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Is the modern office dead?

By | December 6, 2010, 7:42 AM PST

You can’t get work done at work anymore.

That’s according to Jason Fried, founder of web-based collaboration company 37Signals. Writing at CNN.com, Fried says the modern office — with interruptions, meetings and all means of real-time communication — is no longer a good place to accomplish tasks.

He writes:

When you’re in the office you’re lucky to have 30 minutes to yourself. Usually you get in, there’s a meeting, then there’s a call, then someone calls you over to their desk, or your manager comes over to see what you’re doing. These interruptions chunk your day into smaller and smaller bits. Fifteen minutes here, 30 minutes there, another 15 minutes before lunch, then an afternoon meeting, etc. When are you supposed to get work done if you don’t have any time to work?

Expanding on his talk at TEDxMidwest, Fried suggests there’s a smarter way to work, such as “No-Talk Thursdays” once a month, and doing away with face-to-face collaboration, which he says can’t be turned off like an e-mail or instant message client.

He also says to play hooky at your next meeting, and bask in the productivity spoils that result.

It’s not just the actual space, either. It’s also the way companies are organized.

Here’s an excerpt from his actual TEDx talk:

The real problems are what I like to call the M&M’s, the managers and the meetings. Those are the real problems in the modern office today. And this is why things don’t get done at work, it’s because of the M&M’s.

Now what’s interesting is, if you listen to all the places that people talk about doing work — like at home, or in a car, or on a plane, or late at night, or early in the morning — you don’t find managers and meetings; you find a lot of other distractions, but you don’t find managers and meetings. So these are the things that you don’t find elsewhere, but you do find at the office.

And managers are basically people whose job it is to interrupt people. That’s pretty much what managers are for, they’re for interrupting people. They don’t really do the work, so they have to make sure everyone else is doing the work, which is an interruption.

And we have a lot of managers in the world now. And there’s a lot of people in the world now. And there’s a lot of interruptions in the world now because of these managers. They have to check in: “Hey, how’s it going? Show me what’s up,” and this sort of thing.

And they keep interrupting you at the wrong time, while you’re actually trying to do something they’re paying you to do, they tend to interrupt you.

Is Fried on to something? With so many meetings and e-mails to respond to that I can barely get a day’s work done, I can certainly see his point.

But at the same time, I often feel that showing up to someone’s cubicle or gathering a group for just five minutes’ time can expedite a stalled project and cut through the inbox noise.

What do you think: do we need taller silos at work, if only once in awhile?

Is the modern office dead?

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RE: Is the modern office dead?
I can't tell from this article whether something has changed dramatically in today's office place, or the writer is different mentally than workers in yesteryear (when I worked). It seems there is an even chance that some of both are contributing to his distress. Also, surely it matters what "work" means. Some people write, some 'coordinate", some place calls to clients, etc. The relative effectiveness of the design and functioning of the modern office place may depend on what you do for a living, i.e. what "work" means.
Posted by artful@...
6th Dec 2010
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RE: Is the modern office dead?
The reason there are more managers and meetings is that everyone has been taught since the 1950s that you need someone to coordinate and make decisions and you must MEASURE something in order to see if the work is being done. And no dictatorships, you all must have a consensus to do anything. Thus you have, as this person states, M&Ms all the time due to the way people have been taught.
what is the worse aspect is that as you INTEGRATE everything now you ALWAYS affect something else. Before when everthing was independent, and duplicated many times, one change would not affect elsewhere - but by centralizing and re-utilizing "refactoring" items you will ALWAYS affect something and thus you have to get EVERYONE to look at everything and cause lots of meetings to ensure that everything will still work.
Over centralization is less efficient than what is told to everyone.
Posted by TAPhilo
6th Dec 2010
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RE: Is the modern office dead?
This (the article) seems a curious stance for someone whose company promotes collaboration. I find it uninteresting to collaborate with myself. Therefore, meetings and face-to-face encounters are part of my work. Yes, there are times for heads-down work, where collaboration becomes interruption, and that needs to be partitioned off from collaboration. But, whether that is the exception nor the rule depends on the notion of what your "work" entails. I don't consider light manager interaction (e.g., management by walking around) to interfere with my work most of the time. A simple "Do Not Disturb" signal (sign or other agreed upon device) may be enough to channel this kind of interaction.
Posted by JimWillette
6th Dec 2010
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RE: Is the modern office dead?
From the time we moved from caves and trees to the office, it's
been like this. Nothing new. Nothing modern about it. Managing
personal time has always been critical to productivity, whether at
home, in the office or in the car.

No doubt, we can meet to death at work, but it's not the structure
or office or anything else about the workplace. It's about what we
accept and expect. One day a month for a day to yourself? A
waste of time. Blocks of time everyday that allow you to focus?
Should be mandatory.
Posted by Lucky2BHere
6th Dec 2010
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RE: Is the modern office dead?
Yes. Real work stopped being done when the first manager got the first MBA.
Posted by abear4562
6th Dec 2010
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RE: Is the modern office dead?
I'm saying this as a guy who works with an office with a majority of women but also have worked with predominantly men at other times, so I think that I can say with some confidence that Fried has just presented the quintessential male perspective on work.

Just let me know what you want, and leave me alone so I can do it. Meeting? Leave me out of it. If you want something, let me know in a way where I can control when I can get back with you.

I've known women who work in the same manner, but that's the exception, not the rule. To prove it, re-watch the video and imagine a female doing the presentation--I dare you not to smile!

What Fried seems to be downplaying here is the role that contact with fellow humans does for the work you are doing. In our department, we've tried to cut back on meetings and invited the minimum number of people that are absolutely necessary, but whenever we cut back on meetings and human contact altogether (and this goes for men too, in my experience), we'll see a drop in trust, an increase in misunderstanding, and ultimately a drop in productivity.

Instead of getting rid of offices, there needs to be a balance between group space and private space. Everyone needs to have both, and personal preferences will dictate how much of each is required. While indirect communication can be a valuable substitute for and even occationally be preferable to face-to-face contact, they can easily become worse than face-to-face. I don't know how many times I've seen solitary workers be addicted to texting, phoning and emailing and actually reduce their productivity from the so-called unproductive more social settings.

And no-talk Thursdays? Truly the quintessential guy talking here. Ask any woman--or, if you're a guy, trust me, you don't even have to ask!
Posted by klassman6
6th Dec 2010
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RE: Is the modern office dead?
Try promoting a web developer to a Team Leader (with a few direct reports), then Manager (with a few direct reports of Team Leaders), then Director (with a few direct reports of Managers) and then CEO.

Without discussing about the monetary reward, you tell me how you feel about getting things done in keeping the company afloat and responsibly feeding all the families of your employees.

I'm of the view that most people will do what they are required to do, but some just need a little more reminder and tracking. happy
Posted by senhaku
6th Dec 2010
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No Offices is the Office
I looked at the 'offices' of facebook on 60 minutes Sunday and was horrified. They showed programmers writing code in an open space, with no place to think. Worse, there were clocks in the background, letting them know how much time they have remaining to finish their projects. Yes, it sort of looked freewheeling. But, in one way it looked like the assembly lines of a factory. Not the best way to work.
Posted by vbprgrmr@...
6th Dec 2010
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RE: Is the modern office dead?
Has this guy ever been a manager? Methinks not. He's talking from general wisdom which is not wise at all. He should try checking on the private sector in particular, because it sounds like he's been in government. I've been in big, small, public and private. He's a writer looking for a subject to write about and conventions to talk at wink
Posted by krot
6th Dec 2010
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RE: Is the modern office dead?
As the owner of a small manufacturing business (50+ employees)for more than 30 years, I found the cycle of never-ending meetings to be counter productive. My employees are my most important asset and I quickly learned empowering them to think for themselves was a much better option. On occasion a problem may occur and my office is always open, but I can usually be found out on the production floor working side by side with my fellow employees. As the old adage goes: you can give a hungry person a fish to make a single meal, or you can teach them how to fish and they will never be hungry again.

There are several pluses to my style of management: very happy employees, pride in one's work, few if any departmental power struggles, and best of all, increased profits which means everybody gets a rather sustantial bonus check each month.
Posted by redcaboosejr@...
6th Dec 2010
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RE: Is the modern office dead?
Oh, this is definitely true. There is no doubt about it. I am a teacher at a college. 4/5 of my load is online. However, I am still required to come on campus at least one hour a day for an "office hour" even if I have no classes on that day. I live in town. Some have to drive 30 minutes or more to sit in their office for an hour doing basically nothing. Or doing what they could have done more efficiently at home.

I have had maybe 5 students come by my "office hour" in the past two years. OTOH, I can't get any other work done, because of my colleagues having conversations in the hallway or chatting about some policy issue at work which we have no control over.

And don't get me started on meetings. Most face-to-face collaboration is wasted time. You have a 2 pm meeting and people are coming in all the way up to 2:30 and you have to catch each one up on what happened. Then at the end of the day, very little gets accomplished other than drinking coffee and eating danish and patting ourselves on the back that we had a "productive" meeting in which we basically just gave everyone an assignment which we would upload for review to the cloud.

We actually have the tools to make collaboration smarter and more efficient. We need to reorganize organizations to allow the employees to actually be productive.
Posted by webservant2003@...
6th Dec 2010
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RE: Is the modern office dead?
To the person who thought it was ironic that this is a man who promotes collaboration as the author and yet appears to be dissing collaboration.

I don't read it that way. There are many ways we collaborate, most of the time more effectively, than sitting gulping down coffee and eating danish and killing half the time talking (or more often griping) before getting to the actual meat of the meetings.

You can take a proposal, xerox it off and send it around a table and have people comment on it and you get their first impressions and a few superficial comments. Take that same proposal send it out as an email and get more comments (including ones from those who sit in the back and say nothing at meetings because they like to think through their comments first) and usually they are more specific, helpful and productive.

Recently, we did a major project resulting in a 50 page document with three people. We met a couple of times to divide up the work and then did the rest of the work via email and wiki. Everyone heard everyone else's comments and we had an excellent, maybe even better, collaboration than we would have with a ton of meetings.

And our young mother could do much of her work while watching her children and not having to choose between a meeting and a dance recital. And I could work around my health issues.

The world has changed folks and as organizations need to get productive, we have to consider efficiency in collaboration as much as anything else.

Terri
Posted by webservant2003@...
6th Dec 2010
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RE: Is the modern office dead?
I used to work in academia where meetings were very freewheeling and were usually called to get people to leave their desks at the whim of the person who called the meeting. Imagine having to vote on having an agenda for a meeting. No agenda, no meetings. It took the wind out of the sails of the person who expected people to show up based on his say so.
Posted by miss_grundy
6th Dec 2010
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RE: Is the modern office dead?
It's all about management training. In colleges, what they teach to in management classes is in opposition to what they teach in quality assurance classes.

Many managers are not really very good at managing people and processes.

Many managers need to feel in control. Case in point:

Our office was changing locations, and the Internet was not up and running at the new location, due to a management error. So, most of our employees were working from home, where they had broadband Internet connections.

After three (3) days, management was in the proverbial "tizzy". They had no people in the office to "manage". Their solution. "We need all employees to be in the office during business hours." So they got several people with laptops use their 56K modems to connect to the Internet, and then use Internet Connection Sharing to share their connections over the LAN.

Each laptop had at least three people sharing a 55K modem line, and they told us to only use the Internet when we had to...

Classic stupid management. No wonder that company is no more.
Posted by bb_apptix
7th Dec 2010
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