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Obamacare growing more popular with time

By | July 30, 2010, 7:42 AM PDT

If Republicans are betting Obamacare will sweep them into power this November, they may be in for a surprise.

The latest Kaiser tracking poll on health reform now shows a 50-35 spread between approval and disapproval, up from a 46-41 spread in April, when the legislation was fresh.

A look inside the numbers shows 27% still want the law repealed, with the country now equally split among those who think it makes their family better off, worse off, or makes no difference. That’s close to the figures found when the law was signed. Negative views of it spiked in June to 39%.

What seems to be happening is that people who are told to hate the law by people they trust do continue to hate it, while distance in time is mellowing opposition among others. Some 69% of Republicans remain opposed, 53% of them fiercely so, but independents now split 48-37 in favor.

There remains room for improvement based on information, the poll shows. Some 36% of seniors still believe the “death panel” myth and 45% believe it will weaken the Medicare trust fund — in fact it extends its life to 2019.

The figures are similar to those in a National Council on Aging poll released earlier this week, showing most seniors remain in the dark about the law’s provisions. Other polls show that confusion over provisions to be general.

What those figures mean is that effective communication from government officials, detailing what the law does and does not do, may be more effective than any political communication on the issue. At least among those willing to listen to government communication.

When the law was first passed, Democrats predicted approval would increase over time, focusing on popular provisions going into effect quickly. Republicans have succeeded in keeping the issue alive among their base, however, and Democrats have generally gone silent.

The next data point on all this will come next week, when Missouri voters are expected to approve a ballot measure during party primaries condemning the law’s provision mandating the purchase of insurance coverage. Turnout for the primary is projected at 24%. Most of the contested primaries are on the Republican side.

(My own view of politics is the elections are still about the economy, stupid. Specifically, unemployment and jobless claims. But I digress.)

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RE: Obamacare growing more popular with time
Give me a break it hasn't even been in use yet so it is out of sight and mind for now. Oh yes and wait till we see how much it is going to hurt the deficeit as well as our wallets. People are overwhelmed just trying to keep up with all the government control legislation and policies Obama is ramming or trying ram down our throats! Jobs, the economy, financial reform (takeover), immigration, scandals, racial accusations everywhere (there's hope and change you can believe in) and yes Obamacare...take your pick they are each full time jobs ! Obama did not rise out of the Chcago political cesspool squeaky clean, he did not befriend his mentor, sit in his racist, biggotted church for 20 years and not know what Wright was all about...took the rest of us 20 seconds AND Obamas policies do not have the the American people, thier health, or the constitution in mind. Your poll data is means nothing right now.
Posted by JonhsMan
30th Jul 2010
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RE: Obamacare growing more popular with time
My first try was not posted because of an error and I lost it all, I will try to recreate it.
We simply cannot afford it. The government cannot continue to do everything for everyone without a massive tax increase on everyone.
Two quotes come to mind when we talk about these types of things. Forget about the morality or reasoning, etc. behind "ObamaCare" there is no money for it, there will have to be rationing of healthcare, whether it is the form of "death panels" or rationing of care and prescription drugs, there has to be cuts somewhere.
The first quote is from Frederic Bastiat from 200 years ago nearly: "Everybody wishes to live at the expense of the state, but they forget the state lives at the expense of everybody." and the other which is sometimes attributed to Thomas Jefferson (it hasn't been proven to be his) "A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have." If we don't heed these, then we are in big trouble. The government CANNOT do eveything for everyone. We have to take responsibility for our own lives!
Posted by dhays
30th Jul 2010
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RE: Obamacare growing more popular with time
For crying out loud- discuss the issue and quit the political diatribe. We know Republicans hate Obama, and would hate apple pie if he proposed having it for dessert. If you have a better fix for what was a disastrously flawed healthcare system, propose it and work for its passage.
Posted by mborcherding
30th Jul 2010
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RE: Obamacare growing more popular with time
What does this have to do with the topics you cover. Or was this just a commercial for Health Care.
Posted by jimmartin@...
30th Jul 2010
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RE: Obamacare growing more popular with time
mborcherding,
First Obamacare is not health reform. There is very little if any reform in it. It is more accuraly, Universal Health Care. Now am I opposed to Universal Health Care. No, but I am opposed to Obamacare. With Obamacare I will be force to pay for someone who doesn't want to work or can't work (about 50/50) to pick what ever doctor they wich to receive health care. This I don't like.

If you want Universal Health Care, first call it that not reform, and second set up a network of government owned and staffed Health Care Clinics. With a varaible copay based on your tax return net taxable income. In addition, make every emergcy room in every hospitable part of this system, not part of the hospital. Have it run just like the military hospitals on base years ago.

If you want to pick your own doc. Pay for insurance like everyone else. If you don't wish to pay, then go to the copay clinic.
Posted by joseph.like@...
30th Jul 2010
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Written like a true Propagandist
Did you feel a tingle running down your leg when you wrote this piece of blatant propaganda? You should have.

Forcing people, coercing people to buy something at the point of a gun... which is what Demoratcare does, is wrong.

What's next? Are they going to force everyone to buy a Mopar or GM product?

Maybe force everyone to buy a subscription to the NY Times, Washington Post, and other "news" papers (editorializing stories rather than reporting news).

This post of yours and attitude of apologizing and cheer-leading the stealing of my rights disgusts me thoroughly.
Posted by Albee_Freeoneday
30th Jul 2010
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******** Republicans are 33% of the population. A few of them just
posted right before me.

If the choice is me-first what about my rights vs healthcare for all. I
think healthcare for all wins. It is just more friendly. happy
Posted by spatial11
30th Jul 2010
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So sick of the BS!
I do wish some of you would stop thinking in sound bites.

Nothing that has been passed by this administration has actually been "rammed" at all. It's circular logic to withold an entire party's votes from an issue then claim that it is partisan since only one party voted for it!

For those who feel it's wrong that the government is " forcing" you to purchase health insurance, I suppose you don't own a car since most states "force" you to carry at least liability insurance. The logic is the same. As long as hospitals are forced to accept anyone that enters the ER everyone should have insurance.

Where was the outcry when the writ of habeous corpus was repealed?? You're being a bit on the selective side.
Posted by harrim47
30th Jul 2010
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RE: Obamacare growing more popular with time
What fools these Republicans be. They cannot stand facts not to their liking. Sad!
Posted by billschr@...
30th Jul 2010
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Blatant propoganda (I will be writing a complaint to SmartPlanet)
Dana Blankenhorn, you have deliberately abused your journalistic position in order to further your own political ideology. This is not something a science journalist (or at least a journalist not working for CNBC or FOX) has the luxury of.

There's nothing more aggravating then propaganda masquerading as journalism. You selected survey results from a left-ward leaning think tank, disregard the fact that the selling of the bill Obama and Co. are doing amounts to blatant lying about both the ObamaCare bill and how it will be executed, and inserted speculation and opinion, "What seems to be happening is that people who are told to hate the law by people they trust do continue to hate it, while distance in time is mellowing opposition among others." On this last point liberals like you, Dana, have been lying to themselves and each other for quite some time. This is such a hot-button issue that it's impossible for people have their opinion influenced much (or at all) by others that they know and "trust." I hate and LOATHE ObamaCare (yes, even though I'm poor and would get the good end of the stick under its provisions--I still don't want anything to do with it), and I'm surrounded by others who largely hate and loathe ObamaCare. We all hated it from the beginning, as it runs directly against our deeply held convictions about the role of government (stay the heck out of my life as much as possible), personal responsibility (yep, people should buy their own healthcare. Period. If they can't afford it they can do what I'm doing--go to college, get a better job, reorder their priorities).

Liberals like you, Dana, don't understand that there really are people out there like me who don't want whatever "grand" plan the government has come up with to make life better, more green, more equal . . . whatever.

When I submit my complaint to SmartPlanet, I will inform them that I will never read another Dana Blankenhorn article again, and that they might consider replacing you with a better sense of journalistic integrity. If you want to express your opinions on such matters, you have the right to do so, but just not here: where I rely on SmartPlanet to provide unbiased discussion of various topics: science, healthcare, energy, "green" stuff, technology, etc. Start a political blog of your own, start your own liberal TV show, whatever. Just don't ruin my ability to enjoy SmartPlanet.

p.s. Look for Obamacare to become even more unpopular when it's implemented, as taxes rise, care is rationed, doctors close their offices to new patients, punitive penalties kick in for those who don't have "adequate care," and the economy plunges even deeper into recession (caused by increased costs of employing labor: businesses won't hire new workers when each one represents much greater cost than in the past, taxes smother GDP growth, and government spending has been associated with reductions in GDP: recently a paper estimated that each dollar of government spending decreases GDP by $3.40. Ouch. And Obamacare will cost MANY dollars.).
Posted by laughfactory
30th Jul 2010
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@harrim47
Um, the car insurance argument is all washed up, my friend.

Your logic is fundamentally flawed. See, your assumption is that people have to drive, and thus car insurance is the same thing as requiring health insurance--since, of course, people have to live.

However, the truth is that if someone does not want to purchase car insurance, they have that choice, they just won't be able to drive. Also, this situation is morally appropriate because the insurance a driver is required to have protects drivers of OTHER cars. Yes, you can purchase protection for yourself ("full coverage") but you're only required to have liability insurance which protects those you might hit.

Health insurance isn't remotely the same. Since what we eat, drink, and do (exercise, fishing, playing games, reading...) does not effect in a negative, hurtful, costly way those around us--there is NO moral imperative to require us to insure ourselves. Whereas the required liability insurance protects OTHERS, the requirement for everyone to have medical insurance only protects OURSELVES. This is what makes the Obamacare law, and all other health care laws like them morally repugnant: those individuals behind such pieces of legislation have opted to use their position of power to determine what is the "right" way for citizens to live, and then mandated that all citizens should now live that way (in this case, purchase insurance).

Stop using the car insurance argument, claiming the logic is the same, because you just look foolish when the inherent differences are apparent to anyone with any capacity for analysis.

Simply put, Obamacare is the government attempting to fix hundreds of millions of American lives simply because they feel that it is their right to do so . . . and taking away our right to choose for ourselves in the process. Obamacare establishes the precedent for the government to begin limiting which foods we can eat, which activities are appropriate (exercise = good, video gaming = bad), who we can marry and how many children we can have . . . all in the name of making better decisions for everyone since they obviously lack the wisdom and will to make their own good decisions.
Posted by laughfactory
30th Jul 2010
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Tufts just raised rates 15%
They stated it was needed to cover the costs for meeting Obama care mandated coverages.

It is happening just as the CBO and many others predicted would happen.
Posted by Hates Idiots
30th Jul 2010
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laughfactory
I tried to be very careful and simply deliver facts on this. The Kaiser
poll shows increased acceptance of the package that passed. So do
the other surveys cited.

If you're going to say no one can write anything whose facts
disagree with your political point of view, that's fine. But closing your
mind won't change things on the ground.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
30th Jul 2010
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@laughfactory
You obviously know very little of insurance of the healthcare industry or you would realize that the logic is there.

The moral imperative is the same for health care just as it is for car insurance. Just who do you think pays for all of those using the ER as their personal physician? That is a cost born by everyone else who has insurance. Now I guess that if you wanted to truly be a moral person and were gravely ill without insurance you could choose to not be healed.... That is not really going to happen very often if at all. Only the truly foolish people think they can forsee the future (I'm perfectly health now so why bother with health insurance?)
The rest of your diatribe lost me as soon as you said "Simply put". Trying to put a very complex problem in "simple" terms is a guarantee for illogic.
Where was you outrage of lost rights 8 years ago?
Posted by harrim47
30th Jul 2010
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Politics aside, use some common sense. We who work for a living should not have to pay to support those who insist someone owes them something. I can choose to help those truly in need in my own community, but I detest being forced to pay for entitlements for those who are able but not wiling to fend for themselves. Or Mr. Blankenhorn, if you wish to help those less fortunate than yourself, please write me a check.
Posted by swcook6
30th Jul 2010
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Hates Idiots
Uh, no. Tufts has done nothing regarding Obamacare. You're
talking about Massachusetts' plan, which has been in place since
2006 And your source is not Tufts, but a right-wing blog called
HotAir quoting a Wall Street Journal opinion piece.

They have this thing called the Internet. It lets you check things.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
30th Jul 2010
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What a load of #$@&#
It has nothing to do with healthcare and everything to do with control of the people. I didn't realize there were so many completely clueless people in the US! You should have to PAY taxes in order to vote!!
Posted by law_n_disorder
30th Jul 2010
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Facts are what facts are
Americans currently pay 17% of GDP for health care and our
outcomes are on a par with Cuba.

The plan that passed is most similar to that of the Netherlands,
where people get much better care than we do at present, and
pay much less.

The polls indicate opposition is still high for the plan among
Republicans, who get all their news from Republican sources,
and I think the discussion thread here bears that out.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
30th Jul 2010
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swcook6
I think your note gets to the heart of the matter. But please
explain to those over 65, those who have served in our armed
forces, and the poor why they should die because it's politically
convenient to you.

If all "entitlements" are "theft," then Medicare should not exist,
and neither should the VA, nor Medicaid. Nor that matter should
Social Security. Or public education for that matter.

If that's your position, I admire your consistency. But everyone
over 65 would then need to understand you, and those you
support, will cut off their health care. You will have government
interfere with their Medicare by removing it from them, leaving
them to the mercies of the private market.

The train you worry about left the station many decades ago.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
30th Jul 2010
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RE: Obamacare growing more popular with time
Oh Dana,

My healthcare has gone up 35% this year, and the coverage is
slightly less, DIRECTLY attributable to Obamacare.

Incompetent legislation, from an incompetent 'leader.'
He appointed another moron to run it.

If his amnesty plan succeeds, it will crush the system.

http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/17260182/1610997888/name/ftc-
vi26.wmv

Pull your head out Dana, it's time to wake up.
Posted by durkn
30th Jul 2010
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I am persuaded that the only reason for this piece of nonsense is to get multiple responses. Does your paycheck depend upon the popularity measured by numbers of responders by any chance?

No one who ever opposed Obamacare is now for it. Few who were for Obamacare are now against it.

When these numbers change, you may depend upon it, there will be fewer, not more supporting this monstrosity.
Posted by iouzero
30th Jul 2010
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RE: Obamacare growing more popular with time
You, sir, have obviously never lived in the Netherlands. I have lived in Sweden which has a similar system, and yes, health care is free. That's where the good part ends. Long, LONG waits for care, including determining by age whether particular procedures should be undertaken. Sounds like Death Panels? Well, could be. If you are deemed to be "too old" or "too sick" to risk spending the time and money for what could be a life-saving procedure, then you can't get it. Simple as that. No, the panel doesn't kill you, but not getting the procedure might.

Funny how you also forget to mention the other things that have been "discovered" since the law was passed. That the CBO has had to revise their original estimate of cost- and raised it considerably to a level we can not afford. How it has been found that there are requirements of coverage for private insurers that will cost them more money, but, just like in the MA plan, they will not be allowed to raise rates. What do you think will happen to companies that have to take in less revenue and spend more money? It's called bankrupcy. At best, you would see massive layoffs. When that happens, I'm sure the white nights in government will be happy to offer all of us the government plan, and then it truly will be single-payer, universal care.

I lived in Sweden, I am living it to a smaller degree here in Massachusetts, and trust me- it will do no good for ANYONE in this nation. Even those currently scamming the system for free care will only have less system to scam under this plan.

And, by the way, yes, you may have been quoting facts. Just awfully convenient how you were able to ignore a bevy of other "facts" about this bill that do not support your obvious belief in Obamacare. No worries- I have lived in the former Soviet Union, and remember how those people felt about how they lived. Hope all of us here figure it out sooner than it took for them to gain their freedom. I never did like waiting in those lines... I don't think you will either.
Posted by morgansm1
30th Jul 2010
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socialism lost many moons ago and it will fade with age.
Posted by dhensley@...
30th Jul 2010
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Not REAL reform!
Sorry, but requiring everyone to buy insurance is in no way a reformation of the system.

The distinction has never been made between health INSURANCE and health CARE. They are not the same. Health INSURANCE is just the crappy way in which we, as a society, have come to pay for health CARE.

Medicare purchases health CARE with about a 5% loss to administration while the insurance industry removes about 30% for profit and administration. Which one is the better deal? Bureaucrat 'A' at a 5% markup or bureaucrat 'B' at a 30% markup?

Anytime a Wall Street investor gets some of what you pay for health CARE, you are not getting your money's worth, my friend. That's just wrong.

If the Democrats had stuck to their guns and demanded 'Medicare for All' (as the crusade began) the US could have joined the rest of the civilized world in guaranteeing at least a basic level of health CARE for 'We the People'.

Instead, we ended up with this convoluted bag of dung that merely entrenches the status quo and continues the greed. It might be noted that ALL health INSURANCE stocks have risen dramatically since the passage of Obamacare.

And another untold point...why was the story never brought out about the incredible economic disadvantage US industry is at, worldwide, due to the onerous insurance costs shouldered by every business offering benefits? Most companies estimate insurance costs to be around 20-30% of total employee compensation. An employee in Canada is automatically 20% cheaper, even if he earns the same hourly wage. Still a big mystery about why there are so many Chrysler & GM plants just over the border?

The sooner 'We the People' decide it's just the right thing to do, i.e. 'Take care of We the People', get insurance companies out of the picture and discontinue this headlong march to third-world status, the better 'We the People' will fare in the global economy.
Posted by becksdark
30th Jul 2010
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among idiots, imbecils and freeloaders.
Socialist crap doesn't work, proved by the "success" of glorious Soviet Union. Why don't liberals getit!
Posted by Tesla's Spark
30th Jul 2010
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Debate
It seems the argument against having better coverage is that those who can't work will benefit more than those who do work. Another point is that extending health benefits costs too much.

The better argument for more and better coverage for all is that sickness and death effects everyone. In the event of an epidemic more people will need care to prevent further spread to other people. It is self interest to make sure that the people around you are healthy and not being carriers or sufferers of preventable diseases.

If the status quo healthcare had continued there would be more people without any insurance and the premiums of the remaining insured would rise faster forcing more people out of the insurance pools. The incoming health plan is not perfect, it would be better to improve it than to go back to the system that was failing more people than it helped.

The health care debate should have been about what is the minimal level of healthcare for everyone and not how to give everyone the highest level of care. Prevention saves more money than doing nothing and hoping that your current health needs won't change in your whole lifetime.

How we treat the most vulnerable of our citizens is a good clue about our core values. If we let them die of neglect then we have no claim to be a highly civilized or even respectable culture. We spend more money to kill people than we do to heal them.
Posted by sboverie
30th Jul 2010
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Dear Mr. laughfactory,

Sir, you are a disgrace to the human race. No, I do not know you except through your incoherent rant. And from that sir I draw my conclusion.

(1) Please write to Smart Planet and please include a copy of this rant with your complaint. I suspect there will be 10:1 letters in support of Mr. Blankenhorn.

(2) If you are going to disparge a thing, please have the courtesy to use its correct nomenclature so others will know what you are ranting and raving about.

(3) There appear to be people out there (whatever name you want to give them) that only want the government to set up CASE accounts for foreign war making, or spending trillion of dollars fighting the same, and thats good government. Also they have never seen a corporate welfare program that they do not support. But, God help us, if we spend a few dollars to help our countrymen--this is outlandish and the world should end immediately. And, if a Black President is doing this, what a travesty. When God judge me, I will be glad that I was on the side of helping my countrymen, rather than on the side of making war.

(4) Your leaving this blog would be a blessing for the rest of us. I'm sure Mr. Blankenhorn is praying for a swift exit.

(5) Here is some good advice I heard once: " The perfect substitution for brains is silence."
Posted by windozefreak
30th Jul 2010
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Straight from the Tufts rep o clueless one...
Dana.. I just got my bill for 2011. Sit down and shutup.

You have no clue what has happened in Mass.

I was seeing 2 and 3 % increases per year until Romney, yes a Republican governor working with a Democrat controlled legislature, set forth the first round of government mandated health care coverage. Since then I have seen 20% increase EVERY YEAR until last year. Last year was a 9% increase.

Round 2 with Obama care brought on more mandated coverage, including the sick kids provision which kicks in this year. A worthy, but costly item, to be spread across all rate payers. BY LAW. Another 22% increase comes with it.

Get a clue Dana.
Posted by Hates Idiots
30th Jul 2010
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In case you have not read this on your glorious Internet?
The local left leaning media have tried like mad to bury this story.

6 Massachusetts hospitals are suing the state because they have not been paid the money they are owed for providing free health care in accordance with the state law. The state is broke for its reform. over 30% of the state budget goes for healthcare. It used to be 10%.

It has become such a hostile place to work that 45,000 doctors have retired or moved out of state in 3 years and have not been replaced.

I had to wait 6 weeks for a simple Echocardiogram after having a heart scare. You have no clue what the country is in for with the bulk of Obamacare built on the Massachusetts model.
Posted by Hates Idiots
30th Jul 2010
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Time for the USA to Split Up
For those of you who believe it is morally right to take forcibly or coerce from others, you should live in your own country.

For those who feel it is morally wrong to force someone to give up their property, they should live in another one. Let's see how many businesses, and people move to which country?

What will you who want to steal (forcibly take) property from those who have it and redistribute it to someone withe less, when those that produce leave?

If you feel it is really that important to have health insurance for people, why don't you take a second, or third or fourth job, and use that money to pay for someone else's health care, or food, or rent, or mortgage, or whatever your bleeding heart desires.

And for the record, I am a Libertarian. Just leave me alone to do as I please, and you do as you please, as long as I am not infringing on another person, or stealing their property.
Posted by Albee_Freeoneday
30th Jul 2010
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We don't get extra for comments
iouzero -- While Smartplanet does offer some bonuses for traffic,
we get no extra credit for comments.

There are gradual shifts in public opinion regarding health care
issues, and there were massive changes last year when the
media began arguing against any reform.

This Kaiser survey may be right that there has been a significant
shift in the last few months, or it may be wrong. But I thought it
was worth reporting on.

The spluttering that reforms which have taken hold in nearly
every other country won't work here are a belief in American
exceptionalism, but I don't know what kind.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
30th Jul 2010
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American Exceptionalism?
I would say that the thought "it won't work here" has to do with
more than just that, if it even has to do with that. We see that it
works very few times, and we see the downsides. We see the
system getting trimmed all the time in countries where it is (2009,
people in the UK were denied CANCER MEDICATION because
there wasn't enough money for it, more cuts this year). We hear
all the time about the long lines, the deficits, and so forth.

We don't think it will work here because it barely works anywhere,
and it doesn't work for a long period of time. We want real reform,
not this.
Posted by Michael Alan Goff
30th Jul 2010
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This is just another democratic step to take control of everything that should be left to the private sector.
Posted by ldsanders2807
30th Jul 2010
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Wow! Hard to believe all that rhetoric.
If any of you think that you elect a government to take care of
business,please move to the far right,
If you elect a government to take care of the populace, please
move to the far left.
If you elect a government to take care of the voters, welcome to
democracy.
Just taking care of business leads to corruption, since believe it
or not, they (business)are not the voters. But they like to fear-
monger people into believing that the 'socialist hordes' are trying
to break down the doors.
Those of you that are stupid enough to believe that, don't have a
clue what socialism is.
Posted by cochraness
30th Jul 2010
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your president will make you pay for someone's health care.

That is socialism. plain fact.
Posted by greg22346@...
30th Jul 2010
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Maybe it would be more accurate to say that ...
... people become more readily resigned to their fate when you inch them toward it, candy coat it, delay the full implications of it,... kinda like Jews in 1936 Germany.

Then, one day, the box-cars arrive.
Posted by Gaius_Maximus
30th Jul 2010
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RE: Obamacare growing more popular with time
I guess greg22346@, that we are all socialists, since we all 'share'
the costs of many other things. Not the least of which is Social
Security. But then, you probably don't/won't partake of any of the
other 'social' benefits that we all contribute to. Just remember that
you have been 'set-up' by the fear mongers.
Posted by cochraness
30th Jul 2010
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goff256
British Conservatives ran for office this year on an explicit
promise not to wreck their National Health Service. Canadian
Conservatives are acting the same way about their national
health plan. No European country is backing away from its
commitments to universal health care.

All the countries mentioned have better outcomes than we do,
and pay from 40-60% less of their GDP than we do in the
process.

No, the facts are simply not on your side. There are complaints.
No system is perfect. But other systems work better than ours, for
many reasons, some of which are addressed by health reform.
And some of which weren't because of conservative opposition.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
30th Jul 2010
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Gaius_Maximus, greg22346@...
Please. Name-calling is not argument. Calling something
"socialism" doesn't make it socialism. Calling someone a Nazi
does not make them a Nazi.

If Republicans can't do any better than that this fall they are
going to lose. Americans don't go for that kind of stuff. Trust me.
It was Democrats who were angriest in 2002, and 2004. They
lost, partly due to their anger, which blinded them to the need to
articulate a comprehensive alternative policy.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
30th Jul 2010
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RE: Obamacare growing more popular with time
If this government power-grab were so popular, why aren't more politicians for it? Even some of the democrats are NOT in favor of it.
Then, there was a news story today about the National Health Service in the UK. It that they are disillusioned with its effectiveness and are investigating alternatives.
Maybe we should too, before it is too late.
Posted by JTF243@...
30th Jul 2010
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RE: Obamacare growing more popular with time
Dana is a wannabe socialist masquerading as an intellectual
journalist. His biased education apparently convinced him that the
world is flawed and he and his friends can correct it; ust like Marx, or
Hitler. The problem is they are wrong. It has never worked; it saps
mans inventiveness; it deadens his soul.

I hope you get what you want Dana. Just keep your demented plans
out of my life. You deserve what you will reap... I don't
Posted by chasas@...
30th Jul 2010
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RE: Obamacare growing more popular with time
All insurance is socialism, where the many pay for the few of whom
you could be one.
If you object to insurance avoid it. When you get sick or have a
disabling or potentially fatal accident/desease you can decide not to
receive medical treatment.
If you decide to receive medical treatment, pay for it out of your own
pocket.
If you can't afford to pay, that's just tough sh*t.
Posted by kwickset@...
30th Jul 2010
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JTF243@..
The Conservative government of England is devolving power in
the NHS to local hospital groups in hopes of improving it. The
system is staying the same in Scotland and elsewhere in the UK.
This is not being done to destroy the system, the government
insists, but to improve it. There is no sizable opposition to the
NHS.

In an off-year election there's an assumption that the louder
voices will trump the quiet ones, so politicians gravitate to what
the louder voices are saying. But when the louder voices get too
loud, they can create a backlash. See 1998. We shall see what
happens here.

You are correct that the only polls which count in our system are
elections.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
31st Jul 2010
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chasas@...
As I noted earlier in this thread, name-calling is ineffective.
Comparing me to both Marx and Hitler in a single post is
interesting -- but you also say I'm just a" wannabe socialist".
Which is it?

The Kaiser poll has been publicized by many, many journalism
outlets, with similar headlines to mine. Is anyone who dares report
this story a "wannabe socialist," akin to "Marx and Hitler?"

When people attempt to dehumanize others with name-calling,
who is the enemy of democracy? Is democracy only good when
the government does what you want it to? That's not democracy -
- it's the dictatorship of the chasas-eriat.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
31st Jul 2010
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Too many haters
Its amazing to see how much energy people put into hating.

Instead of ranting on about how much you hate something and oppose it, why not try to help improve it by offering suggestions. Instead of hoping something will fail (which would affect us all), hope that it will succeed and try to do your part to support and improve it so that it will succeed. Hoping that it will fail will only hurt us all. If we would all post about how we could make it better, it would make for much more interesting and productive reading.

Dana, I admire your determination to reply to most of these people. I was about to stop reading the comments early on until I saw your replies in the thread.

People, I'm not a christian, but for those of you who are: why must you hate so much? The more I see all this hate from republicans who seem to be christian by majority, the more christianity scares me.

And lastly, I will not state my opinion on hating or loving obamacare, I just hope it improves over time so that it will work for the American people. I do NOT wish for it to fail.
Posted by chazz422
31st Jul 2010
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chazz422
Thanks for writing again.

My main point to those with hate is that it's counter-productive to
their cause. If you want to address issues, address issues. Don't
address me, or the President. Address the issues.

Fierce opponents of this law call it tyranny. It's not, by definition. It
can be overturned by a subsequent legislature, and I applaud the
idea of political action against it.

But those who would undertake political action against this law
must also understand there are counter-arguments, just as there
have been counter-arguments throughout this debate, and that if
they wish to engage in that debate only through polemics or
dehumanization of those who disagree they just hurt their own
cause.

This was true 40 years ago for the Far Left. It's just as true today.
Americans, by and large, are a moderate and tolerant people.
When we make mistakes, when we go overboard, we adjust. So it
behooves those who don't like the policy of the moment to accept
that reality.

I know a lot of Democrats who hated George W.Bush. Hated him
with a passion. You know what got him re-elected? That hate.

One would think a lesson could be learned from that. You can
salute the office even if you despise the incumbent. And it's not
tyranny if it's the will of the people.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
31st Jul 2010
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Hey, Dana, according to a more reliable pollster, you are wrong. Again!!
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 58% of voters favor repeal, including 48% who Strongly Favor it. Thirty-seven percent (37%) are opposed to repeal, with 28% who are Strongly Opposed.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law

Crap is still crap, no matter how long it's being pushed. And the people keep saying so, no matter how much you would like to continue lying about it.
Posted by adornoe@...
31st Jul 2010
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Adornoe
You funny. You don't know Rasmussen's record, or his modus
operandi? He routinely issues "polls" months before an election
to tilt the narrative, then either stops or comes up with completely
different (more accurate) results two weeks before the election.

I will grant you this. The poll that really counts is in November. I
hope those who aren't losing their insurance coverage because
they have a "pre-existing condition" (they need it) or having their
college-age kids lose all coverage after age 18 remember, as I'm
certain you will.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
31st Jul 2010
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Hey, Dana, being in denial is not going to win the argument for you.
Rasmussen has been the most accurate pollster in predicting elections and in predicting how people feel about the issues.

It's funny how you want to pick apart the Rasmussen polls yet you want to assign any kind of credibility to a virtually unknown pollster. Picking and choosing the one that reflects how you feel is not the true answer to how the people at large feel about an issue, especially when it comes to healthcare.

Back before the 2006 and 2008 elections, Rasmussen was out ahead of the game and predicting huge election gains for the democrats, and he turned out to be correct, and the democrats paid close attention to the polls conducted by Rasmussen because his polls seemed to be favoring them. But, now that Rasmussen is predicting losses for the democrats and a highly unfavorable rating for the healthcare bill, you and the democrats want to either ignore or demonize him.

The fact is that, Rasmussen has proven to be the most accurate pollster around and the most respected. Denying the facts is not the way that a "reporter" or blogger should go about his business. Picking and choosing the polls you like in order to try to negate the total facts on the ground is not the way to report respectably. I'll bet that if some democratic party committe conducted their own poll on the healthcare bill, that they could come up with some 70-80% approval for the bill, and that you'd then go out happily the next morning, joyously touting the the results of the poll and the wisdon of the people who conducted the poll and the intelligence of the people who were polled. You can't have it both ways. You are too highly biased to be reporting on any topic. You have no credibility and people should understand where you're coming from before they bother to read anything you have to say.
Posted by adornoe@...
1st Aug 2010
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RE: Obamacare growing more popular with time
Have any of you actually read the bill/law and, more importantly, understood what it says? Probably not, just spouting your party's company line. Think for yourselves people.
Posted by cfmack69
1st Aug 2010
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In fact, it's now so popular...
...that the interest groups that fought to get it passed are now
working diligently to back away from the promises they made to get
it passed, like it would reduce cost or the deficit:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41271.html
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
25th Aug 2010
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