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Nuclear cars, with help from thorium lasers

By | August 30, 2011, 8:53 AM PDT

Could radioactive elements power future cars?

To be sure, it’s a crazy concept chock full of problems — safety, infrastructure, sustainability, education — but suspend your skepticism for just a moment and consider.

In this week’s Txchnologist (theme: “Advanced Output”), Steven Ashley writes of a thorium laser power generation system that could one day (albeit in the distant future) provide electricity for the grid, power appliances or homes and most compelling of all, power a future car.

The man behind the work: inventor Charles Stevens, whose Massachusetts-based firm Laser Power Systems is working on the development of a turbine/electric generator system powered by “an accelerator-driven thorium-based laser.”

Thorium, a mildly radioactive metal, is abundant, especially in India. It’s considered a good stand-in for uranium in nuclear reactors because its fission is not self-sustaining — meaning it won’t become unmanageable.

By lasing, or exciting, the element, the thorium produces heat, which flashes a fluid to create pressurized steam that drives a turbine that turns an electric generator. It all happens inside a closed-loop system.

Ashley reports:

A 250-kilowatt unit (equivalent to about 335 horsepower) weighing about 500 pounds would be small and light enough to put under the hood of a car, Stevens claims. And because a gram of thorium has the equivalent potential energy content of 7,500 gallons of gasoline, LPS calculates that using just 8 grams of thorium in the unit could power an average car for 5,000 hours, or about 300,000 miles of normal driving.

To to mention that it would be free of emissions.

It sounds far-fetched, but Stevens isn’t alone in this thinking: at the 2009 Chicago Auto Show, General Motors unveiled a thorium-powered concept car under its Cadillac marque. Designed by Lorus Kulesus and named the “World Thorium Fuel Concept,” the concept wasn’t a working prototype but nonetheless was sufficiently provoking for GM to display the concept publicly.

For now, the most imminent hurdle is not concerning the laser proper but the turbine and and generator, which are too large for automotive use.

A laser-powered car? Sounds plenty futuristic to us.

Thorium lasers: The thoroughly plausible idea for nuclear cars [Txchnologist]

Photos: GM

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Good Design
I like the design of the car is rely very extra ordinary and looks great. No one can forget it after seeing once.
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Posted by StephanFlaming
30th Aug 2011
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Of course!
I've been annoyed that Thorium reactors aren't being pushed for new power plants, and even thought about the fact that "neighborhood generators" should be possible using Thorium reactors (thus eliminating the need for transmission lines), but for some reason I hadn't thought of having the reactor on board the vehicle. Recently I've been pushing the idea that in 10-15 years we'll only have to charge our cars up once or twice a month, rather than filling the gas tanks weekly as we do today. The idea that we would never, ever have to recharge during the typical life of an automobile is phenomenal!
Posted by AlanLaRue
2nd Sep 2011
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Why it won't fly....
As long as Petroleum is in the ground the fat-cats who own and control it will ascertain that no other source of energy will destroy their oil-burning dynasty... the money is just too easy to make and the tooling needs no further investment. Nice try though.

What's nice about science is that it exposes greed for what it is.
Posted by Cyclingmasterseller
2nd Sep 2011
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Millions of these on the road? I don't think so.
It would be excellent for power companies. But putting it in automobiles would never happen. Thorium dust would end up in the air one way or another. Remember lead in the gasoline and asbestos in the brakes? There's no way to prevent contamination whether it's at the junkyard or auto repair shop or in accidents or even daily operation. Let's forget this idea. But thousands of the 'reactors' at power plants supplying the grid might work.
Posted by vbprgrmr@...
2nd Sep 2011
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Kill me now or kill me later...either way you're dead
Just another source of deadly pollution getting into the environment...only here it doesn't have to go so far to kill you. Sounds like an excellent candidate for a Darwin Award. But, hey. Put it in a wowee package, rather than a - yawn - drab and boring electric car and we'll demand it, won't we.
Posted by justajo
2nd Sep 2011
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Seriously....no, really
How much mercury dust in a CFL? Very minute but there are plenty of us who don't want even that much in our house. How much depleted uranium is in one of those bullets? Not much there, either but I don't know anyone who'd like to get drilled with one.
Posted by justajo
2nd Sep 2011
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Crash test?
What would happen in the event of a car crash? Is an explosion of grand magnitude possible? Just what are the deleterious effects of such a beast as this? I admit, I do like it!!
Posted by Cyclingmasterseller
2nd Sep 2011
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Not so scary
8 grams is approximately 1/4 ounce - less than a bottle of nail polish - to power a car for a lifetime of driving. Now the question is... can I plug my house into my car?
Posted by tnice
2nd Sep 2011
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someone steal my idea
I had proposed a similar idea to DOE back in 2009 for funding. My proposal was turn down. Now this idea is flowing around in the technical community. I think somebody steal my concept and try it to be his/her. My proposal was using different nuclear material and the conversion technology. This should be a lot safer than Thorium. I should apply patent back then.
Posted by chinmanwong@...
2nd Sep 2011
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Don't Give Up ...
You still can ...
If your process uses a different (maybe a safer) material, you can apply for an Improvement Patent. Different Fuel Material - Different Laser Frequency - Different Shape of the containment unit ... HEY! It's yours.
Look at the Mouse Trap ... at least 7 way to catch those rodents and each uses the basic same method ... SNAP! Mouse is dead.
Posted by cpuguy1
10th Sep 2011
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Sure
Ooooh! The nuclear powered Pinto - can't wait!
Posted by josmyth
2nd Sep 2011
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Pinto?
Pinto?
Gremlin! Nuclear Powered Gremlin!
Posted by cpuguy1
10th Sep 2011
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Hoax, Fraud, or Yellow Journalism?
Ah, would that it were true!

Surely if this Charles Stevens (or anyone else for that matter) had done such important work in 1985 or any recent year, there would have been some kind of patent activity as a result. There is no record of it.

Therefore, this report is just a modern example of "yellow journalism" (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism) done "idiocracy" style, since even a trivial search of Google Patents reveals ZERO entries for MaxFeLaser and similarly ZERO for this Charles Stevens having to do with Lasers or Thorium in 1985 or any other year.

A quick search directly at the USPTO home page yields nearly the same results: they *do* list a "Charles Stevens Coffey" on ONE patent having nothing to do with this subject -- obviously a different man -- and ONE from N. Carolina early this year related to an adult toy at http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=1&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&S1=Stevens-Charles.INNM.&OS=in/Stevens-Charles&RS=IN/Stevens-Charles
... which clearly seems like a different man as well.

Thus I conclude that this story is all hogwash at best, and a fraudulent hoax at worst.

The only reasonable exception to my reasoning is IF the USPTO, perhaps in concert with DoD, put a National Security gag order on the entire matter, in which case this Mr. Stevens will be spending the next few years in court, if not prison. 'Nuff said.

Keywords: "Charles Stevens" Patent MaxFeLaser Laser Thorium 1985 Hoax Fraud "yellow journalism"
Posted by Techno-Shaman
Updated - 2nd Sep 2011
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patent
Maybe I should try to patent this.
Posted by chinmanwong@...
2nd Sep 2011
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The Cadillac in the artwork was not sponsored by General Motors.
There was no General Motors contract to develop this concept car. It was an independent designer that took creative license with the GM namesake. There was no thorium car in development. Some numbers were tossed around for thorium powered vehicles as a conversion rate of throrium to gasoline over the life of the car..
http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-cetera/8-grams-of-thorium-could-replace-gasoline-in-cars-20110812/
Posted by RLaviolette
Updated - 5th Jan
Posted by RLaviolette
5th Jan
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Famous for nothing
I haven't accomplished anything either. Think that'll get my name in lights? Oh, there's the phone now!
Posted by justajo
2nd Sep 2011
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Thorium car?
I bet this won't overcome the NIMBY folks, but how about one of these for distributed electrical power? Here in S. Florida, we often go for weeks without power because of hurricanes. If something like this could be competitively priced with a whole-house generator, it might fly, if 1) the power companies will purchase the excess electricity and 2) if it is long-term reliable.
Posted by Starman35
6th Sep 2011
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Sorry this is a scam...
Not sure how this keeps finding new life on the internet, but this exact same story appeared in late 2008. It was fraud then. It is fraud now.
Posted by ShockMe
9th Sep 2011
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Thorium based engines and gensets.
If cars cannot accommodate the thorium technology, then they should focus on designing these for use in big rigs.
Posted by Gabriel Atega
11th Sep 2011
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A laser is not a power resource
This smells like BS, with a side order of BS, and some BS sauce on top.

Almost every word in this story (and the source story) is nonsense. Thorium does not even have an atomic mass of 90--it has an atomic *number* of 90. Its atomic mass is 232 or so, depending on the isotope. May seem like a quibble, but anyone who's taken AP high school physics would not make that mistake.

Lasers emit light, by definition. The "l" in laser stands for light. A radioactive source that generates heat is not a laser, it is a nuclear-thermal system. A conventional nuclear reactor is one such system.

As Urgelt points out, any radioactive power source that operates near people will require shielding. No sign of it here. Laser Power Systems, the "inventor," explains that the heat of the thorium (through some mumbo jumbo) would boil water and drive a turbine. So now you have not only shielding but an entire onboard powerplant. Now you might recall why those nuclear-powered concept cars from the 1950s never amounted to anything.

As for the idea that the thorium could be used as a laser rather than as a radioactive power source--uh uh. First of all, thorium is not a good lasing material. But that's irrelevant, because a laser is not a power source. Let me repeat: A LASER IS NOT A POWER SOURCE. A laser is a very effective way of creating a coherent beam of light, but a laser must be pumped (ie, receive an energy input) before it lases (ie, produces an energy output). Saying that the car is powered by a laser make no more sense than saying it is powered by a light bulb, or by a toaster. Unless the laser is plugged into an electric outlet, it's not going to power your car.

Anyone who still wants to believe: Follow the trail back to the Laser Power Systems web site and behold a big mountain of steaming BS, topped with a rich layer of crazy.
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Posted by Cheapy
8th May 2012
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Lasers come in many designs and emit various energies..
The lasers/masers are used in regard to thorium as a triggering effect to release energy. The energy is the radioactive thorium itself. It decays and releases fissionable energy when bombarded. It works much in the same way as a transistor gates a larger source of energy with a control current.
The Laser is not the source of power. The release of energy is more than ample to power the laser regulation system. 8 oz of thorium would release the equivalent energy of 7,500 gallons of gasoline. This is the estimate of fuel consumption for the life of a car.
There are currently 3 thorium reactors producing electricity and heat.One is in India and producing power along with utilizing spent uranium which extends its own usefulness with low grade radioactivity.
There is also speculation that the thorium plasma battery is DOD DARPA military tech device. It not a stretch to consider a device that could run a car for its entire lifetime could in a single moment, make one ass kicking EMP device and knock out a city grid or a missile. (A device recently announced by the defense department.).
Another issue is revenue, thorium is relatively cheap and would run much more cheaply than fossil fuels and other forms of nuclear. Oil companies do like being between us and our wallets. The government rakes in huge sums of gasoline tax money from the sale of gasoline.
Thorium is abundant with 20% of the world supply in the United States.
Posted by RLaviolette
Updated - 5th Jan
Posted by RLaviolette
5th Jan
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Interesting
Hi
i would be afraid of the implication from the radiation from this new energy. What we really need in the world is tele-portation. There is a guy Andrew Basiago who worked for the military that has stated that our govt already has teleportation devices. And yes, the same type that you saw in the show Star Trek. I would look up this guy's name on youtube and you can hear the videos. it's fascination.

Thanks for this info,
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Posted by karenmoss
6th Oct
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that car
that car is totally beautiful. I would love to drive it. I'm worried about the new form of fuel. I don't know if there has been much testing to see if it has any effects on the human race. You know there are people who have converted their cars to run on vegetable oils.

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Posted by carlover41
Updated - 15th Oct
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