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Nuclear cars, with help from thorium lasers

By | August 30, 2011, 8:53 AM PDT

Could radioactive elements power future cars?

To be sure, it’s a crazy concept chock full of problems — safety, infrastructure, sustainability, education — but suspend your skepticism for just a moment and consider.

In this week’s Txchnologist (theme: “Advanced Output”), Steven Ashley writes of a thorium laser power generation system that could one day (albeit in the distant future) provide electricity for the grid, power appliances or homes and most compelling of all, power a future car.

The man behind the work: inventor Charles Stevens, whose Massachusetts-based firm Laser Power Systems is working on the development of a turbine/electric generator system powered by “an accelerator-driven thorium-based laser.”

Thorium, a mildly radioactive metal, is abundant, especially in India. It’s considered a good stand-in for uranium in nuclear reactors because its fission is not self-sustaining — meaning it won’t become unmanageable.

By lasing, or exciting, the element, the thorium produces heat, which flashes a fluid to create pressurized steam that drives a turbine that turns an electric generator. It all happens inside a closed-loop system.

Ashley reports:

A 250-kilowatt unit (equivalent to about 335 horsepower) weighing about 500 pounds would be small and light enough to put under the hood of a car, Stevens claims. And because a gram of thorium has the equivalent potential energy content of 7,500 gallons of gasoline, LPS calculates that using just 8 grams of thorium in the unit could power an average car for 5,000 hours, or about 300,000 miles of normal driving.

To to mention that it would be free of emissions.

It sounds far-fetched, but Stevens isn’t alone in this thinking: at the 2009 Chicago Auto Show, General Motors unveiled a thorium-powered concept car under its Cadillac marque. Designed by Lorus Kulesus and named the “World Thorium Fuel Concept,” the concept wasn’t a working prototype but nonetheless was sufficiently provoking for GM to display the concept publicly.

For now, the most imminent hurdle is not concerning the laser proper but the turbine and and generator, which are too large for automotive use.

A laser-powered car? Sounds plenty futuristic to us.

Thorium lasers: The thoroughly plausible idea for nuclear cars [Txchnologist]

Photos: GM

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Good Design
I like the design of the car is rely very extra ordinary and looks great. No one can forget it after seeing once.
http://www.motorexpress.net/
Posted by StephanFlaming
30th Aug
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Of course!
I've been annoyed that Thorium reactors aren't being pushed for new power plants, and even thought about the fact that "neighborhood generators" should be possible using Thorium reactors (thus eliminating the need for transmission lines), but for some reason I hadn't thought of having the reactor on board the vehicle. Recently I've been pushing the idea that in 10-15 years we'll only have to charge our cars up once or twice a month, rather than filling the gas tanks weekly as we do today. The idea that we would never, ever have to recharge during the typical life of an automobile is phenomenal!
Posted by AlanLaRue
2nd Sep
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Why it won't fly....
As long as Petroleum is in the ground the fat-cats who own and control it will ascertain that no other source of energy will destroy their oil-burning dynasty... the money is just too easy to make and the tooling needs no further investment. Nice try though.

What's nice about science is that it exposes greed for what it is.
Posted by Cyclingmasterseller
2nd Sep
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Millions of these on the road? I don't think so.
It would be excellent for power companies. But putting it in automobiles would never happen. Thorium dust would end up in the air one way or another. Remember lead in the gasoline and asbestos in the brakes? There's no way to prevent contamination whether it's at the junkyard or auto repair shop or in accidents or even daily operation. Let's forget this idea. But thousands of the 'reactors' at power plants supplying the grid might work.
Posted by vbprgrmr@...
2nd Sep
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Kill me now or kill me later...either way you're dead
Just another source of deadly pollution getting into the environment...only here it doesn't have to go so far to kill you. Sounds like an excellent candidate for a Darwin Award. But, hey. Put it in a wowee package, rather than a - yawn - drab and boring electric car and we'll demand it, won't we.
Posted by justajo
2nd Sep
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Seriously....no, really
How much mercury dust in a CFL? Very minute but there are plenty of us who don't want even that much in our house. How much depleted uranium is in one of those bullets? Not much there, either but I don't know anyone who'd like to get drilled with one.
Posted by justajo
2nd Sep
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Crash test?
What would happen in the event of a car crash? Is an explosion of grand magnitude possible? Just what are the deleterious effects of such a beast as this? I admit, I do like it!!
Posted by Cyclingmasterseller
2nd Sep
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Not so scary
8 grams is approximately 1/4 ounce - less than a bottle of nail polish - to power a car for a lifetime of driving. Now the question is... can I plug my house into my car?
Posted by tnice
2nd Sep
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someone steal my idea
I had proposed a similar idea to DOE back in 2009 for funding. My proposal was turn down. Now this idea is flowing around in the technical community. I think somebody steal my concept and try it to be his/her. My proposal was using different nuclear material and the conversion technology. This should be a lot safer than Thorium. I should apply patent back then.
Posted by chinmanwong@...
2nd Sep
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Don't Give Up ...
You still can ...
If your process uses a different (maybe a safer) material, you can apply for an Improvement Patent. Different Fuel Material - Different Laser Frequency - Different Shape of the containment unit ... HEY! It's yours.
Look at the Mouse Trap ... at least 7 way to catch those rodents and each uses the basic same method ... SNAP! Mouse is dead.
Posted by cpuguy1
10th Sep
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Sure
Ooooh! The nuclear powered Pinto - can't wait!
Posted by josmyth
2nd Sep
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Pinto?
Pinto?
Gremlin! Nuclear Powered Gremlin!
Posted by cpuguy1
10th Sep
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Hoax, Fraud, or Yellow Journalism?
Ah, would that it were true!

Surely if this Charles Stevens (or anyone else for that matter) had done such important work in 1985 or any recent year, there would have been some kind of patent activity as a result. There is no record of it.

Therefore, this report is just a modern example of "yellow journalism" (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism) done "idiocracy" style, since even a trivial search of Google Patents reveals ZERO entries for MaxFeLaser and similarly ZERO for this Charles Stevens having to do with Lasers or Thorium in 1985 or any other year.

A quick search directly at the USPTO home page yields nearly the same results: they *do* list a "Charles Stevens Coffey" on ONE patent having nothing to do with this subject -- obviously a different man -- and ONE from N. Carolina early this year related to an adult toy at http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=1&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&S1=Stevens-Charles.INNM.&OS=in/Stevens-Charles&RS=IN/Stevens-Charles
... which clearly seems like a different man as well.

Thus I conclude that this story is all hogwash at best, and a fraudulent hoax at worst.

The only reasonable exception to my reasoning is IF the USPTO, perhaps in concert with DoD, put a National Security gag order on the entire matter, in which case this Mr. Stevens will be spending the next few years in court, if not prison. 'Nuff said.

Keywords: "Charles Stevens" Patent MaxFeLaser Laser Thorium 1985 Hoax Fraud "yellow journalism"
Posted by Techno-Shaman
Updated - 2nd Sep
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patent
Maybe I should try to patent this.
Posted by chinmanwong@...
2nd Sep
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Famous for nothing
I haven't accomplished anything either. Think that'll get my name in lights? Oh, there's the phone now!
Posted by justajo
2nd Sep
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Thorium car?
I bet this won't overcome the NIMBY folks, but how about one of these for distributed electrical power? Here in S. Florida, we often go for weeks without power because of hurricanes. If something like this could be competitively priced with a whole-house generator, it might fly, if 1) the power companies will purchase the excess electricity and 2) if it is long-term reliable.
Posted by Starman35
6th Sep
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Sorry this is a scam...
Not sure how this keeps finding new life on the internet, but this exact same story appeared in late 2008. It was fraud then. It is fraud now.
Posted by ShockMe
9th Sep
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Thorium based engines and gensets.
If cars cannot accommodate the thorium technology, then they should focus on designing these for use in big rigs.
Posted by Gabriel Atega
11th Sep
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