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Flu shots for everyone and for medical pros make it mandatory

By | September 1, 2010, 10:01 AM PDT

Should your doctor be forced to get the flu shot or lose their job?

Experts think so.

The word expert is not political. The experts in question are the Infectious Disease Society of America and the Society for Healthcare Epidemiology of America.

Both groups signed off on a press release yesterday saying, in effect, that unless a medical professional has a medical reason for not getting the flu shot, refusal should be grounds for dismissal. Or not hiring you at all.

Harsh and, maybe, necessary. The CDC last spring found 38.1% of health care providers did not get the flu shot last year, and two-thirds refused protection against H1N1. Last year saw a record high for medical personnel vaccinations.

IDSA president Dr. Richard Whitley put it pretty bluntly:

“Vaccination of health care personnel saves patients’ lives and reduces illness. It also protects the individual worker from falling ill during influenza outbreaks and from missing work, which further impacts patient care.”

There are already moves afoot in the direction of mandating shots, the Los Angeles Times reports. SHEA President Dr. Neil Fishman says most of the opposition is much ado about nothing:

“I think there’s a vocal minority that have protested, but if you look around the country, very few people have actually ended up losing their jobs over the policy [where it exists]. I think generally what I’ve seen is the policy is well accepted.”

In other words, people scream bloody murder until the policy is before them, and then they go along. A Seattle medical center that made shots mandatory starting in 2005 got a 98% compliance rate.

Oh, and this year they’re not just after your doctor. They’re after you, too. The CDC says it has enough vaccine this year for everyone, so everyone should get the shot. The only exceptions are those under six months of age and those with egg allergies.

It’s just one shot — the H1N1 strain is now established enough to be incorporated into the single shot.

Vaccine opponents have not yet spoken up, but they seem to be under increased legal pressure worldwide. The most recent post at vaccine opponent Barbara Loe Fisher’s blog is dated August 5, and involves pertussis and whooping cough vaccines, not the flu.

The most recent post by Dr. Joseph Mercola, another noted vaccine opponent, involves microwave ovens, not vaccines. Neither Dr. Kent Holtorf, who last year told Fox the vaccine was “more dangerous than swine flu,”  nor Dr. Lawrence Palevsky, who issued a video call against vaccinations last year, had commented as this was written.

The striking of MMR vaccine opponent Dr. Andrew Wakefield from the medical register in England should be unrelated, but it’s possible it has had a chilling effect.

Not all the news on this front is good. CBS reports that GlaxoSmithKline is being investigated in Europe for possible problems with their swine flu vaccine, Pandemrix. The European regulators’ release on the investigation emphasizes that nothing has been proven.

So is the flu vaccine controversy over? Let’s see in the comments.

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RE: Flu shots for everyone and for medical pros make it mandatory
Your article is interesting. I think there are many other related topics (not stated) that will need to be figured out at some point. I realize the intent your article was not to cover such but just the same........if this is to be mandatory/common practice. - will (more)insurance companies start picking up part of the cost? Could it be added to yearly "wellness" visits. Will all JR High and High school age kids be required to get one every year or not be allowed to go? -- like with younger kids and vaccinations. And this is just the beginning. Opening a can of regulation worms. I think it is good to get it all sorted out - I just wonder.
Posted by llandau@...
2nd Sep 2010
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llandau@...
Given the cost savings insurers get when their patients are
immunized, there is a real incentive for covering the service.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
2nd Sep 2010
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RE: Who has the right over your body, you or a corporation?
Of course if your doctor is unwilling to take it and he is not affected so why should we? So the corporations want to make it mandatory so that the media lackeys of these multinationals can say its mandatory for them, why not take it or it should be mandatory for the rest.

Whether there was a swine flue pandemic last year or not or whether the vaccines caused damage or not, although it has been proven over the last 60 years that they do and did last year, if it is some people regardless if you label them doctors, engineers or simply humans chose to express their God given free will and not receive a vaccine then they will be the ones affected and supposedly not those vaccinated. So what is the problem for those who chose to be vaccinated? At least in the future there will be progressively less resistance to vaccination due to the no camps higher mortality rate, no?

If people in corporations?? are allowed to sell junk food and unhealthy fast food then why should the right to choose be taken away if it that choice allows people to avoid such ill health or if it only harms those that make that choice to take?

Perhaps another agenda afoot? Corporations are concerned for their financial health not the health or rights of people outside their cooperate spear.

Why doesn?t ?SmartPlant? present articles from those governments, doctors and lab test which indicate the ill effects of some vaccinations such as those used "against" the swine flu or the disproportionate power of corporations? which produce vaccines over a nationals to affect policy change even if it is against the will of the people? Perhaps CBS is just another media lackey?
Posted by mario@...
2nd Sep 2010
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RE: Flu shots for everyone and for medical pros make it mandatory
and yet, Australia just outlawed flu shots for those under the age of
5 due to adverse reactions. (That's ignoring the fact that when they
made the flu shot optional, 50% of the opted out and flu rates
dropped 50%.) Hmm, something is fishy here.
Posted by htimsxela
2nd Sep 2010
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RE: Flu shots for everyone and for medical pros make it mandatory
The government has no right to tell me that I must put something into my body. We need less government intrusion into our lives, not more. Besides, flu shots only cover previous strains of the disease, and all of this year's vaccine has been manufactured already ? well before flu season. Isn?t there a good chance this year's strain won't have been included? I notice that you omitted that this year's flu vaccine has been proven to have an elevated risk of seizures in children. If the vaccine was as safe as we are lead to believe than why are we not told about these things? Nothing negative is ever disseminated to the populous because that might encourage resistance.

The current trend of over vaccination has been brought upon us by big pharmaceutical companies and their need to stay relevant to make money. The vaccines we are to trust our children to aren't evaluated by any agency other than the company that created them. How can we expect these huge corporations to police themselves when there is a proverbial gold mine to be made by not doing so? How many vaccines get pulled every year due to safety issues?

By over vaccinating our society as we currently are all we are accomplishing is prodding nature to "find another way" to exist. Tests have already shown that diseases are now finding ways around current vaccines. There are several vaccines that are currently mandated that do not provide lifelong immunity the way that contracting the disease will. Over medication and over vaccination as a whole are greatly responsible for the pandemic of new ?super? diseases we are currently experiencing. It has been proven that when medications and vaccinations are eliminated from feedstock animals that overall disease decreases. Why then do we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot? Less is the new more. It?s long past time to get back to our roots and find another way that doesn?t involve genetic modification and pumping untested chemicals into the populous.

/soapbox
Posted by CletusJones
2nd Sep 2010
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RE: Flu shots for everyone and for medical pros make it mandatory
Dana wrote "Should your doctor be forced to get the flu shot or lose their job?"

Dana, you need a better copy editor. We learned about agreement between antecedent and pronoun in fifth grade.
Posted by lmarks@...
2nd Sep 2010
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Jesus save us
I get more flu symptoms from people like Dana who support mandatory stuff. Just because our society does not have the guts to isolate ill people until well we all get forced into doing something that:
1. may harm us
2. may not be effective
3. does insult the iIntelligence of many people
Posted by MikeBytes@...
2nd Sep 2010
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MikeBytes@.
Science disagrees with you, and it's pretty unanimous. In fact, it's
interesting that the anti-vaccine crowd is now less popular than
global warming deniers.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
2nd Sep 2010
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RE: Flu shots for everyone and for medical pros make it mandatory
Every flu vaccination I have ever gotten (which is more than a few) has made me sick. I swore off them years ago and will not get another.
Posted by mlgoff_59
2nd Sep 2010
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RE: Flu shots for everyone and for medical pros make it mandatory
I have had the same thing happen to me as mlgoff_59....Stopped taking them, even though they were offered free by my employer...Stopped getting sick from them...
Posted by Mad Axeman
2nd Sep 2010
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RE: Flu shots for everyone and for medical pros make it mandatory
I have a friend who works at a walk-in clinic and he said that none of the doctors have taken the shots. Why? I asked. He replied "because none of them want to put that sh*t into their bodies".

So if 38% of doctors don't take them, there must be something they know that we don't.
Posted by ckl_88
2nd Sep 2010
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I find it interesting that such a large percentage of a professional
population that deals with health care does not want to be
vaccinated. Could it be that they know something? hmmm

Then threatened with LOOSING THEIR LIVELIHOOD, or get
vaccinated, most comply, and this is called an agreement? Again
hmmm

And that we trust in our corporate and government states to look
out after our best interests based upon their stellar track record
to date? Once again hmmm

Dana I do not know you and your perspectives on life, however I
feel that after reading a number of your articles your moniker
"Rethinking Healthcare" is a misnomer. Keep up the work that
you do, just be honest and title it "New and existing thoughts on
how to perpetuate the existing healthcare system"
Posted by kevin_kreitz
2nd Sep 2010
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RE: Flu shots for everyone and for medical pros make it mandatory
To ask the question unasked by CletusJones and mario@

Who owns your body? The government? or You?

If you believe the government does, then you have no rights except what the government tells you to do.
You have no property. You must do whatever you are told.

If on the other hand you believe you own your body, then no one has the right to force you to do anything that is not harming others. And not getting a flu shot, not getting a chip implanted in your body, is NOT hurting anyone, except for those that want an all powerful, all seeing government, the petty bureaucrats who are getting a taste of power for once in their lives, and the corporations bribing government officials to make such pronouncements.

Now... IF you feel you want to get a vaccine, then you should be able to get one. AND... IF you feel you do not want one, you should not be forced to get one. The choice should be yours. You are NOT owned by the government. You ARE smart enough t make your own choices in your health, and be prepared to live with the consequences of your own decisions.

"The word expert is not political. The experts in question are the Infectious Disease Society of America and the Society for Healthcare Epidemiology of America."

Who funds them? Corporations making vaccines?
Posted by Albee_Freeoneday
2nd Sep 2010
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RE: Flu shots for everyone and for medical pros make it mandatory
Amazing, similar to Fahrenheit 451, our modern society is run a muck to with those that want to destroy independent thought, our humanity. More and more so called professional blog sights like the TV new media are staffed with ill-informed people which will defend their ignorance even in the face of the visual and documented reality around them. Is there no one with intelligence, self respect, fortitude and humanity which enters journalism are they taught to look at one side of a story and stick with it irregardless of facts?
Posted by mario@...
2nd Sep 2010
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RE: Flu shots for everyone and for medical pros make it mandatory
"The CDC says it has enough vaccine this year for everyone, so
everyone should get the shot"

That is the stuff left over because no one wants it for good
reason.

What Pandemic?
When I worked in China during November last year
(I did not get vaccinated and there was no compulsion to do so.
Not bad for a totalitarian system.)
they published their swine flue figures for the preceding 90 days.
Swine Flue fatalities were 59 out of a population of 1.3 Billion.
But then you can't believe the Chinese, only the USA can be
trusted and especially the FDA.
Surely, Dana, you could get your facts right.
What Pandemic indeed!
Posted by kwickset@...
2nd Sep 2010
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RE: Flu shots for everyone and for medical pros make it mandatory
While I appreciate that the flu virus is serious for some, did you know that Vitamin D3 is more effective at fighting flu than the vaccine and many in the US are deficient? Here is an article about preparing for flu season naturally: http://biovedawellness.com/2010/08/preparing-for-flu-season-naturally/
Good info whether you are wary of the flu vaccine or not. My family is already taking extra D3 according to the new recommendations.
Posted by jenstate
2nd Sep 2010
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RE: Flu shots for everyone and for medical pros make it mandatory
"it's interesting that the anti-vaccine crowd is now less popular than global warming deniers."
Dana, popularity has nothing to do with whether something is right or wrong. All it indicates is an expression of opinion. I personally have no desire to be a "sheeple" aping the thoughts and opinions of others in the hopes of being accepted by them.
Posted by macawtat
2nd Sep 2010
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RE: Flu shots for everyone and for medical pros make it mandatory
The preceding comments suggest the possibility of an interesting scenario. An epidemic with serious health consequences in combination with public resistance to vaccination due to significant side effects. The environment includes an internet rumor ill that is highly resistant to facts, populist political movements that feed off the religion vs science debate, and mass media whose business model is thinly disguised partisanship rather than neutrality. I wonder if it would take an epidemic resulting in many deaths to get people to appreciate that individual decision making is impractical in some circumstances. Sounds like the plot of a made-for-cable movie, or the next great internet conspiracy theory.
Posted by hoodedswan
3rd Sep 2010
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macawtat
Scientific popularity is not like the popularity of celebrities. When a
scientific consensus exists, when it is validated by events, it's not
mere opinion. And treating science in a political manner is
destructive to our society as a whole, not just public health.

This should be clear in the last 10 years regarding vaccines. When
fear and innuendo cause immunization rates to drop, disease gains
a new foothold and becomes more dangerous to everyone.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
3rd Sep 2010
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RE: Flu shots for everyone and for medical pros make it mandatory
Just to counter the anecdotes from the people who said flu shots made them sick, ever since I started getting regular flu shots I've had less than half the number of illnesses I used to have ever since I started getting them.
Posted by riverat1
3rd Sep 2010
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I am 55, have not taken any prescription drugs, maybe 10 aspirin in 10 years and NO Flu shots! I eat
primarily non processed foods, meditate and exercise daily (not excessively) and I am in better health
then all of my friends and acquaintances who rely on science and medicine to take care of them. I
have not had more than a nagging cold and the onset of flu (my immune system shut them down
quickly) in over 10 years.

Dana, statistics can be used to justify any position and there is enough evidence to show that all
vaccines delivered to us have not been beneficial. There is also enough evidence to show that there
are powers in this field that are not working for our benefit as well.

Blanket statements are as dangerous as treating science in a political manner. Most people have
handed off their health and wellness to others to take care of them and we are experiencing the ramifications of this in our current health crisis. Taking back one's health (as I did) means being able
to decide what is best for ourselves, maintaining some basics regarding diet and exercise,
researching then questioning the medical establishment when they prescribe a cure for us.

You are more than welcome to put whatever you desire into your body just do not force me to put
something in to mine that I do not want and have no need for.
Posted by kevin_kreitz
3rd Sep 2010
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kevin_kreitz
Anecdotes aren't science. Statistics are a byproduct of science.

There is an enormous scientific consensus on behalf of vaccines.
The consensus has only grown. What you offer in response are
anecdotes and political attacks on "blanket statements" -- a
rhetorical maneuver aimed at making this a political discussion.

It's not.

Vaccines are proven technology. Refusal to accept that and use
vaccines creates danger for everyone else, because germs
incubate, grow, evolve, and become more dangerous in the
bodies of those who aren't vaccinated.

That's the science. Science doesn't respond to anecdotes or
polemics. They don't work, except insofar as they make the
scientific method appear less legitimate. Which is something I
won't accept, and something you shouldn't accept either, if you
accept the products of science.

Science isn't a chinese menu. You don't get to pick one from
column a and reject what's in column b. The results may appear
"illogical." But they're proven through experiment and evidence.

It's elementary school stuff. And it should be required for anyone
who considers themselves a citizen of the 21st century. Because
it's the underpinning of all the miracles of our time.

Including this medium we're using.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
4th Sep 2010
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Science aside Dana, the statistics should prove the case for vaccines. How many lives saved by vaccines, millions. How many diseases have been virtually eradicated from the face of the Earth because of vaccines, too many to name. Well OK a couple, polio and smallpox. I'm 63 now and have had a flu shot every year since I was 19. Had the flu when I was 18, that's why I get my shot ever year and haven't had it since.
And for you anti-vaccine folks, yes, people do get sick and some die from vaccinations, but they are the exception rather than the rule.
Posted by taustin21@...
4th Sep 2010
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Ops, I forgot one other extremely important statistic, how many lives lost for the lack of being vaccinated, millions!
Posted by taustin21@...
4th Sep 2010
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RE: Flu shots for everyone and for medical pros make it mandatory
ops,what you really forgot is pills and vaccinations have been here for 100 years..herbs have been here 1000s of years
how long have humans existed here monkeybrain.?
we are starting to die from cancer faster than ever
poison in everything.
your 63 years are a very good innings for your type of reality
good luke reaching 90
Posted by hackettize@...
5th Sep 2010
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hackettize@...
Science does not always lead results you think are logical or
reasonable. As in this case. The level of pollutants has not yet
impacted life spans negatively. Vaccinations have improved them,
by keeping young people alive.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
7th Sep 2010
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Dana Blankenhorn
Your response was predictable and in line with the blind faith in
science and the fear based social, political and health structure we
live in. Unfortunately science has already been politicized prior to
this article. There have been vaccines that have eradicated deadly
diseases yes, however vacines have now become a cash cow for
the pharmaceuticals and there is ENOUGH EVIDENCE pointing to
the misuse of vacines for profit and the detrimental effects some of
them have caused. To question all of this is what I would hope
every 21st century citizen would do.
Posted by kevin_kreitz
8th Sep 2010
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Let's be real. The medical profession is a business. Just like any other business, the main goal is to make money. It is supported by the pharmaceutical companies who control not only our government, but the medical schools as well. We should all have a business with guaranteed income due to mandated purchases and blanket immunity from injury or harm. Gee, didn't hospitals have that a few years back? Those in the majority are simply brain washed into believing the propaganda. That usually comes back to bite us in the end...I particularly like the use of the "herding theory", images of being blind, tethered and led to the slaughterhouse comes to mind. Apparently, we haven't learned our lesson from the abuse of antibiotics. How many resistant strains are there now? I lost count. Oh, and "safe"?Could it possibly be that they manipulate the data? So, why do the pharmaceuticals need blanket immunity again?
To say that people screamed bloody murder until faced with a policy and then they complied is an outrage!!!Fall in or lose your job! In this economy? And go where? To the next hospital or medical facility with the same policy? Try giving up the journalist freedom of speech! Let's see the outrage and compliance rate there.
And regarding the theoretical scenario mentioned by Hoodedswan, after you've succeeded in completely eradicating our free innate immune system for a costly manufactured artificial one, what do you do when all these super viruses, that you have created, have no cure in the lab?
My intelligence is highly offended when the flu in the US is compared to the small pox epidemic in underdeveloped countries years ago. Give me a break.
One more thing, does anyone have any idea where all these new autoimmune diseases are coming from? Oh, could they possibly be one of those minor side effects of one of these highly acclaimed vaccinations? But what I really can't get my head around is how a newborns immune system is so strong it can handle multiple foreign invasions into its bloodstream, yet the GI tract is so fragile it can't handle solid food for 6 months. Can someone explain that to me?
If we continue to play with fire, we will get burned. If we continue to allow government agencies, be it national, state or organizational to simply write a policy to force people into compliance, we will be no better than Nazi Germany. Yes, if the flu can be compared to small pox, I can compare this propaganda to Nazi Germany
Posted by tosoul
11th Sep 2010
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kevin_kreitz
I don't have blind faith in science. My eyes are wide open. The
difference between science and everything else is that science
comes with evidence. As in the case of vaccines.

Political arguments, ideological arguments, and religious
arguments all have this in common. They're arguments. Scientific
arguments are quite different. They must be grounded in facts to
be accepted by other scientists. Some scientists do make
political, ideological and religious arguments within a scientific
context, but when they don't bring evidence to the table they're
ignored. Except by people who don't know what science really is -
- it's a method and not a result.

Claiming someone has "blind faith" in fact is an attempt to
politicize something that's not political. It is foolish of people to try
and make the scientific method political in any case -- because
the facts will out.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
13th Sep 2010
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