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Boeing’s 787 Dreamliner: Simply too complex?

By | November 11, 2010, 1:34 PM PST

Boeing’s latest setback with its 787 Dreamliner shows just how hard it is to get a plane—based on new technologies—off the ground.

Earlier this week, a 787 had an emergency landing in Texas. The 787 was on a 6-hour test flight when it landed due to smoke in the rear of the plane. Test flights for the 787 were then scrapped. As for orders, Boeing said 787 sales were flat last week after Saudi Arabian Airlines completed a deal to acquire eight Dreamliners. Boeing also lost eight orders from Alafco, a Kuwait leasing company.

The emergency landing was just the latest setback for the plane, which is three years late. Boeing planned to deliver the first 787 to All Nippon Airways early in 2011. Those deliveries are now in flux. Boeing’s 787 debut has been delayed six times over composite materials, lack of parts, redesigns and a delicate dance with suppliers.

According to Bloomberg, Boeing CEO Jim McNerney said the company is studying the fire and will know “fairly quickly” what the impact on deliveries will be. Boeing in a statement (in full below) said the investigation is ongoing.

The larger question: Was the Dreamliner project too ambitious?

There’s no question that the 787 will get to the finish line at some point, but there’s a supply chain ballet underway, according to Howard Rubel, an analyst at Jefferies. Rubel noted that Boeing has completed 70 percent of the certification tests required and 80 percent of flight test hours. That was before the emergency landing of the 787 test flight.

Rubel’s view of the supply chain was notable. In a research note, he said:

In any development program, there is always a balance between minimizing the build-up in rework cost necessary for certification for in-production aircraft and having planes ready for delivery once certification is received. We are now at that stage. Boeing will, in effect, have two lines going running for deliveries. One will have planes that require the incorporation of changes identified in the certification process. The other will be the standard assembly line, which will conform to the type certification. In some cases, it will be easier to incorporate the changes into the supply chain than to access areas inside the completed aircraft. So some of the early-production aircraft may well be delivered after later aircraft in the production sequence. In some cases, this delay is the reason why the engine manufacturers have not yet shipped their power plants. Engines represent substantial working capital.

Now that supply chain dance gets even more complicated after the emergency landing.

Boeing could find a root cause quickly. Or the investigation could take a while. In any case, the 787 could be delayed again. Deutsche Bank analyst Myles Walton said:

We aren’t sure how quickly Boeing and its partners will have an answer on the root-cause and the remedy, but this is clearly another piece of straw on the back of the already tenuous certification/delivery schedule. At a minimum, we wouldn’t expect flight tests to continue until root-cause determination is established. We do believe investors are already prepared for an incremental 3 month delay on top of the mid-1Q 2011 first delivery.

If the 787 is delayed beyond three months this once promising project is going to be viewed much differently.

Update: Here’s Boeing’s statement:

Boeing continues to investigate Monday’s incident on ZA002. We have determined that a failure in the P100 panel led to a fire involving an insulation blanket. The insulation self-extinguished once the fault in the P100 panel cleared. The P100 panel on ZA002 has been removed and a replacement unit is being shipped to Laredo. The insulation material near the unit also has been removed.

Damage to the ZA002 P100 panel is significant. Initial inspections, however, do not show extensive damage to the surrounding structure or other systems. We have not completed our inspections of that area of the airplane.

The P100 panel is one of several power panels in the aft electronics bay. It receives power from the left engine and distributes it to an array of systems. In the event of a failure of the P100 panel, backup power sources – including power from the right engine, the Ram Air Turbine, the auxiliary power unit or the battery – are designed to automatically engage to ensure that those systems needed for continued safe operation of the airplane are powered. The backup systems engaged during the incident and the crew retained positive control of the airplane at all times and had the information it needed to perform a safe landing.

Molten metal has been observed near the P100 panel, which is not unexpected in the presence of high heat. The presence of this material does not reveal anything meaningful to the investigation.

Inspection of the surrounding area will take several days and is ongoing. It is too early to determine if there is significant damage to any structure or adjacent systems.

As part of our investigation, we will conduct a detailed inspection of the panel and insulation material to determine if they enhance our understanding of the incident.

We continue to evaluate data to understand this incident. At the same time, we are working through a repair plan. In addition, we are determining the appropriate steps required to return the rest of the flight test fleet to flying status.

Boeing will continue to provide updates as new understanding is gained.

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Outsourced = Cabin Fire
That's what you guys get for outsourcing.

Go back to building them all on East Marginal Way.

(Speaking of hot boxes...how about those flaming Nanos....same cause....??)
Posted by jabailo1
12th Nov 2010
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RE: Boeing's 787 Dreamliner: Simply too complex?
This is scary stuff in fly-by-wire technology. This sounds like a j-box fire. Hope it wasn't the only place for power for the pitch and rudder control servos.
If you don't have power, you'd better eject.
Posted by ITOdeed
12th Nov 2010
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RE: Boeing's 787 Dreamliner: Simply too complex?
This is what happens when you you try to cram too much into too
little space. It also indicates that cost restraints likely resulted in
the P100 panel having too little ability to maintain a cool operating
temperature.

As for the 787 being late for the expected delivery dates. That
occurs when management pushes engineering to work faster and
safe operation slows down engineering. Management needs to
learn that when it comes to a new aircraft they need to sit on their
hands, keep their mouths shut and wait until engineering
(including flight test) says its ready.
Posted by shanedr
12th Nov 2010
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RE: Boeing's 787 Dreamliner: Simply too complex?
Let's hope Boeing gets it right before the 787 goes into service.

Perhaps some of your readers will remember the fate of the deHavilland "Comet," which BOAC hoped would help it regain the lead in trans-Atlantic passengers from its American competitors.

The 1954 crash of a Comet near Elba while on a flight from Rome to London was the last of a number of mishaps and caused the UK government to withdraw the plane from service.

Pieces of that plane were covered and thoroughly examined. Another Comet was tested extensively. Those tests revealed that the plastic windows in the roof of the fuselage (below which was the apparatus that helped the pilot establish the plane's location) had screws (rivets?) too close to their edges.

They also showed that when at high altitude pressure inside the plane caused the glued (!) frame panels at or near the wings to come loose and the plane to explode from the difference in air pressure.

The deHavilland Comet was the first passenger jet and a remarkable demonstration of the prowess of the firms engineers, its fatal flaws notwithstanding.
Posted by brambeus
12th Nov 2010
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@ brambeus

Actually, the problem with the de Havilland Comet was that the windows were "square". Those squarish corners were the weak point, in that there were stressors from two different directions on those rivets. Under pressurization/depressurization cycling, the metal around those rivets fatigued and stress cracked.

As for "safe" planes, I'd go for the UB-14, or at least a jet powered version. Vincent Burnelli's designs were - still are - some of the safest designs out there.

But I think that a lot of Boeings issues with the Dreamliner do, in fact, stem from outsourcing parts manufacture to other companies. Can anyone say Toyota gas pedal? If they were to bring more of their supply line to be "in-house" they could better control quality and supply schedules.
Posted by reziol
12th Nov 2010
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One has to wonder when the outsourcing debacle in this country will end, and when we will realize that it did not work. IT outsourcing comes to mind. We did not save money. We spent less for crappy service, and touted the cost savings.
Posted by HoustonREF
12th Nov 2010
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The issue with B is they are no longer an engineering co. They moved out of SEA area, got the bean counters far away, tried every means bean's could find to cut costs, and not just on 787, but across board.

Boeing led and made good profits when an engineering co, the 737NG was a taste of future acft, it was late and as usual with B, supplier problems were root cause. Purchasing ruled, Source inspectors reported to purchasing and all, to include to much of mgmt and selected engineers, worshiped at the holy grail of "get it there on time and fix it later" AKA file to fit and paint to match attitudes. B simply has reverted to a bean counter's dream, a series of empires that are there first for mgmg promotions, second for company and lastly for products.
Only thing going for it is or now maybe was, a incredibly dedicated line type engineering force, that is overly restricted by Corp Pol infighting/empire/promotions driven mid and upper levels.They have done everything they can to cut costs and outsource, gladly giving away technology, experience and quality for paper profits. Then we now have Obama touting "USA Trade up due ot acft, and never stated that in civil end, probably mil side, around 70% or more are built with foreign assemblies, not just parts, all coming in tariff free but counted 100% when sold as "USA export". Some sold are even financed by give away USA trade bank taxpayer paid.
Now China is winding up they space/acft/military programs, single aisle's on the way and this time the infamous "708s" attempt to copy 707's. Seems USA leadership has become measured by the amount of outsource they can generate and imports their corp brings in. B will end up victim of bean counters, when China/India/Brazil make run at about last real leading USA industry left. We are ready to loose space , and next is aerospace, as China will simply ask B to build there, more then now and get 1/2 ownership, all processes and technology and as Asia has demonstrated time after time, end up owning industry. We will then be told "USA business grows in China" but not mention via NO USA jobs. Such a shame so many talented USA workers try so hard, and in end will get so little...as the "$'s Rule" and profits is now not just "Profit" it is a noun for greed to the max.
Posted by hmmmmm!
13th Nov 2010
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Boing had better get their act together. The Airbus 380 is already eating their lunch in the market....
Posted by Tinman57
13th Nov 2010
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RE: Boeing's 787 Dreamliner: Simply too complex?
C'est la r?p?tition de la tour de babel !
Posted by bjac944861@...
17th Nov 2010
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