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Energizing the silent majority for vaccines

By | February 15, 2010, 8:30 AM PST

Dr. Paul Offit, a vaccine researcher (winner of the Jonas Salk Medal for his work on RotaTeq) has finally launched a media tour for his 2008 book “Autism’s False Prophets,” calling on the silent majority of parents to reject fear and vaccinate their kids so they won’t get sick.

Offit was unable to tour when his book came out in hardback in 2008 because, at the time, his conclusions were so controversial.

Now, since the retraction of a controversial anti-vaccine study by Andrew Wakefield by The Lancet, he’s coming out swinging, on CBS and elsewhere.

Why is he angry? For the same reason I am.

Scientists are increasingly finding outbreaks of diseases like whooping cough, which had been in check for years, because parents are refusing vaccinations. Kids who aren’t vaccinated can spread disease to kids who were, because no vaccine is 100% effective.

Kids are getting sick and some are dying because of a political movement that rejects science in favor of ignorance.

Critics have called Dr. Offit Dr. Profit because he made money from his discoveries. Then what do you call someone like Sherri Tenpenny, an osteopath who makes her living campaigning against vaccinations?

She was spinning like mad after The Lancet retraction, selling the idea that people are “rightly” suspicious of government, the CDC, and the American Academy of Pediatrics.

Rightly? Why?

Who is making them suspicious, “doctor” Tennpenny? People like you, and medical “authorities” like actress Jenny McCarthy, who is now offering Dr. Wakefield financial support from her anti-vaccine group Generation Rescue in Austin.

Given a choice between a respected scientist and someone who follows a man who rejected the germ theory of disease, Dr. Tenpenny, the choice should be easy.

Only it’s not, unfortunately.

The anti-vaccine mob, like the anti-science mobs and the anti-government mobs, are well-funded, they are politically well-connected, and they have had an immense influence on public policy over the last decade.

Maybe it is time for the silent majority to stand up. The child whose life you save may be your own.

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RE: Energizing the silent majority for vaccines
Of course to demonize anyone with questions about vaccine safety seems fair game for you. You're not alone, there are plenty of you out there who are uninformed, or I should say, less informed than some of the parents of children diagnosed with a regressive form of autism.

First of all disease is spread by people carrying the disease, those receiving vaccines can shed the disease and infect others with the same disease they are vaccinated to prevent. Many times vaccines create a mutant version that will need new approaches to protect against.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/11/health/11iht-polio.1.7847606.html?_r=1

The good doctor Offitt was afraid that even his vaccine RotaTeq would harm children. http://i46.tinypic.com/24lt1y1.jpg Of course now that he is being paid by Merck for it, he claims someone could inject him with 10,000 vaccines without injury.

Unfortunately vaccines do cause injury, and even death.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3336455/Secret-report-reveals-18-child-deaths-following-vaccinations.html

Maybe those of us that have children who were injured by vaccines, those of us who caution other parents, have a better idea about the cost of herd immunity. We know the cost, and to us it's isn't worth it.
Posted by bensmyson
15th Feb 2010
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bensmyson
Where is your science? You don't have anything.

Everyone is concerned about new vaccines. The fact that Dr. Offit was
concerned makes him human, not a monster.

What you have offered is nothing but a political argument defending
ignorance. I think it is past time that such arguments were engaged
and dismissed, because you're dangerous.

You make the extraordinary claim your child was hurt by a vaccine.
How about a little proof. I don't deny it's possible. Vaccines that
help 1 million may hurt a few dozen. But denying them hurts 1
million.

Or would you rather have polio, and measles, and pertussis, and all
the other diseases that have been nearly wiped out thanks to the
miracle of vaccines.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
15th Feb 2010
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RE: Energizing the silent majority for vaccines
FreeSpeaker here. In addition to lacking science, Bensmyson also lacks simple reading comprehension skills. Dr. Offit's comments relate to the RotaSHIELD vaccine, which was withdrawn because it was believed to cause an increase in a bowel problem.
Posted by FreeSpeaker
15th Feb 2010
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Always some risk with vaccines, but less than the diease itself
I'm 45. When I received my first Measles vaccine as a very young child, they were still using "weakened but live" Measles viruses for the vaccine. The thought at the time was that it was so weakened, the vaccinated child would not get sick. They no longer use that vaccine because a number of us got sick from the vaccine, myself included.

No vaccine, or drug, or medical treatment of any kind, is 100%. There will always be those for who it fails. But even though I'm one who fell to the weakness of a particular vaccine, I still try to be the first in line at all the vaccine clinics and to keep my boosters up to date.

I'd rather be sick a few days than die from tetanus, Whooping cough, polio, typhoid, or small pox.
Posted by mheartwood
16th Feb 2010
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RE: Energizing the silent majority for vaccines
Dana. Did you write this trash? I am a medical doctor, boarded in internal medicine and nephrology. I know the difference between a schlock doc and a real one. Dr Offit schlock. Dr Tenpenny; well-read, genius, science based. In fact Dr Tenpenny uses medical references to back up all of her claims. Like a jujitsu fighter, she uses your stupid weapons against you. Check your references before you go slandering a wonderfully educated doctor with more integrity in her pinky than you and Dr Offit have in you entire bodies. Check out what your chances are of dying from tetanus, whooping cough, polio, typhoid or small pox. In fact, check out Dr Tenpenny's information to help you out of your ignorant space.
Posted by drzee
16th Feb 2010
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RE: Energizing the silent majority for vaccines
My son has healthier immune system due to not vaccinating. Autism is the least of my concerns. You could not pay me enough to inject aluminium, monkey kidney cells, more animanl DNA, msg, polysorbate 80, formaldehyde, thimerosal, aborted fetal cells, and all the other nasty ingredients in vaccines into myself let alone my 15 pound baby.

Of course I question Dr Offitt's ethics...you said so yourself he has something to gain promoting vaccines-especially his! That is how the whole vaccine world is built on-money for the people in charge and who cares what happens to our future generations.

So you want me to vaccinate my child b/c the vaccine is not 100% effective-that logic is faulty.

I am glad that there are doctors like Dr Tenpenny who stand for the truth and who are not trying to make money off of vaccines.

Vaccines have never saved anyone from any diseases. If anything they are the reason why they are still around. the MMR is a live vaccine which can shed to 3 weeks...If your body is sufficient in vit A you will not get the measles.

take care of your immune system but skipping the toxic vaccines.
Posted by Loa1002
16th Feb 2010
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RE: Energizing the silent majority for vaccines
oh and ps. Dr Tenpenny does not make her living campaigning against vaccinations. She does that mostly for free. She makes her living curing illnesses; namely the ones created by MDs and their drugs and vaccines. Thank God for her and doctors that have educated themselves in order to save humanity from the onslaught of ignorance like yours and pharma-backed Dr OFFit. How many MDs do you know that CURE people I know only of MDs that maintain illness and create pain and suffering and seem to get away with it thanks to ignoramuses like you.
Posted by drzee
16th Feb 2010
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RE: Energizing the silent majority for vaccines
5. drzee, you rock! You said it perfectly. It would take to much of my precious time away from UN- vaccinated children to educate you Dana Blankenhorn.
Posted by amydogs
16th Feb 2010
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RE: Energizing the silent majority for vaccines
no# 5, you said it perfectly. Dana, it would take up to much of my precious time with my very healthy
un-vaccinated children to educate you. Please!
Posted by amydogs
16th Feb 2010
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RE: Energizing the silent majority for vaccines
Maybe you need to research what training DO's have compared to MD's...

"DO's offer their patients the most comprehensive care available in medicine today."

DO's and MD's are alike in many ways:

* Applicants to both DO. and M.D. colleges typically have a four-year undergraduate degree with an emphasis on science courses.
* Both DO's and MD's complete four years of basic medical education.
* After medical school, both DO's and MD's can choose to practice in a specialty area of medicine such as psychiatry, surgery, or obstetrics. They both complete a residency program, which takes typically two to six years of additional training.
* Both DO's and MD's must pass comparable state licensing examinations.
* DO's and MD's both practice in fully accredited and licensed hospitals and medical centers.
* DO's comprise a separate, yet equal branch of American medical care. Together DO's and MD's enhance the state of health care available in America.
* However, it's the ways that DO's and MD's are different that can bring an extra dimension to your family's health care.

DO's bring something extra to medicine:

* Osteopathic schools emphasize training students to be primary care physicians.
* DO's practice a "whole person" approach to medicine. Instead of just treating specific symptoms or illnesses, they regard your body as an integrated whole.
* Osteopathic physicians focus on preventive healthcare.
* DO's receive extra training in the musculoskeletal system - your body's interconnected system of nerves, muscles and bones that make up two-thirds of its body mass. This training provides osteopathic physicians with a better understanding of the ways that an injury or illness in one part of your body can affect another. It gives DO's a therapeutic and diagnostic advantage over those who do not receive additional specialized training.
* Osteopathic manipulative treatment (OMT) is incorporated in the training and practice of osteopathic physicians. OMT allows physicians to use their hands to diagnose injury and illness and to encourage your body's natural tendency toward good health. By combining all other medical procedures with OMT, DO's offer their patients the most comprehensive care available in medicine today.
Posted by lovellskt
16th Feb 2010
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RE: Energizing the silent majority for vaccines
That being said, Dr. Tenpenny is a true professional in every sense of the word. It is ridiculous to accuse her of trying to be profitable by going against vaccines. Dr. (pr)Offit has tons to gain by the promotion of these deadly vaccines. Keep in mind, Dr. Wakefield?s research was never questioned. The focus of the "trial" was on the so called "unethical behavior" of some of the tests done. However, even the parents of the 12 children all gave fully informed consent and even wrote a letter to the panel showing their support of Dr. Wakefield and the other doctors.
Posted by lovellskt
16th Feb 2010
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I call Dr Tenpenny informed and courageous!
Where is your scientific evidence? More and more evidence against vaccinations is stacking up. I had the MMR and I got Measles. You are right about one thing "no vaccine is 100% effective".
I have found by research and by my own experience that the body God gave me is a lot more efficient than any man-made vaccine. Maybe you should do a little more research.
"Reality tells a different story, however: It is the vaccinated people who are causing these outbreaks and spreading disease!

Just this week, an outbreak of mumps among more than 1,000 people in New Jersey and New York has raised alarm among infectious disease authorities. The outbreak itself is not unusual, though. What's unusual is that the health authorities slipped up and admitted that most of the people infected with mumps had already been vaccinated against mumps.

In Ocean County, New Jersey, county spokeswoman Leslie Terjesen told CNN that 77 percent of those who caught mumps had already been vaccinated against mumps." http://www.naturalnews.com/028142_mumps_vaccines.html

So I say Kudos to Dr. Tenpenny, Mike Adams, and others who are willing to stand up and inform the public about the dangers of vaccinations!
Posted by Yoli-22
16th Feb 2010
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spreading disease for profit
Anyone out there who might have bought into the drivel in this article ought to consider that the source of infectious diseases is often the vaccine strain organisms. polio, measles, influenza. isn't that a convenient way to keep business going? now try to sell it to the public, or scare it into them. well guess what; as you can see here, the public is not so gullible afterall.
Posted by drzee
16th Feb 2010
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RE: Energizing the silent majority for vaccines
are you ignoring the ingredients of vaccines? Everybody isn't so stupid as to add known poisons into the body.
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16th Feb 2010
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Your words
"no vaccine is 100% effective." Why would I risk my health, life or the health and life of my loved ones if these vaccines are not 100% effective?


"rejects science in favor of ignorance." I reject this science because it is practicing ignorance in the form of poisons.

"The child whose life you save may be your own." I will save my own life by not injecting poisons, animal parts and chemical into my body.

I think that you should take the vaccines. Any and all that are offered. I'll be the control and we'll see who gets ALS or Parkinson's first.
Posted by PandoraFiles
16th Feb 2010
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They dont call this guy Dr. Profit for nothing. The work he did at CHOP in Philadelphia with the Rotavirus vax was enough to make this guy rich many times over. He is a front for big pharma and a fraud to people's health. What he promotes will NEVER end up in my or my child's body.
Posted by mbalt99
16th Feb 2010
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"Kids who aren?t vaccinated can spread disease to kids who were, because no vaccine is 100% effective." that's a statement against vaccination, not for it! Why has the herd immunity standard risen from 68% to now 95% and some health officials even say 100% in the last 30 years? Because they are trying to cover up the fact that vaccinations FAIL to prevent these diseases. Whooping cough is on the rise despite sufficient uptake (according to the National Immunization Surveys which may be found on the CDC's website).

There is one reason and one reason alone why Dr Paul For Profit Offit gives a damn about vaccines, because he's practically a billioniare from it! Anyone who would promote the word of the man who made the hysterically delusional statement that an infant can safely take 100,000 vaccines at a time is a moron.
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16th Feb 2010
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AND PS... "The anti-vaccine mob, like the anti-science mobs and the anti-government mobs, are well-funded, they are politically well-connected, and they have had an immense influence on public policy over the last decade."

How on EARTH did you formulate that opinion?! That could not be farther from the truth, the anti vax community is currently the most ostracized group of individuals in the United States and we have only hardened pro vax parents and governments consternation to promote their vaccine agendas. I would love to see one shred of evidence to support this convoluted perspective that those who are anti vaccine are "well funded", politically well connected or influencing public policy. Any evidence at all!
Posted by AvaTara539
16th Feb 2010
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RE: Energizing the silent majority for vaccines
As a physician board-certified in family medicine, I APPLAUD THIS
ARTICLE. "Dr." Tenpenny and her ilk do nothing but peddle fear
and their own books and supplements. They should be ashamed
AND held accountable when vaccine-preventable illness returns.
Posted by jendonahue
16th Feb 2010
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How many are getting whooping cough? It's not 1 in 93. But truly, the one thing all kids have in common with the rise of autism is the increase of vaccines. Doesn't that make sense???

Dr Offit said once he got the profits from his vaccine it was like "winning the lottery". It's about the money. Period. I'd like to inject 100,000 vaccines into him and see how he does. And, the CDC holds the patent and are responsible for public safety. It that like the fox guarding the hen house?

The Amish do not vaccinate. They do not have an autism problem with their children. It's zero except for kids that are adopted out of the country. HELLO!

If you even followed Jenny's cause, she's not anti-vaccine. She's about GREEN vaccines. No toxins. No poisons. No live virus'. One at a time. Spaced out so the brain can recover. And testing kids to make sure they CAN HANDLE IT! Autism is brain trama.

Having a child with autism opened my eyes to research and not blindly listen to a Dr. who had one class in vaccinology and listen to people who don't profit from my business. My other son, unvaccinated is typical developing.

and your comment "Kids who aren?t vaccinated can spread disease to kids who were, because no vaccine is 100% effective." Isn't that telling proof that vaccines DON'T WORK? And where is this coming from anyway? Maybe from the vaccine itself?

I'm not a sheep anymore in the CDC's herd thank you and neither are my kids!
Posted by jenhen72
16th Feb 2010
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How many are getting whooping cough? It's not 1 in 93. But truly, the one thing all kids have in common with the rise of autism is the increase of vaccines. Doesn't that make sense???

Dr Offit said once he got the profits from his vaccine it was like "winning the lottery". It's about the money. Period. I'd like to inject 100,000 vaccines into him and see how he does or maybe we should take the weight ratio of an infant to his body weight and multiply it accordingly. That would be an interesting study.

And, the CDC holds the patent and are responsible for public safety. Isn't that like the fox guarding the hen house?

The Amish do not vaccinate. They do not have an autism problem with their children. It's zero except for kids that are adopted out of the country. HELLO!

Dr. Tenpenny is a voice of reason in a greedy big-pharma big-profit world. Plus, she's had more training as an Osteopath than a medical doctor. The real fear peddlers are the pediatrician who browbeat moms because they ask questions or refuse shots.

If you even followed Jenny's cause, she's not anti-vaccine. She's about GREEN vaccines. No toxins. No poisons. No live virus'. One at a time. Spaced out so the brain can recover. And testing kids to make sure they CAN HANDLE IT! Autism is brain trama.

Having a child with autism opened my eyes to research and not blindly listen to a Dr. who had one class in vaccinology and listen to people who don't profit from my vaccine business. My other son, un-vaccinated, is typical developing and hitting milestones early. Praise God.

and your comment "Kids who aren?t vaccinated can spread disease to kids who were, because no vaccine is 100% effective." Isn't that telling proof that vaccines DON'T WORK? And where is this insurgence infection coming from anyway? Maybe from the vaccine itself?

I'm not a sheep anymore in the CDC's herd thank you and neither are my kids! Do you have kids Dana? Did you get the h1n1 shot? Do you get the flu shot? I bet if your child became autistic, lost their language after the MMR and you had 40+ hours a week of therapists coming into your home to help them learn, you'd toot a different tune.

I'll fight to my death to keep vaccines a choice, and tell EVERY mother I can the dangers! Cause you didn't mention ONE danger!
Posted by jenhen72
16th Feb 2010
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I have six children. One almost died in my arms from vaccines. The rest are healthier children that most I know. That is because I take excellent care of them, and feed them well. they have NO neurological problems, they have NO learning disabilities. When illness and dis-ease go around, my children rarely get sick. If they do, it doesn't last more than a day or two. I would no sooner have them injected with the poisonous vaccine cocktails than tell them to play on a busy freeway. Vaccines are pushed for one reason...to fill the pockets of scoundrels like you with more money.
Posted by wildmtnwoman
16th Feb 2010
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First, to the person outlining the differences between DOs and MDs. You forgot one important thing. The large majority of DOs were denied admission to Medical School and so they had to take their second choice.

To the "Doctor" who discourages vaccination, can you sign your real name and state so the proper authorities can be notified.

To Doctor Offit. I do hope you are reading these comments with the knowledge that these anti vaxxers are afraid of you. They are afraid of you because you are going to take away their ability to blame their children's hardships on anyone or anything else other than themselves and they will actually have to start working with their children to make them productive members of society rather than make them feel second rate and a burden.
Posted by Doctor two cents
17th Feb 2010
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There are studies going back into the 1990?s that state that the pertussis vaccine wears off in adolescents and adults. Clinical Infectious Disease 1999 (PMID:10447028) ?Because of the apparent reservoir of B. Pertussis infections in adolescents and adults, I believe that B. pertussis cannot be controlled by our present childhood immunization program?.

NE Journal of Medicine Oct 13 2005.
? Infections among adolescents and adults results from waning immunity, since immunization or infection does not induce long-lived immunity. ?..consequently, pertussis continues to circulate among older persons, which creates a source of contagion for young children.? (with 7 references for this statement). This study guesstimates that upwards of 33 million persons between 15-65 have pertussis annually in the US!

They have known for years about this, and the 2005 paper was to promote the newly developed pertussis vaccine for adults. They will be pushing boosters for all of the childhood diseases. The WHO has papers back into the mid 1990?s that note the waning of efficacy in adults for most of our old time standard vaccines (measles*, polio*, pertussis, diphtheria*) those with a * have shorter durations of immunity when no wild virus is circulating. (http://whqlibdoc.who.int/HQ/1995/WHO_EPI_GEN_95.03_rev.1.pdf) See pages 6 & 8.
The recent outbreaks of mumps in adolescents & college students who were fully vaccinated (>75% of those infected had 2 doses), also lends one to suspect mumps efficacy wanes too.

Every doctor that makes a statement regarding the small population of unvaccinated as the source of disease needs to be called on this as either uninformed or blatantly lying.
Posted by scientist&mom
17th Feb 2010
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To the person above who says "one thing all kids have in common with the rise of autism is the increase of vaccines." Actually, there has also been an increase in cell phone usage, computer usage, imported foods, and a host of other things which correlate with any perceived increase in autism. Take your choice as to which one to blame for your genes.
Posted by Doctor two cents
17th Feb 2010
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RE: Energizing the silent majority for vaccines
Doctor two cents, there is already sufficient evidence that genetics alone or better reporting standards cannot account for the incidence of Autism in the United States, that it must be from SOME environmental factor. And there HAVE been studies, contrary to popular belief (and media coverage) that have shown a causation from vaccinations to Autism, I will list so below but not before I make the point that my own cousin is Autistic genetically, since GRADE SCHOOL I have been volunteering with special needs children in classrooms, and I have never seen anywhere near this level of incidence, and "there is no such thing as a genetic epidemic."!

Stephen T Schultz, Aceteminophen use, measles mumps rubella vaccination and autistic disorder, Autism Vol. 12, No. 3, 293-307 (2008)

Geier and Geier, " a case series of children with apparent mercury toxic encephalopathies with clinical symptoms of regressive autistic disorders", Journal of Toxicology, 2007

(see details www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=69427)

Robert Nataf, Porphyrinuria in Childhood Autistic Disorder: Implications for Environmental Toxicity, Toxicology and Applied Pharmacology, 2006.

James Adams PhD, A Case Control Study of Mercury Burden in Children with Autism Spectrum Disorder, Journal of American Physicians and Surgeon, 2003

Dr. Amy S. Holmes, Mark F. Blaxill, Boyd E. Haley, Ph.D., Reduced Levels of Mercury in First Baby Haircuts of Autistic Children
International Journal of Toxicology, March 14, 2003
Posted by AvaTara539
17th Feb 2010
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As for the person who says we are "afraid" of Dr. Offit, LOL LOL LOL!!! I have nothing to fear of him because I see beyond his lies and don't vaccinate my children and never will. Any physician who supports the man who made the claim of 100,000 vaccines are safe for an infant to take at one time and is nearly a billionaire from his association to the pharmaceutical companies has immediately shown himself as a shill who is unworthy of any respect as a doctor.
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17th Feb 2010
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It is not an argument
Avatar. I have seen all of your references every place on the internet. It is obvious that you are not a scientist.We have seen all of the nonsense finally debunked Stand aside please. Good Day.
Posted by Doctor two cents
17th Feb 2010
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I see the mob arrived
I recommend this thread to those who understand science. There are some good comments here. There are also some ignorant ones.

By the way, there is no such thing as 100% effective. It does not exist. Even with aspirin. But 99% effective against a disease that's 75% deadly is a very fair trade-off.

Y'know gang, this here Internet thingie is the product of science, and the scientific method. It was built by engineers, but they used scientific principles in their work.

Criticize the method at your peril. That PC in front of you may turn to dust.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
17th Feb 2010
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drzee
Let's just say I won't be calling you for an appointment any time soon. Not to look at the bumps on my head, not to bleed me with leeches, nor for the other "treatments" you think are more cost-effective than vaccines.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
17th Feb 2010
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Autism
There are other sources of environmental mercury other than vaccines. Like coal-fired power plants. Or didn't anyone analyze what was in that Tennessee sludge river a few years ago?

It is possible that environmental toxins are doing horrible things to us, and to our children.

But vaccines aren't the problem.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
17th Feb 2010
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"Scientists are increasingly finding outbreaks of diseases like whooping cough, which had been in check for years, because parents are refusing vaccinations. Kids who aren?t vaccinated can spread disease to kids who were, because no vaccine is 100% effective."

You would be smart to look at actual cases of whooping cough and other diseases like it...and tell me who gets it and who does not. My kids were exposed for four hours and didn't get it while plenty of children get it who ARE vaccinated:

MOST adults are not vaccinated. MOST vaccines wane, some wane MOST quickly.

Clueless and discussing something he knows nothing about...

Do you really believe that vaccine keep you from SPREADING disease? Really???

Vaccines do not stop you from being a carrier of a disease!

I can't believe I am responding to this. Why do people spread hearsay when in reality, they know so little?
Posted by abitcrunchy
17th Feb 2010
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"Critics have called Dr. Offit Dr. Profit because he made money from his discoveries. "

Made money? How bout you put it into perspective and tell us how much he made. How much did he make while simultaneously sitting on the very committee who is commissioned to decide how many vaccines, which vaccines and how many boosters every child is this country is to have?
Posted by abitcrunchy
17th Feb 2010
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"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
Posted by Doctor two cents
17th Feb 2010
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lol Doctor Two Cents... "Stand aside please". You are hilarious! Show me how those studies have been "debunked" please. happy
Posted by AvaTara539
17th Feb 2010
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Ps my first and middle name ARE Ava and Tara... I'm not sure why this is so difficult for pro vax people to grasp, but I've never had an interpretation mistake from my anti vaccine friends and acquaintances.
Posted by AvaTara539
17th Feb 2010
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Dana, nobody ever said there could not be other environmental sources contributing to cases of Autism but it's a blatant fallacy to state "but it isn't vaccines", there is insufficient research to suggest that is the case, and to say there's no way it's vaccines contributing to the increase is nothing more than promoting a government agenda which does NOT have our childrens best interests in mind but it's own pocket books.

How else do you explain that the US recommends 20 doses more vaccinations from birth through five than the WHO's top 35 countries for birth through five mortality and 20 doses more vaccinations for the WHO's top 35 countries for overall health? While the rest of the world largely supports the "basic" vaccinations it has flatly refused to keep increasing the doses to such an obscene amount as the US has. And it's not giving us a lower rate of vaccinated diseases either.

And like I said, since you seem to check this from time to time, any actual evidence of this grandiose statement about all this financial power and political connections the anti vaccine crowd apparently has and all of our affect on public policy? I'm deeply intrigued to find out what data this opinion sprang from.
Posted by AvaTara539
17th Feb 2010
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*than
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17th Feb 2010
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RE: Energizing the silent majority for vaccines
Avatar: "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
Posted by Doctor two cents
17th Feb 2010
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Not too bright are you? You can't even figure out my name. Quoting Shakespeare is a half witted distraction as well... when writing in your own voice you show conclusively that you are a dullard.

As the pro vaccine folks love to say on these forums: Put up (the data) or shut up.
Posted by AvaTara539
17th Feb 2010
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Oh and Dana, "99% effective against a disease that's 75% deadly is a very fair trade-off." what vaccinations for what diseases are you talking about here???
Posted by AvaTara539
17th Feb 2010
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AvaTara539
I'm talking about numbers. The reason parents are free to ignore
vaccinations today is that those diseases have been made rare (within
the developed world) by vaccines.

Those who forget this history will be doomed to repeat it. Blanket
condemnations of vaccinations are pure Ludd in my book.

Vaccination science has been around for hundred of years and has
gotten better with time. This pushback against it is, to my way of
thinking, insane. And it's dangerous to my family, because it
threatens to bring back dread diseases in deadlier form. We have
already had extensive outbreaks of diseases like measles that had
been eradicated in the U.S. And the only reason malaria still exists
is because of ignorance about vaccines in remote areas of Africa,
from which the disease may one day spread and threaten your children.

This is one area where ignorance is madness.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
19th Feb 2010
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That is absolutely not true, Dana, vaccinations have never eradicated any disease! Relying on that LIE as an excuse for the failure of vaccinations in present days at disease prevention (and using that excuse to ignore the very real dangers of vaccines) is the real area where ignorance is madness.

You are making statements about numbers and figures where you have no real knowledge. You are not a true journalist and have no sense of objectivity. You make blatant lies about "power" the anti vaccine community has over public policy, politicians, and how well funded the movement is, all of which are completely wrong and you have no evidence to suggest otherwise. You make the statement that 99% efficacy of vaccines for diseases that are 75% deadly. Oh come on! Even Measles is nowhere near that! Mumps, Rubella, Chickenpox, Diarrhea, HPV... you're telling us that 75% of the time these diseases are deadly?

THAT is the madness of ignorance, sir! You think we should risk permanent brain damage for our children for these mild childhood illnesses! And btw my child is no threat to your family or anyone elses because herd immunity is a complete crock. Again, any evidence to support your points otherwise would called JOURNALISM.

This is an opinion article, a marketing PR boost for big pharma and Dr Profitt, but it has not gone unanswered by those more educated than you are (clearly).
Posted by AvaTara539
20th Feb 2010
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Posted by AvaTara539
20th Feb 2010
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Doug
AvaTara539,

Correlation does not prove causation. You learn this day 1 in any serious biology class, yet you have correlated autism to vaccines. The number of pirates in the world has decreased since the 1800's, do you agree? Well, the average global temperature has been increasing. There, a direct inverse relationship. It's proof!

Ava, you also said, "Doctor two cents, there is already sufficient evidence that genetics alone or better reporting standards cannot account for the incidence of Autism in the United States, that it must be from SOME environmental factor."

I am a geneticist. If you would be kind enough to inform the field of the genes in play with autism, we would love to know. Thank you in advance.

We have absolutely zero evidence as to what causes autism. The only thing we do know is that vaccines are most likely not the answer based on hundreds and hundreds of studies. The only study that correlated vaccines to autism was recently retracted...
Posted by doug6
23rd Feb 2010
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Ava,

Please show me the last case of Polio and small pox.
Posted by doug6
23rd Feb 2010
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AvaTara539,

Also, if you would like to inform the field of biology of all of the possible splicing variants for each gene, we would like to know this as well. It would surely answer your autism question. Thanks in advance.
Posted by doug6
23rd Feb 2010
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AvaTara539
Vaccines have failed to eliminate diseases because they have not been
universally applied. The Carter Center has been working for years to
get malaria vaccine into the poorest parts of Africa.

What is beyond doubt is that many diseases that were once common and
deadly are nearly unknown in the developed world, and would stay
unknown were it not for the LIE told by fools like you, that up is
down and wrong is right and vaccines somehow don't work even when we
know they do.

I had measles as a kid. I also had mumps, and rubella. My kids
didn't. Most kids their age didn't. Because most kids are vaccinated.

Your argument is trumped by the evidence.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
24th Feb 2010
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Looks like you're still alive today, Dana! wink These diseases we vaccinate for are mild in developed nations like the US and deadly in nations with other conditions affecting outcome of disease (poor hygiene, sanitation and nutrition). The vaccine implementation strategies in developing nations has failed so horribly that now the studies used to "prove" how much they work are relying on false data like "annualized mortality averages" and "natural history models" and give no actual information on specific vaccine implementation strategies in the regions they actually went to. Recently UNICEF's total failure with the measles vaccine in 11 west african countries to reduce morbidity was something of notice and a good example... vaccinations have never eradicated any diseases but they sure are permanently disabling and killing a lot of American infants and children.
Posted by AvaTara539
26th Feb 2010
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Also to Doug the geneticist, apparently you didn't read any of the studies I posted that show a causation did you? HUH wink The "corelation is not causation" is the most frequently repeated propaganda ******** argument the pro vaccine camp has about Autism and vaccines, next to of course "it's genetic!"... pffft. "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GENETIC EPIDEMIC." happy

As for Polio and Smallpox, smallpox was eventually eradicated (largely eradicated anyway) through improvements in hygiene sanitation and nutrition, much like typhoid was (and there was no vaccine for that, surprise surprise). Polio I could show you thousands of people with paralytic polio as a result of the OPV vaccine in third world countries right this second...
Posted by AvaTara539
26th Feb 2010
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Hey Kwickset -

Check out this link:
http://www.malariavaccine.org/malvac-overview.php

BTW, it's spelled Vioxx. Calling someone ignorant is more
effective if you spell correctly.
Posted by jendonahue
10th May 2010
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