waiting' when he violated House rules by stupidly handing out bribes, uh, I mean 'donations' from the tobacco lobby to his Repug colleagues on the floor of Congress. Incredibly, not one of the 'distinguished gentlemen' had the presence of mind to say "Not here, you idiot! You're supposed to do that sh*t in the cloak room!"

And the Orangeman's predecessor (with apologies to Syracuse U)
was the infamous Tom 'the Hammer' DeLay, the king of Texas vermin and vote rigging.

The Hammer was Majority Leader but had to resign after being indicted for an elaborate money laundering scheme involving the RNC whereby he skirted Texas campaign laws against using 'soft' money to fund campigns. Seems he violated a rule of the GOP Congressional Caucus which required the resignation of any person from a leadership position if they are indicted. The Hammer himself had instituted the rule in an attempt to take the high road over the Dems. When the Repugs tried to save their beloved (read scary as hell) Leader by rescinding the rule, a membership revolt forced its reinstatement and DeLay's resignation.

I guess they didn't want to look hypocritical. Plus, I heard some of them really didn't like the ol' Hammer. Pretty ungrateful after all he'd done for them, like setting up the K Street project so lobbyists could buy their souls piecemeal, at wholesale prices. I mean, they couldn't know thenhow it would collapse into the Jack Abramoff scandal, how it would put them in the soup, rendering many of them unreelectable, and some of them -- like Randy 'Duke' Cunningham -- in the Big House.

Of course, if this country was really sincere about laws applying to all equally, DeLay and the RNC would have been investigated under RICO, DeLay and culpable RNC personnel would have been tried for Federal crimes, the RNC would have been declared a a criminal organization and then been dismantled and all its assets seized.

But that's all in the past -- though DeLay is still delaying his trial some 5 years after his indictment. Let's move to the present for a glimpse of the future.

This week, in Alaska: TeaBagger and Repuglican candidate for the US Senate, Joe Miller didn't like it when a reporter asked him about allegations that he had been caught making unauthorized use of Fairbanks Northstar Borough equipment while employed by the Alaskan Community as a part-time attorney. He allegedly use other emplyee's computers for polling in the unsuccessful 2008 attempt to oust state Republican Party Chairman Randy Ruedrich. He then tried to hide his activities.

http://community.adn.com/node/153752

He is, apparentlly as Constitutionally challenged as he is computer illiterate.

When reporter Tony Hapfinger questioned Miller about the allegations at a public event, Miller's private security "arredted the reporter and detained him under guard in a closed room for more than twenty minutes.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/10/joe_miller_really_doesnt_want.html

In the United States of America that is called violating the First Amendment, kidnapping and unlawful detention. In your dystopian TeaBag Nation, it is called 'managing the press.' You know, just heroes being heroes.

I am a veteran. I didn't serve my country to see it divided into easily digestible chunks by deceitful, ravenous plutocrats aided and abetted by frightened, mentally confused coprolites. A quote, variously attributed but I credit Shakespeare, says "People get the government they deserve." That may be true in aggregate, but I don't want and don't deserve your fascist vision of government and will fight to the end to see that I and my family and progeny don't have to endure it.

So, go on. Embrace the RightWing insanity. Don't look behind the curtain and see the ultrarich puppet masters runnuing the machines, feeding you astroturf until you are so full of crap you can't tell up from down, until you can't see beyond their lies. Vote against your own interests and just hand over the keys to your future to people who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

Since you have yet to contribute one original thought or even the smallest bit of pertinent information to this rather lengthy exchange, I can no reason for it to continue. Though it won't be true (wouldn't want to break your streak) you can tell yourself you won -- by attrition, if nothing else. The fact is, I have been known to tilt at windmills and bang my head against walls for worthy causes, but you don't make that cut. Not by a long shot.

I hope you get over your Van Jones obssession. Maybe you should give him a call.

I am done with you.
I don't know you or anything about you beyond what I can discern from your posts.
Posted by cdmsr
19th Oct 2010
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That's amusing.
Since you have yet to contribute one original thought or even
the smallest bit of pertinent information to this rather lengthy
exchange, I can no reason for it to continue.

How frustrating it must be that nothing sticks anymore. As
mediocre as the GOP is, the Democrats are still going to lose to
them. For the most part, the Progressives since taking over
Congress in 2006 have only accelerated the worst aspects of the
Bush years, and when the failures become clearer and clearer,
your only answer is that we need more of the bad policy
that has brought us here.

No, it's you that have brought nothing new here; the failed
ideology that how has Europe rioting. Sooner or later, you'll get
to learn what happens in a socialist world when there's no more of
other people's money left to spend.

And you're right. You don't know me, and I doubt you ever will.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
19th Oct 2010
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For anyone still following this...
...notice @cdmsr's increasing use of hate rhetoric as he flails to
make an argument. I love when progressives feel free to use
words like " TeaBagger to insult conservatives, as if they
are actually insulting conservatives. Most of us just shake our
heads in confusion. Instead of insulting me, he just ends up
looking like a hateful fool. It's behavior like this that is certain to
help out the GOP another 5 points or so come November 2nd.
So keep it up @cdmsr!

As for stupid partisan rhetoric, did you catch what the President
said yesterday at a campaign rally? Now that progress has been
made, he said, "we can't have special interests sitting shotgun.
We gotta have middle class families up in front. We don't mind the
Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they
gotta sit in back."

Cute. So much for our post-partisan new Washington President,
as if we ever had one.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
27th Oct 2010
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