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Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says

By | April 13, 2011, 9:25 AM PDT

Weed may not be as green as you think.

Indoor marijuana growing operations in the United States are massive energy hogs, consuming some $5 billion worth of electricity each year, according to a new report.

That’s about 1 percent of the nation’s total power consumption.

The problem, according to efficiency firm Energy Associates, is that the pot industry is almost entirely prohibited in the U.S., keeping it hidden from regulators and, by extension, efficiencies in agricultural production.

Study author and Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory scientist Evan Mills writes that the average grow operation approaches 200 watts per square foot — enough to power a modern data center.

What’s more, a single joint contains the equivalent of about 2 lbs. of carbon dioxide emissions.

Mills writes (.pdf):

If improved practices applicable to commercial agricultural greenhouses are any indication, such large amounts of energy are not required for indoor cannabis production. Cost-effective efficiency improvements of 75 percent are conceivable.

Marijuana is considered the nation’s largest cash crop, with an estimated production value of $40 billion annually. At that scale, energy savings are significant: California’s indoor cultivation alone results in a carbon emissions equivalent of putting an additional 1 million cars on the road for a year.

It’s an interesting catch-22: if an industry is out of sight, can it really be regulated?

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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
The trash coming from this site has become unbearable, I'm opting out.
Posted by JimRicker
13th Apr 2011
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@JimRicker
Could you explain? We're all ears.
Posted by andrew.nusca
13th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
Andrew, I'm guessing that @JimRicker doesn't like articles about
banned substances, preferring instead to pretend that $40 billion
you mentioned doesn't really exist. It's a head-in-the-sand
approach that seems to make a lot of people feel better. Personally
I don't understand the approach - a million cars is a LOT of cars.
Posted by SierraEchoHotel
13th Apr 2011
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Indoor growing...
The only reason (as far as I know) that people grow cannabis
indoors in the first place is because it is illegal to grow and must be
kept out of sight. If it were legal, most people by far would grow it
outdoors. That alone would make a huge difference.
Posted by jackbp73
13th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
Just to be clear, corn is the nation's biggest cash crop, with an
estimated value of $67.2 billion for 2010.
Posted by bknorr@...
13th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
bknorr - can you cite your sources about corn ?
Posted by dev/null
13th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
I think you have two separate issues here, and they should not be combined. One issue is the growing (yes I know it's a pun) issue on people cultivating an illegal drug indoors, out of view of authorities, breaking the law. No matter what side of the fence you are on on this issue, you can't argue otherwise. You can disagree with the law, but that doesn't change anything.

The other issue is the power use while conducting your illegal operation. My guess is JimRicker doesn't wish to contribute to a morally corrupt discussion on how to make an illegal activity more productive by legalizing a drug. I think it's safe to say he does not agree with legalizing marijuana.

If you WERE to discuss such an issue, why not separate the issue from the illegal activity? Give readers a problem, ask them to utilize the scientific method and come up with an answer. How to grow "tomatoes" indoors using X amount of power. I will tell you why... It's boring to do that. It's much more interesting to read about growing pot indoors, and how to do it better.

The first thing that comes to mind for me... is alternative energy. Not only would this keep authorities from seeing an inordinate amount of energy being consumed on a residential power grid, but it would cut down on your overhead for growing your "tomatoes". Wind mills, Solar panels, etc... Why not?
Posted by fridgecritter@...
13th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
Oh, and a cash crop is defined as a crop produced for its commercial value rather than for use by the grower. My uneducated guess would be corn falls short of Mary Jane because a large portion of corn crops are not sold, but rather used as an ingredient to produce a totally new product, such as sugar, etc...

Maybe someone less ignorant on this subject can clarify this?
Posted by fridgecritter@...
13th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
Here's yet another thing to add to the long list of Obama betrayals. He campaigned on the policy that the fed would leave people alone in the states where it's now legal, yet the DEA continues to raid dispensaries in California, dozens per week!

Let's check Obama's "hope and change" record...

- Booted the health care thing (a complete giveaway to the health care industry, at the cost of the poor and middle class)

- Ready to screw the environment (remember how he came out in favor of off-shore drilling right before the BP debacle, and in favor of nuclear power right before Japan's catastrophe?)

- Instead of cleaning up Wall Street, he hired the foxes (e.g. Geitner, Emelt) to watch the chickens

How can the GOP and neocons give Obama such a hard time, when he does everything they ask?

Just add the persecution of people that enjoy the use of weed for medicinal purposes to the list - a list that continues to grow day by day.
Posted by omb00900@...
13th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
Fridgecutter is apparently unaware that medicinal pot is legal in at least 14 states, including many that allow for personal cultivation. How does the fed get to decide that they know better than the voters in those states?
Posted by omb00900@...
13th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
What?s more, a single joint contains the equivalent of about 2 lbs. of carbon dioxide emissions.

What exactly is this supposed to mean? How can a .1 ounce item have 2 lbs. of carbon dioxide in it? I'm confused, either this is very poorly worded or there's some funky math going on.
Posted by BrewmanNH
13th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
@omb00900 - As long as it's a federal crime to possess or distribute than they can and do conduct raids and make arrests even in states where it is legal. Federal Law trumps State Law.

@BrewmanNH - Think a little harder. The 2lbs. of CO2 emissions includes the amount produced based on the energy consumed during the growing process.
Posted by leupole
13th Apr 2011
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It suits....
the authorities to have a 'lever' on poor people, rich people, pop and football stars and film stars.

Hemp has been cultivated for human dope 'use' for thousands if not tens of thousands of years, and though admittedly the drug content has increased considerably, making people relaxed and 'dopy' has far less side-effects than excessive use of alcohol or especially smoking a lot of tobacco. You couldn't smoke more than a very few cannabis joints a day or you'd be totally spaced out!

Unlike ectasy for example, there's never been a single recorded death from pot over-dosing! As for mental health effects, it's so often used by those with dogy mental health anyway, i doubt any substantive research could be carried out!

The other thing the authorities like is it can give them leads to heroin or cocain or similar drug rings.

It's certainly a good point about the high energy usage in growing it indoors, (most often obtained by by-passing meters) hence putting up the cost of energy for the rest of us substantially, and risking causing energy rationing.

But if governments were to have the sense to TAX and legalise cannabis, it would also raise quite a lot (as in a HUGE amount) of TAX!

But the perennial problem is that as for years, cannabis has been classed as an illegal drug, legalising cannabis might seem as a message in relaxing drug laws generally, or particularly in setting a precedent which the authorities might not want. And so it goes round in circles, with perhaps many politicians willing in themselves to give legalising cannbis a try, but afraid to do so for fear of an adverse reaction from the voting public, and more so from the Police who do not want to see their powers in search warrants limited. We also don't know who higher up has a foot in hard drug rings or in cannabis rings, and who might suffer financially if it becomes legal; AND CHEAPER!!!!

The other problem of course is it's association with the swinging 60's etc and the authorities and the Police are genuinely afraid of a more relaxed society, less emphasis on hard work and sexual freedoms. It suits most politicians and the police to have a more authoritarian society and the Police to have more, not less powers!
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13th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
How does this (energy) cost compare to Tobacco production cost? And, why is it legal to sell tobacco?
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
In agriculture, a cash crop is a crop which is grown for profit.

The report, "Marijuana Production in the United States," by marijuana policy researcher Jon Gettman, estimates that marijuana production, at a value of $35.8 billion, exceeds the combined value of corn ($23.3 billion) and wheat ($7.5 billion).

The total intrinsic VALUE of corn grown grown in the U.S. probably exceeds that of cannibis, but much of it is used by the farmers themselves to feed their animals, not for direct sale. The government figures that 100% of marijuana is grown for profit, not for personal consumption.

JimRicker probably has a personal bias against most recreational drugs.

The fact is, marijuana is far safer to use, personally and socially, that alcohol or tobacco. It's impossible to consume enough pot to kill yourself. That's not true of alcohol. And the vast majority of pot smokers, even if they have unrestricted use, never consume as much as chain smoking cigarette smokers. More drivers are driving after smoking weed than drinkers; yet their accident rate is infintismal compared to drunk drivers. The reason why it was made illegal in the first place was for purely racist reasons; voters and politicians didn't want hispanics, especially Mexicans, coming into the U.S. The reason it remains illegal is for pure profit motive by the justice and legal professions.

Pot smoking does not cause an inordinate amount of harm in and of itself. However, the legal consequences are used by the government to disenfrancise minorities from their voting rights, and as a mean of eliminating eligibility to entitlements.

You see someone who claims to be against marijuana legalization, you're either looking at someone who is ignorant of the facts, or you're looking at someone who has a personal financial interest in busting people for it.
Posted by Dr_Zinj
14th Apr 2011
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financial interest?
It is easy to understand why liberals have an interest in legalizing pot.

TAXES and POWER.

Alcoholism was a full-blown epidemic in the old USSR because the government made producing liquor cheap and then taxed it.

They got money and a docile, drunk, citizenry.

People who spend half their lives stoned do not care what fraud and abuse happens in government with their tax money.

Many of the articles posted on this site are proof of that mentality.
Posted by Hates Idiots
14th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
So, you think if pot were legalized, people would stop growing it? Or, maybe that no one will grow it indoors?

"People who spend half their lives stoned do not care what fraud and abuse happens in government with their tax money"

I think that's pretty much a given, and has been evidenced.
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14th Apr 2011
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I think Hates Idiots hates just about everybody!
Posted by omb00900@...
14th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
a million cars is a LOT of cars....
Have you any idea how much FUEL an oil tanker or other large ship uses.would make the above look small on one trip.I do not have figures but was told this some time ago by company director.I think these figures are kept quite,with all this carbon footprint rubbish something like elephant to mouse!
If they legalise marijuana they the would get more taxes with a stoned population who did not care what they did with it,& more money to go after hard drugs.
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14th Apr 2011
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I do like some people.
I like people who still believe in the rewards of hard work and do not spend their lives with their hands out looking to a freebe.

The largest single group of people I hate are baby boomers.

They are the first generation in US history that will pass on a lower standard of living to the next generation as they retire and die off.

Many of them have left their children and grandchildren with massive debts at the family level while as a generation the leaders they elected have left us crushing debts at every level of government.

The frequently seen bumper sticker that says I AM SPENDING MY KIDS INHERITENCE sums of the greed that fell on the baby boomers and weakened a nation.
Posted by Hates Idiots
14th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
I suspect that Prohibition make alcohol production inefficient too. And of course, there are other parallels.
Posted by JimWillette
14th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
Just because it makes you lazy, slow, fat, and stupid we should be upset about the energy consumption instead?
Maybe smart meters can root out these illegal growers and put them out of business for the sake of mother earth. That would take care of the problem. Software analyzing energy usage should be able to find suspicious energy patterns; i.e. light on-off cycles should stick out.
Book 'em Dano.
Posted by philwhite42@...
14th Apr 2011
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I will support the legalization of marijuana...
.. when they pass guilty, but impaired laws.

Guilty, but impaired laws say that a person drunk or high is responsible for putting him or herself in that state and are therefore responsible for all actions they commit while impaired. Addition is no longer an out for committing a crime.

A conviction would mean they go to a secured treatment facility first to cure any addition. Once they are deemed cured they go to jail and finish out the jail term they received.

The total treatment/jail terms would be equal to that of an unimpaired person committing the same crime.

The punishment is both fair and humane because justice is served and an addicted person is helped.

Guilty, but impaired laws protect society against the people who claim daily use of marijuana or alcohol is ok and not proof of a disabling addiction, yet rush to use addiction as a shelter when they commit a crime.
Posted by Hates Idiots
14th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
I would like to point out that it is in fact a federal crime, and yes, federal law does trump state law, and it cracks me up when people repeat my points in their own post, like the part about corn not being sold directly, and being fed to cattle, etc...

But I think anytime you mention pot, you are going to get the discussion from both sides of the fence. You get the crazy liberals (as opposed to loving care free liberals, don't ask me the difference, just making a point) who want everything legalized no matter what the consequences, all the way to the folks who want dog collars and cameras on everyone, and if you spit out your gum you get zapped in the neck and a citation in the mail.

People use this thread for their soap box to argue why it should be legalized, when the discussion is really about environmental impact.

To argue that people will still grow pot indoors, sure, people will still grow it indoors, but what about the acres of pot that you would be able to grow outdoors in ambient (cost-free) light? Hire security guard, put up a fence, and save the energy.

Those of you who are comparing energy use to other industries, who cares? That's not the issue that was posed on this thread. The OP wanted to discuss pot's impact from growing it indoors because people are hiding it from the authorities.

I still stand by my point that people should pose solutions to the original issue. How would you grow your product indoors without using as much energy?

Some people have chosen not to discuss it for morality issues, and that's fine. That's their choice. I just think it's ridiculous to veer off on tangents about the drug itself when that's not the issue. Separate the issues, and pose a legitimate solution to the issue at hand.

I suggested solar or wind power to stay off the grid. Any ideas that don't involve ranting about who is right on the pot issue, and how Republicans are ruining the country, and throwing a bar of soap in the middle of a group of liberals will make them scatter? Come on people, let's hear it.
Posted by fridgecritter@...
14th Apr 2011
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Like it of not, the two discussions are intertwined fridge.
You cannot discuss the issue of improving the efficiency of growing pot without discussing the issue of legalizing pot.

If you do than lets discuss cocaine because the back woods methods of processing it are very inefficient. How about meth? Meth is very dangerous to produce so we should get OSHA involved?

Where do you stop?
Posted by Hates Idiots
14th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
You ask where do you stop, but the issue had nothing to do with the legality of the product being manufactured, other than to say the reason it's manufactured indoors is because it's illegal. There was no mention about whether it should be legal, or how many people agree that it should be illegal.

I understand that because people have strong opinions one way or another, they are intertwined, but comments like yours simply further the problem when trying to discuss a proprietary issue on a themed website. All of the posts here went way off subject and don't even fit the venue that is this website. This might as well be in a pot magazine, because it has no value to the venue.

Given this fact, you can understand why either side of the issue (not the issue that was supposed to be discussed, but the pot issue) sends both sides into a fit... supporters get mad because people have to grow their pot indoors, and non-supporters (like the first reply to this topic) get mad and simply give up, citing disgust.

The genius of your reply though "Hates Idiots" is that by objecting to veering off topic, I have knowingly been duped into addressing the legalization of MJ myself.

I am not so ignorant that I don't know that they are intertwined. Out of context, the subject of pot and the law will always be intertwined as long as it remains illegal. I am simply saying, given the venue, one has nothing to do with the other. Smartplanet is not a Marijuana advocate site, nor is it an anti-MJ site.

I find myself in the position of JimRicker, knowing that this post was simply bait to get a good back and forth discussion going, since it's obvious the moderators, or anyone affiliated with the site is not chiming in yet.

I guess it's boring to discuss the issue the original poster has posed to us, so I give up. I leave you all to continue your rant about whether you should be able to smoke your weed. Have fun with that.
Posted by fridgecritter@...
14th Apr 2011
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Perhaps the BATFE, or whichever law enforcement entity monitoring pot growing, could start observng electric power usage from the utility companies. Compare several houses near each other, and if one uses in inordinate amount of power, say two to three times the others average, start the surveillance! Nobody ever said it was gonna be easy!
Posted by mogul264
14th Apr 2011
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There is a very simple method available to reduce the electricity
consumption of indoor pot growing.
Use LEDs in the right colour spectrum.
Another method is your own off grid generator (LPG or Petrol
powered) and use the waste heat for your hot water demand.
2 problems (energy use and detection) solved.
Posted by kwickset@...
14th Apr 2011
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Use LEDs in the right colour spectrum.
very expensive to produce & manufacture at right wavelength.
Another method is your own off grid generator (LPG or Petrol
powered) 3-4 times more expensive & as locations for growing are sometimes remote noise heat signature from above & fuel storage are a problem. Probably easier to extract the power illegally ( they would not do that would they...) on large factory complex with very high energy demand in the hope it would not be noticed. These are just quick ways of doing these things from an electrical Engs point of view on purely academic bases. Think if these people were doing it for real & paid an eng (ex power company redundant with lots of depts., a lot of money for advice no problem....
Software analyzing energy usage should be able to find suspicious energy patterns; i.e. light on-off cycles should stick out.
Book 'em Dano. Two crops in total darkness 180 deg out of phase so power consumption is constant. with location a farm or industrial complex which is in use 24 hours. Back to the drawing board! In the uk they use helicopters with IR cameras to spot unusual amount of heat from domestic houses . There was an incident in the north of England where some people who were raided because of them, got there own back (without getting caught) of going to where the helicopter was kept on small airfield & smashing it with iron bars & baseball bats did hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of damage did not fly for a long time. Setting fire to in would have caused attention. police got a shock when they next went to hanger to use it. very low Tec solution to high Tec problem. I don?t think police used it again for that.
Posted by ronangel
14th Apr 2011
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@ Dr_Zinj
The reason it was made illegal had nothing to do with racist reasons, it was because a president (I think Roosevelt) bowing to political pressure outlawed it even though the official report stated there was no negative physicological or psychological affects of cannibis. The government used the Mexican name marijuana instead of the proper name Cannibis in order to bastardize it, along with the U.S. paid for movie "Reffer Madness". Anyone with a nick of common sense can see that Reffer Madness fits meth more than any other drug.....
This was all aired on the History Channel.
Posted by Tinman57
14th Apr 2011
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Correction, the movie was "Reefer Madness", not Reffer Madness. Sorry bout dat....
Posted by Tinman57
14th Apr 2011
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How many watts are being used by computers in office buildings
all over the world? In ratio it is a much larger inefficient "eco-
drain" by all of these PC's.

Most of the electricity is generated by water-flow that is continual
anyway and is not degrading anything or causing harmful emissions while generating.

Who really cares about this? These are people paying their own
electricity bills and at-least aren't being funded by the collapsing
government.

I think there are much bigger fish to fry personally.
Posted by TorgrimsonT@...
15th Apr 2011
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Depends on if you buy the propaganda
People have been fed so much negative propaganda about cannabis that they assume it must be true. I have known quite a few pot smokers in my 50 years. A number of them in well placed positions (Including lawyers, judges and law enforcement and one state supreme court justice.) who can't speak out in favor for fear of losing those positions. None of them smoke full time. People who do that only will find something else to self medicate with instead. (usally more harmful substances too)

A real political number was done on cannabis and for a number of reasons from govt agencies needing to preserve their jobs to industries who saw hemp/cannabis growth as a threat to their industries.

as to the statement: "People who spend half their lives stoned do not care what fraud and abuse happens in government with their tax money"

Actually that applies to koolaid and cheap beer drinkers.

Back to the article. Legalize it and growers will move it out to greenhouses where the energy is free and the CO2 footprint will be reduced considerably.
Posted by NoSacredCow
15th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
How do we get it legalized in North Carolina? My wife is good in
growing plants, she grew up on a farm and we need the income.
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15th Apr 2011
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@torgrimson
@fridgecritter

My understanding is that many, perhaps most, indoor grow-ops
do not pay for the electricity they use. They make illegal (and
unsafe) connections to the grid to bypass meters. Why would
they spend money on a visible solar panel or wind turbine? Their
electricity is already "Free" to them! It's the rest of us suckers who
end up paying for it.
Posted by Schleeve
15th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
Why do stories like this attact rantosauri? This is a science blog. The science says that federal regulation steers the "invisible hand" postulated by Adam Smith as creating market efficiency. Ergo, by driving crop production "underground" to use artificial lighting the federal law imposes a cost on users and a cost to the environment for everyone.

The subsidies to corn to produce ethanol are the exact same thing - subsidies that skew the market to a higher price for a government purpose (in theory reducing imports of foreign oil, in practice fertilizing corn crops with foreign oil and paying higher prices for food, feed, AND fuel). Science!

Making pot illegal has enormous costs in catching, prosecuting, defending, feeding, treating, and housing prisoners, loss of productivity, unemployment, broken families, street violence, etc. Electricity and global warming are just more costs. Science, not rant.
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15th Apr 2011
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1 percent of the nation?s total power consumption - hard to believe. would like to see the facts behind that one
Posted by TimedRelease
15th Apr 2011
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An industry that's illegal can NOT be regulated. The Federal Marijuana Prohibition forces the multi-billion dollar marijuana industry to be unregulated and untaxed. Ever wonder why your kids can access weed so easily? It's because of this prohibition that you pay for.
Posted by jway86
15th Apr 2011
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I still don't understand why CO2 emissions are a bad thing, since plants need CO2 to live. Help me understand? Animals breath in O2 and Nitrogen and breath out CO2, while plants breath in the CO2 and Nitrogen and breath out O2. Isn't that a complete complimentary cycle? I don't know, I'm not a scientist, unless you consider my 2 yr degree in Computer SCIENCE.
Posted by edwardtisdale
15th Apr 2011
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Yep, edwardtisdale, two years in IT does not make you a scientist. Higher CO2 content in the atmosphere causes a greenhouse effect, less heat is radiated into outer space, and the planet warms. It's one of the few things about which scientists really do know a good deal.
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15th Apr 2011
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@JimRicker and fridgecritter,
"The other issue is the power use while conducting your illegal
operation. My guess is JimRicker doesn't wish to contribute to a
morally corrupt discussion on how to make an illegal activity more
productive by legalizing a drug. I think it's safe to say he does not
agree with legalizing marijuana."

Another problem with marijuana being illegal in the first place. I
guess it's been illegal long enough where the simple fact of being
an illegal substance weighs more in people's minds than what
marijuana actually is.

I doubt an article in growing tobacco would spark such a reaction.
A plant that contributes to the deaths of so many as opposed to a
frowned upon recreational "drug".
Posted by thefatalepic
15th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
OK, I know this article and subsequent discussion thread targets the strains of cannabis sativa that have been bred to contain high (no pun intended) concentrations of the psychoactive stuff (primarily THC) that gets you high (pun intended), but let's look at the other side of the plant: the industrial hemp that contains only minor traces of THC and has multiple industrial uses, from food to clothing to paper to rope to energy. The U.S. is the only industrialized nation that doesn't allow growing industrial hemp, which was an important cash crop to George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, among others in this nation's history.

The problem is that the federal government and DEA think that growers will mix the psychoactive stuff in with the industrial stuff, which is almost comical because if you do then the plants will naturally cross-pollinate, diluting both the illegal value of the psychoactive stuff and the legal value of the industrial stuff.

Legalities aside, there is not only the ecological advantage of using less energy of not growing marijuana indoors, as discussed in this article, but also the ecological value of allowing growth of industrial hemp that requires less energy, fertilizer and time of, say, tree farms for paper pulp, or harvesting fish for food sources of important omega fatty acids that hemp can provide. Farmers in North Dakota, for example, have been lobbying hard to allow the growth of industrial hemp because it can provide an important cash crop that is less labor and resource intensive, and farmers could could potentially produce two hemp crops per year even in North Dakota's relatively short growing season. So far, our federal government isn't budging.

Federal law aside, several states already allow the growth and distribution of marijuana under strict and controlled circumstances for medical use. Personally, I think it's time the feds wised up and allowed growing both marijuana and industrial hemp. It would save this country billions in failed anti-drug policies, get bad guys out of our national forests, allow medical users to get what they need along with a potential new tax source for federal, state, and local governments under better controlled circumstances, and allow farmers to provide an important cash crop that is earth-friendly, and creating new jobs in processing industrial hemp with its multiple uses.

Why not? If every other industrial country can grow industrial hemp, why not the U.S.?
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15th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
edwardtisdale,

The carbon in the CO2 you exhale comes from the plants you eat (or from the animals you eat that ate plants) so there is a balance between what you breath out and what you take in. That CO2 is not the problem. The carbon in the CO2 emitted by burning fossil fuels is carbon that has been sequestered from the environment for 10's-100's of millions of years. Putting it back into circulation so-to-speak is what is causing the problem. Burning 1 ton of coal releases over 2.5 tons of CO2 to the atmosphere.


Back on topic, keeping cannabis illegal is simply a ridiculous waste of money and resources. If you could convert all of the alcoholics in this country into potheads we'd be far better off. I consider drug use of any kind to be a medical problem, not a criminal problem.
Posted by riverat1
15th Apr 2011
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Posted by zhengttm
Updated - 17th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
For those that ACTUALLY want to educate themselves on the matter, you can watch this documentary online about it: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-union-the-business-behind-getting-high/ and you can plainly see that it does use a LOT of power to grow this indoors when, if it were legal, it could be grown outdoors using 'relatively' no resources since it is, after all, a WEED.

I suggest that anyone passionate about this subject should watch it and become more educated on the matter before firing off at someone with a differing opinion.
Posted by JPHiggs
16th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
@jongreenlee: from a scientific and rational perspective, probably one of the more valuable contributions to the comments here. Let me enhance it by an example: BMW use hemp fibres as a natural fibre in the inner lining of car door on certain models; I'm not sure whether this also applies to USA models.
Potential uses in medicine, especially of the non-industrial variety (high THC), also abound.
Lastly, on the subject of legalization of marijuana, or for that matter drugs in general: if done correctly, the benefits of legalisation outweigh the drawbacks hugely, measured any way you like: lives lost or ruined, money expended, crime reduction, etc. etc. It always fascinated me that Netherlands, in spite of one of the laxest drug regimes (and in some instances legal) in the world, had one on the lowest hard drug addiction problems (pro rata) in the world.
Posted by pasta2u
17th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
It is time to regulate, tax and it make it energy efficient. It isn't working to police it when it is the biggest cash crop and legalizing it would stop funding the border war.
Posted by Thermoguy
17th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
Marijuana is a multiple LOSER no matter how you look at it. (A) Use of it causes brain damage. Easily shown on CT & MRI scans. It causes holes to form in the brain - thus proving the perspective that you must have holes in your head to use dope at all. (B) It is known to cause early senility, loss of will to win, & so on. (C) Growing it under lights is a massive energy sink. (D) 2nd-hand smoke of EVERY kind is MORE TOXIC & therefore more dangerous than 'primary' smoke. Use of it around others is abuse of all. But then it isn't called "dope" for no reason. Spray this crap with RoundUp laced with borax & get rid of it. Permanently. Now. In my company, anyone who even hangs out with pot heads is fired. No apologies or hesitation - we can't afford them. Since no one is an island, there is no such thing as "victimless crime" or "personal choice issue" here. It's just plain stupid. You only get one brain. Hechetu ye. / End of discussion.
Posted by Indian.Maid
18th Apr 2011
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RE: Federal ban on marijuana results in inefficient industry, report says
Interesting. First time I hear of brain holes. I have to questions for: 1) Would you please give us a documented reference? 2) Are you sure is not otherwise, that is, holes in the brain were not before smoking pot? Wasting energy to grow marijuana is not the only way to drain energy, perhaps watching a foolish show on TV, in this line of thinking, should also be banned, or ban this discussion because we are wasting energy,...and worst, wasting time. There are societies with lots of affection for drug use, wishing a pill for everything, looking for a pill to be smarter instead of hard training the brain, looking for anabolic substances to be stronger without exercise; if I were Freudian, i would call this "social orality". Some call marijuana a "leisure drug", but pay for it as it were vital, the essence of happiness, otherwise, why do not you simple drop it? I believe when you said marijuana is not deadly for users, however, it is deadly for sellers. Sellers fight either with police or between them, for the market. So, it increase violence if you forbid it, and it increase violence if you do not. Governments have tried forbidding it, perhaps they should give a trial to see what happens making it legal, just an experiment. But the best thing to do, is to stop using it. Stop seeing it as a "leisure"...paid with human lives.
Posted by Le petit Fer
18th Apr 2011
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