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Firm parenting yes, violent parenting no

By | September 28, 2009, 12:14 PM PDT

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Andrew’s piece today recommending a “firm” parenting style can easily be misunderstood.

He’s talking here of setting rules, sticking by them, and explaining them. Nowhere does Andrew recommend you beat the little dears — no matter how you may think they deserve it.

Two literature studies — one conducted in the U.S. and one using global data — confirm that those who are spanked may actually wind up stupider than their unbeaten peers.

Critics may argue that those who come up with numbers like this have an agenda, which is to avoid spanking. Murray Strauss, who did one of today’s studies, told Time it’s possible stupid kids just get spanked more. (While an effort was made to adjust for income, it may also be that stupid parents spank more, too.)

Spanking is not just an American thing, and this story has gone around the world faster than a switch laid across a bare behind:

  • MedIndia suggests in its headline on the new studies that spanking may make kids more aggressive.
  • VisitBulgaria notes 2 dozen countries have banned spanking, adding “the old Victorian adage ‘Spare the rod and ruin the child!’ does not hold true, after all!
  • Metro.co.uk writes that “avoiding spanking and correcting misbehaviour in other ways can help” maximize IQ in later life.
  • News.Com in Australia interviewed local experts who suggested “time out” is best, adding a little pat on the bum to get their attention can’t hurt, can it?

My own view, with 21 years’ parenting experience to back it up, is that parenting is very hard. It’s very, very hard when you have a kid who routinely engages in oppositional behavior, whether due to ADHD or just plain cussedness.

I feel terrible guilt over every little smack I ever gave one of my kids, and wish I could take them all back. But they’re not stupid, either one.

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Early training
Seems to me that discipline in the sense of parents are right and children should obey needs to be instilled early in life. Boundary testing is innate in all young animals and is fine, realising that there ARE boundaries and when a parent sets limits then that is it.

If that relationship is established early - pre-school - then I think , subject to minor rebellions, you have it cracked. However remember to give enough carrots : ), and remove previous boundaries as they grow older [ I refrained from using the word mature].

Training children with cause and effect lessons, cooking complex dishes, growing plants, chess, etc may help them mature earlier. Remember adolescent males do not grow the final bit of the brain to do with risk taking until 20ish. Sad but true.
Posted by dieseltaylor
29th Sep 2009
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A smack in time saves nine
Humans are primates. In all primate groups, the young learn appropriate social behaviors based on observation, and trial and error. All young primates experiment with their environment, and with their relationships as part of the learning process. And in all primates, physical chastisement is an integral part of the socialization process.

In some cases, a young ape will even be beaten to death. The smart ones learn how much they can get away with, and what they can't get away with. Physical punishment is a natural behavior that is survival oriented for the group. The key is to apply it in appropriate situations in the appropriate amount.

I'm an unrepentant child beater. I smacked both of my boys whenever necessary. Running or riding out into the street without looking merited a smack on the head. So did roughhousing in the house. The kitchen steak knife throwing contest got an 8 or 9 whack spanking on the bottoms; as did the "let's play with lit candles and dripping wax in the bedrooms" incident, and the plastic bag over the head trick got a whalloping of a dozen on the butt, as well as a demonstation of asphyxiation with a small furry animal (mice are quite sincerely dead after 10 minutes of oxygen deprivation). The point is, corporal punishment is appropriate discipline when it comes the health and safety issues where just plain talking and cognitive reasoning doesn't work, or doesn't work fast enough.

I suppose it can be demonstrated that because humans rarely kill their young, no matter how stupid they are, that we will inevitably see children who are beaten with lower IQs.
Posted by Dr_Zinj
29th Sep 2009
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Unrepentent child beater?
And you wonder why you compare yourself to a chimpanzee?

Were you beaten as a kid, too? Because you just raised a bunch of child beaters, there -- or so the literature indicates.

Dismissing research that conflicts with your violent ideology is mistaken, I think.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
29th Sep 2009
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RE: Firm parenting yes, violent parenting no
Millions of people worldwide were spanked as a child. There are times when spanking needs to be done to get a child's attention. In the last 25 years, less and less spanking has occurred and a lot more "time-outs" have occurred. Let's hear it from your readers as to whether they think current adolescents and young adults are more obedient or less obedient, more respectful or less respectful, more spoiled or less spoiled.

I would submit to you and your readers that parents are less in control than previous generations of parents were and that children today now believe it's optional to listen to their parents, and for that matter, any other adult.

Everyone knows that their is a worldwide push by the intellectual elites to legislate spanking. Consider this; maybe these "intellectuals" don't want their spoiled kids sticking out like sore thumbs compared to the rest of our "spanked and disciplined" children so they want us to do what they're doing.

I'll tell you one thing, my children knew (and know) very clearly what was(is) acceptable behavior and what was (is) unacceptable behavior. How are the "unspanked" kids of today doing with this?
Posted by mrissman1@...
29th Sep 2009
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RE: Firm parenting yes, violent parenting no
I think spanking says more about the spanker than the spankee at the same time that it provides an object lesson to the spankee on the 'right way' to respond to frustration, aggression, obstructive behaviour. Someone cuts you off on the road? That's alright, just lash out - that's an appropriate response! No, that's road rage - and is unacceptable behaviour. Someone 'disses' you at school? Collect all your parents weapons, go to school and teach them all a lesson! Equally inappropriate.
I think that society is witnessing an increase in unreasoned physical responses to others unacceptable behaviour, because of lessons provided by parents that teach kids that violence is an appropriate response.
Often the offending behaviour on the part of the child is simply attention seeking (there's a lesson in that too - engage more often with your children and not with your open hand or fist).
In many ways, the physical response to unacceptable behaviour is as childish as the child's behaviour was in the first place. To all those who complain about the lack of maturity in today's young adults, examine the lesson you've provided to your kids about 'adult' responses to conflict.
The far harder path? A passionless response (devioid of apparent anger) to the behaviour that makes clear to the child that boundaries have been crossed. What my kids find far more confronting is the social exclusion that is part and parcel of 'time out'.
To all those that spank their children, grow up and show them how adults should deal with unacceptable behaviour!
Posted by asparagus64
29th Sep 2009
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RE: Firm parenting yes, violent parenting no
Mr. Asparagus,

My parents spanked me fairly often as a small child, but you've got it wrong. Precisely in order to avoid it being a "lashing out," my parents would always have us wait in their room for five or ten eternities, er minutes, so they would be perfectly calm and ration about it. Maybe doing it that way never occurred to you?

Tell me honestly, how are your parenting methods working? I am one of 10, and my parents could take us to anything. Can you take your kids to a concert or have them all get up and sing or recite at a dinner party? My parents could. We also took a month-long road trip across the US in a camper. Yeah, it was crowded, but it was a blast, and we had a great time spending hours together in a van. My mom read books aloud, we played games, etc, and we didn't watch a single DVD. Can your kids sit in a car for 10 hours a day and enjoy each other?

FYI, I'm currently working as a PC tech at a local computer shop. I was hired straight out of high school. I was homeschooled, which my employer was originally a little leery about, but my ACT score (96th percentile) reassured him that I didn't have "low IQ."

-bendodge
Posted by wyattbest@...
29th Sep 2009
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RE: Firm parenting yes, violent parenting no
Mr Dodge,
I don't necessarily subscribe to the study's conclusion about beatings and IQ.
My parents did resort to corporal punishment wit my siblings and I too. It wasn't frequent and it wasn't physically damaging (no marks, bruises, etc). My wife's parents also used corporal punishment as a means of discipline.
My issue with corporal punishment is that no matter how thoughtfully it's delivered, it's still advocating that violence (and any deliberate use of physical force outside consensual contact sports is a form of violence) is an acceptable response to conflict. Why is it that it's somehow OK for parents to choose violence as a form of discipline, but it's illegal for adults to use the same approach against another adult? If you smacked (open hand or closed fist) another adult, say in a bar/pub, because their behaviour was unacceptable, you'd be charged with assault, and yet it's somehow OK for adults to do this to those they're supposed to be protecting.
I'm assuming that because you didn't mention kids, you don't yet have them. Have you thought about what form of discipline you will use when you are a parent? That's more important than whatever your parents chose to do.
I have three six and under, and yes, we can and do take them to concerts, restaurants and other public venues. We're careful to be aware of how tired they might be and be realistic about their ability to produce exemplary behaviour at the end of a long busy day (one thing that really bothers me are parents in public with obviously tired children telling them to stop crying or they'll give them a real reason to cry).
We do long trips in the car and while there may be some DVD watching (did DVDs and portable players exist when you were a child? If not, then it's not a relevant comment), most of the trip is spent reading books (quite often the 6yo reading to the 4yo), playing games, talking and, for the younger two, sleeping.
In fact, the elder two (the youngest is only just one) enjoy each others company most of the time. I'm happy with the way my kids are turning out - they understand right from wrong, and they understand what is and isn't acceptable behaviour. This has been managed through establishing boundaries and ensuring there is a sanction for going beyond them, all without resorting to any form of corporal punishment.

Gareth
Posted by asparagus64
30th Sep 2009
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spanking and fear works in moderation
To say otherwise is nothing but leftist nonsense. Notice that only the wing nut far left want to ban disciplining children. Go feck yourselves you control freak fascists!
Posted by katrillionaire@...
3rd Oct 2009
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Oh Puh-Lease
Discipline does not affect IQ. We got popped on the butt and spanked when we really pushed it. It did not hurt us or affect us in a bad way at all. We are all happy and healthy. If our parents had made us sit in a corner we would have laughed our butts off until we got the spanking wink
Posted by Pambyz
12th Jul
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