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Next? Body scanners could be on trains, subways and boats

By | November 24, 2010, 10:44 AM PST

The invasive airport scanners have caused quite a stir recently. Security is something to think about as many of you hit the road for Thanksgiving. In the future, we might find the scanners in places like the metro.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said on Charlie Rose:

Well, I think [terrorists are] going to continue to probe the system and try to find a way through. I think the tighter we get on aviation, we have to also be thinking now about going on to mass transit or to train or maritime.

Napolitano said we actually don’t know much about terrorists, adding that:

If you ever try to divide template about what connects this terrorist to this terrorist and how they were raised and what schools they went to and their socio-economic status or this or that, it’s all over the map.

via Popular Science and The Hill

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RE: Next? Body scanners could be on trains, subways and boats
It has been explained to me by people who study history and politics that these intrusions into and abrogation of our civil and Constitutional rights have nothing to do with our safety. It is all about control, be it control of information, control of people's movements, or control of their entire lives.
By denying people's rights to use a product that they have purchased in whatever "non-profit" fashion they chose (RIAA and MPAA - I'm talking to YOU!) denies people their "fair use" rights.
By controlling what information, or by disseminating false or misleading information, those sources become suspect and can influence people to take action they would not have or do nothing when they should act.
Now, by controlling people's movements, the government has found a new way to hinder its citizens without doing anything truly effective against terrorism! They expose us to uncertain quantities of radiation by people that would not be allowed near similar equipment in a medical setting.
And, if that virtual "strip-search" isn't dangerous and degrading enough, then comes the "pawing" that, if done by anybody OTHER that the government, would see them arrested and prosecuted for sexual assault, invasion of privacy, and possibly even more.
WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE TO NOT ONLY PROTECT OURSELVES, BUT OUR COUNTRY AND WAY OF LIFE? Or do we? If we stand by and let apathy bind our hands and voices, then the terrorists have already won in that they have made us change our country into something the Founding Fathers would find unrecognizable and abhorrent.
Posted by JTF243@...
24th Nov 2010
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RE: Next? Body scanners could be on trains, subways and boats
I haven't travelled by air for about 3 months. Folks that have travelled since the "close pat downs" were started - tell us what you think. Are the new inspections making you consider passing on a trip or taking a means of travel (train or personal car) for trips that could be done by a way other than air?

If so, it's time we started telling our elected representatives that it's time to "pat down" the head of Homeland Security so they understand that their overzealous "concern" for our safety has gone to the point beyond protection and into restricting our ability to live our lives normally. Unless the DHS is willing to say we've entered into a time of war on our home soil, treating all travelling citizens as if we have is uncalled for and PLAINLY WRONG.
Posted by daves1646
24th Nov 2010
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What a stupid idea!
What about buses, supermarkets, shopping malls, hotels, bars etc etc? The only answer is to require everyone to walk around nude (in summer) or wearing transparent clothes (winter).
Posted by jonc2011
25th Nov 2010
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RE: Next? Body scanners could be on trains, subways and boats
I am considering installing a scanner at the front door of my house.
I am tired of having to pat down my wife every time we come back
from shopping.
Posted by jackvandijk
25th Nov 2010
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RE: Next? Body scanners could be on trains, subways and boats
Thank God I live in Canada!
This is outlandishly extreme and comes straight out of a science fiction novel about total citizen control. If we were to assess an individual with these attitudes, they would be classified as neurotic, even paranoid. I believe in a strong measure of public safety and protection, but it seems like the USA has a neurotic and paranoid government. I'd say it's reached 'silly'.
Posted by krot
25th Nov 2010
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RE: Next? Body scanners could be on trains, subways and boats
JTF243: These people who were talking to you? Were they green and short? Were you anywhere near Roswell, New Mexico?

These unpleasantries are brought to us by the Muslim Terrorists that have infltrated our beautiful country. Until we eliminate them we are stuck with these procedures. Perhaps we can effect some sort of social improvement in their inbreeding, marginal feeding and poor healthcare for female children that will return them to the glory of their heyday as the intellectuals of long ago centuries. Or perhaps they will overrun us. Truthfully, neither scenario seems likely to me. I think it will be smoldering war for a very long time.
Posted by IMWeira
25th Nov 2010
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RE: Next? Body scanners could be on trains, subways and boats
Jack van K; great thinking, wonder if my husband will go for it?!
Posted by IMWeira
25th Nov 2010
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RE: Next? Body scanners could be on trains, subways and boats
I think they ought to be thinking about securing the runways first. We have a case here in Massachusetts where a kid may have fallen from a plane wheel well of a flight from NC. If someone can get to a plane that easily all the scanning in the world is useless.
Posted by philwhite42@...
25th Nov 2010
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Even George Orwell would have been surprised by this
If in 1948 someone had suggested to George Orwell while he was
busy writing "1984" that he include a scene where government
agents would be inserting their hands down people's pants and
feeling up their genitals, he would have considered the notion
absurd beyond even his paranoid imagination and rejected the
notion.

On my last business trip, I got singled out for the "scan-n-pat"
treatment. The scanner doesn't bother me so much other than
the question of how much radiation I'm being bombarded with. I
was spared the "detailed" pat-down we've been hearing about.

But does get me is all the "train phreaks" who think we need to be
spending trillions on high-speed rail, mainly using the selling point
that it will be more convenient and "civil" than air travel has
become. Once the TSA expands to other modes of transport
(and like all government projects and agencies, it will expand)
train, boat, and whatever else will become just as much of a
nightmare as air travel has become.

But I do agree about one thing; that Janet Incompetano "don?t
know much about terrorists". It simply is not possible to secure
each and every "soft target" that exists in America. There doesn't
exist enough people or money to defend everything that terrorists
could possibly target. Until we decide to focus on them instead of
trying to take a defensive posture on everything, we'll continue to
lose our freedom, and this war.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
26th Nov 2010
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RE: Next? Body scanners could be on trains, subways and boats
This only affects people already in the states. What's to stop someone from bypassing the whole system by driving?
It's only a form of control and gathering intelligence on everyone. If you think they're just going to be looking at "terrorists" you're blind. These scanners are capable of saving the images and passenger information; this was just proven in Florida. 35,000 images were never erased from the same type of scanner used at the airports.
Have they come up with a better plan to keep terrorists from even getting to the US?
TSA has way over stepped its bounds and I'm not thrilled about living in a militaristic environment. America used to stand for Freedom, now we're just blind sheep getting pushed around because if you resist any of these so-called anti-terrorist measures they deem you anti-American. How is standing up for your right to freedom anti-American? If anyone thinks these measures are making us safer I think they need to re-evaluate the big picture.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin 1759.
Posted by akarnett
26th Nov 2010
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Violations of our Consttutional rights is never authorized
"These unpleasantries are brought to us by the Muslim Terrorists that have infltrated our beautiful country."

Actually, these weren't imposed on us by the Muslims; they were imposed on us by our own government. TSA was set up to insulate the government from direct lawsuits, But they still report to Congress.

The search is sexual abuse. TSA inspectors are not medical personnel examining you at your behest for your health. The x-ray scanners are not the benign machines they keep telling us they are. They are far more powerful in normal operation that they have stated; and when one of them malfunctions, it will kill more people than died in the 9/11 attacks.

Illegal search, or potentially fatal exposure to radiation, versus a nebulous chance a terrorist might try to smuggle a poison, explosive, or weapon on board with him. Most people are total ignoramouses when it comes to Risk analysis; that includes the President, our elected representatives, and TSA.
Posted by Dr_Zinj
29th Nov 2010
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RE: Next? Body scanners could be on trains, subways and boats
I imagine that the scanners will help with population control. All that radiation probably lowers the sperm count and fries a few eggs too. Maybe that was the intent all along.
Posted by ds4211a@...
29th Nov 2010
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RE: Next? Body scanners could be on trains, subways and boats
We can install all the body scanners we want to in public transportation, inconveniencing our populace, and insulting their privacy (in some cases, the governments extends a "right to privacy" but evidently that only applies to abortions...). but as long as terrorists load vans full of explosives and drive them to public places, it won't do much good.

Hey, jackvandijk, if you need someone to pat down your wife, call me.
Posted by bb_apptix
29th Nov 2010
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RE: Next? Body scanners could be on trains, subways and boats
Wow, this is an interesting way to assume communist control of the USA. I wonder when we'll have to start carrying our papers with us or when the government will start assigning us to our jobs? If only things were as rosy as George Orwell made them sound...
Posted by spoonology@...
29th Nov 2010
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RE: Next? Body scanners could be on trains, subways and boats
I have gone through the earlier scanners and on my last flight I went through the newest 'electronic strip search' along with the 'TSA fondling' (I didn't remove my wrist watch so the TSA agent decided to look everywhere). I am seriously looking at purchasing my own plane after this experience and skipping commercial air permanently.

The problem is that we have a large number of untrained people trying to look for the wrong things. You cannot find all of the weapons because anything can be used as a weapon. What smart countries do is to look for terrorists - a task that is really much simpler but far less fun for corporate entities because it requires less technology and smarter people. The average TSA agent is not highly trained to find anything other than the small item they are looking at (forged documents, x-ray scanner, etc). Asking proper questions and interpreting the answers allows an agent to find the terrorists without unduly inconveniencing the vast majority of the travelling public. If anyone doubts the viability of this method then consider that there hasn't been a successful highjacking in Israel in over 40 years.

I have said for years that you cannot govern or manage through fear and the TSA is living proof that this is true.
Posted by dennis.rhine@...
30th Nov 2010
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