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Big Mother gets her shot at cutting health costs

By | April 6, 2010, 9:23 AM PDT

Regardless of your position on the new health care law, its success will depend on whether government, employers, the professions, and IT can combine to create a wellness revolution.

The stimulus funded that revolution. The reform bill merely raises the stakes for it.

The aim of the $19.2 billion in HITECH money, and the whole effort of the health IT industry, is to give people the data they need to stay well, along with the coaching they need to make use of it and change habits.

The approach has had results. Duke University cut its expected costs $30 million within a few years through a program of personalized medicine and wellness coaching. Patients were happier, too.

Corporations are now getting behind this approach. They were the buy-side of the health care equation before reform, and they still are after reform. They want to save money, and now they have incentives and tools, says PriceWaterhouseCoopers.

The problem, as former Duke Chancellor Ralph Snyderman (now with Proventys) explained to me, is that sellers of services — hospitals, clinics, drug companies, device providers — have no incentive to support this approach. It costs them money.

It works even better if everyone is in the pool, he added. Health costs should look like a bathtub, as Mark Kajdos of Pragmate explained. They never fall to zero, they peak at the start and end of life. Under health reform reimbursement systems should reflect this.

Support for this approach was tucked into the health care law. The FDA gets more authority, everybody gets an annual check-up, chain restaurants must post calorie counts and (perhaps most important) employers can save 30% on your insurance cost by sponsoring wellness programs.

Opponents of reform called this Big Brother and Big Government, but there’s another term for it no one has mentioned, anywhere in the long drawn-out debate.

Mothering.

Eat your carrots. Stop smoking. Get some exercise. Stop the binge drinking. Sit up straight. Find someone nice. Sound familiar?

Every piece of advice in the wellness revolution corresponds to what your mother told you growing up and what, if you’re lucky, she’s still telling you.

What has changed is you will now have the data your own mother does, your employer has financial incentives to push you toward change, and access to services is now guaranteed to everyone.

Big Brother? Uh-uh. Health care reform is Big Mother.

Author’s Note: A thumbnail of the illustration originally used with this post, Chris Buzelli’s “Big Mother,” has been removed after a complaint by its original author. I felt I was using the illustration in question under the fair use provisions of U.S. copyright law. (Further reading and analysis here.) In response to the string of comments below, I wrote about the subject in a post at Thinking Tech today. I would like to personally apologize to all who were offended by my actions or words.

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You called that one right!
I eat my carrots. I never smoked. I exercise every day. I never binge drank. I sit up straight and I found someone nice. And I've lived the benefits of all of that, both physically and financially. By most standards, that makes me an adult.

But now that we're moving closer to a true socialized system, everyone else's health actually now becomes everyone else's business.
If I am going to be made to pay for your health care, your health becomes my business. A few minutes of sampling some of the more progressive blogs quickly exposes the fascist fantasies of the wanna-be health nazis.

So look out progressives, because you're going to what you've been asking for and more. Big mother is not just going to be in everyone else's business, but will serve to convert us to a nation of perpetual infants, just like she has done to most of socialized Europe.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
6th Apr 2010
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JohnMcGrew@...
There you go again. Whatever one can say about Europe's current
problems, the fact that people have health care available to them isn't
on the list.

Ooooooh, Europe, scary. Scary Europe.

Not scared. Not scared of Europe, not scared of Canada, not scared of
Japan. I'm simply not scared any more.

Your "Europe scary" argument is starting to remind me of the problem of
the monsters in Monsters Inc. You know the solution to that? Laugh is
10 times more powerful than scare.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
6th Apr 2010
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RE: Big Mother gets her shot at cutting health costs
Please remove my illustration (Big Mother) from your site immediately. You do not have permission to steal my work to illustrate your article. It makes it very difficult to make a living and charge others for my work when others, like you, use my work for free. This image was purchased and used by another company for a separate article and I own the copyright. I can't believe that you didn't even have the courtesy to ask for permission. Shame on you CBS!
Chris Buzelli
Posted by buzelli
6th Apr 2010
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Don't be surprised, buzelli
Progressives have absolutely no compulsion against the free acquisition
of other people's property for their own use, especially when it's in
the name of the "greater good".

And Dana, Europe's greatest problem is that socialism has destroyed
their will to be great. They've only been able to spend the last half-
century gazing at their own navel because they ceded the role of
superpower to the US. No it looks like the US is about to do the same.
I wonder who is going to take our former role as "superpower"?
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
6th Apr 2010
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Big Mother gets her shot at cutting health costs by neutering the individua
Dana, the thing about being and adult with a mother is that it is no longer necessary to run to her for advice nor her to you to offer it every time you need to do something. It is the responsibility of the adult to think and act for themselves and if your mother did her job there is not the need for her to remind you. Perhaps those victimized by ?liberated? mothers who did not what to be shackled with the traditional motherly duties of cooking a proper meal while being too aloof or too afraid to allow their children to grow up with the skills necessary to become independent adults seems to have created a nation of people unable to cope for themselves.

Being free, mature and responsible has its price, it called taking ownership and being accountable for your actions and not the actions of others. If we acted more like adults instead of mothered children we would be far more productive and our government less intrusive. How do you think immigrants who arrived without extended families or their mothers mothering them succeeded in the U.S. or Canada?

The Canadian health care system which you have chosen to ignore is a great example of what the U.S system could have chosen to follow. There is a good mix of freedom, personal accountability and collective societal assistance. Then again the people and not the drug companies created that system with the (private) Bank of Canada required to fund it interest free. If there was greater economies of scale and scope the great Canada system could have (one of) the best health care systems in the world. This could have been achieved if the U.S adopted that model. Win win for both.
Posted by mario@...
7th Apr 2010
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buzelli
The picture has been removed. However, I want you and every artist to
know the following:

1. It's easy to watermark any Web illustration if you don't want it
copied. You leave it in the clear, you're giving permission.
2. I made a thumbnail. I didn't "steal" the picture. I linked to the
original, gave you credit, and tried to bring you business.
3. I will also remove all references to you from the story, quid pro
quo.

This idea that one must gain permission before doing what comes
naturally on the Web has to end. You have the tools to stop it. Use
them.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
7th Apr 2010
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mario@...
I have written about th4e Canadian system before and will again.

The current reforms aim to bring data and human connections to bear on
topics that are personal and intimate, like our habits. Even adults
with mothers have relationships with them, and those mothers don't just
ignore our bad habits.

At least mine doesn't.
Posted by DanaBlankenhorn
7th Apr 2010
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re: Buzellli
Dear Dana,

1. Thanks for the info on the watermarks. However, how does a watermark stop the user from using the image? That little symbol and info doesn't solve that problem at all. Just because my images appear on the internet, does not mean that you can use them for your own use (with or without watermark). However, I'm curious about your thoughts. Why would a watermark stop you from using someone's property without permission?

2. Call it what you want. When someone takes my property (images) without my permission, I call it stealing. And just because you gave the artist credit doesn't give you permission to use their image for your use. I get to choose where my images are used. What if I disagreed with your article? If so, I wouldn't want my image associated with your opinion. Also, thanks for your gesture of "bringing me business" but you used my image for free. I don't need anymore "free" business.

I illustrate for a living. Clients pay me for exclusive use of my paintings. Using my image for free dilutes the exclusive use and so dilutes the fee. People and companies like you are making it difficult for illustrators/artists to earn a living wage from their profession. I hope you can understand this. It seems that journalists and illustrators are in a very similar industry and are going through a very similar economic situation.

Chris Buzelli
Posted by buzelli
7th Apr 2010
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Leo Espinosa
I agree with Chris Buzelli.
We (illustrators) make a living from selling our images and print is no longer the main buyer for our work. The fact that the web makes it easy to just take them and re-use them without permission or compensation doesn't make it right.

Respectfully,

Leo Espinosa
Posted by Leo Espinosa
7th Apr 2010
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Copyright Infringement IS breaking the law
What a condescending and ill informed response to Chris Buzelli's request to removing his image from your web article. He could have gone to a lawyer first and have ensnared CBS and you in a copyright infringement case but instead just asked. Your response bemoans the law and the inconvenience of having to comply with it.
Content is valuable and for someone who for the most part makes a living selling the content he provides, you offer a myopic view of the necessity to protect one's content.

Tim O'Brien
Vice-President
The Society of Illustrators, NYC
Posted by tonkacash
7th Apr 2010
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RE: Big Mother gets her shot at cutting health costs
What Tim O'Brien has written is dead on. (Full disclosure- I also serve on Board at the Society of Illustrators)

The vast universe of the internet makes lifting content incredibly easy. Sometimes it is done in ignorance, sometimes with good intentions, but your response indicates a certain callousness that I'm certain you would be hard pressed to accept were it to happen to you.

BTW, there are plenty of ways to remove watermarks. My techie master friends seem to know them all. Watermarks mean nothing to someone whose intent is to lift content without compensation. You're also lucky the publication for which the illustration first appeared didn't see the image first. They don't really cotton to reuse without reprint fees.

Victor Juhasz
Posted by JUHASZV
7th Apr 2010
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RE: Big Mother gets her shot at cutting health costs
"I made a thumbnail. I didn't "steal" the picture. I linked to the
original, gave you credit, and tried to bring you business."

Posting the image on your site, without permission from the copyright holder, is theft. US Copyright law clearly defines it as such. "Credit" and a link are meaningless without pre-negotiated payment for the license, and the penalties for that infringement are significant. The burden of the law doesn't rest with the copyright holder, but with the person seeking to use what they didn't create themselves.

"This idea that one must gain permission before doing what comes naturally on the Web has to end."

It's not clear to me how you pay your bills, Dana, but I suspect ZDNet and SmartPlanet aren't paying you for your writing or you'd have a different perspective on the value of intellectual property. It's a wonderful world you live in, where everything is free for the taking and all that's required is a pat on the back as you walk out the door with the goods. Try it next time you're at a restaurant or department store and let us know how it works out.
Posted by marcart
7th Apr 2010
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if yuo walked into my un locked home and walked off with my TV, it is theft.

copyright law doesn't entitle you to help yourself to any image on the assunption that it's free to use unless you are told otherwise. It doesn't even have to be defended.

good thing your opinion to the contrary really dooesn't coubt for muceh


Bruce Jensen
Posted by Bruce Jensen
7th Apr 2010
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RE: Big Mother gets her shot at cutting health costs
posted in haste, and I filled it with poor spelling and grammar, but I'm really apalled at your standards of fair use Dana.
Posted by Bruce Jensen
7th Apr 2010
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RE: Big Mother gets her shot at cutting health costs
Dana, I can imagine that as a blogger you feel you don't have the time to negotiate image rights with an actual person.
I would recommend in the future using sites such as gettyimages.com or istockphoto.com to quickly and legally acquire images for use on your blog.
Posted by chesternathan
7th Apr 2010
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RE: Big Mother gets her shot at cutting health costs
From the Terms of Service for this site:
You may not modify, publish, transmit, participate in the transfer or sale of, reproduce, create derivative works of, distribute, publicly perform, publicly display, or in any way exploit any of the materials or content on our sites in whole or in part. If you would like to request permission to use any of the content on our sites, please review our copyright notice page.

Funny you can't show other people the same courtesy you expect of them.
Posted by khperkins
7th Apr 2010
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Hi Dana,

As far as getting permission to use illustrations with your
articles, why do you even need illustrations in the first place? If
you feel that without the images your articles would not make you as
much money, that should immediately clue you in to the value of said
images.

As far as whether a 200 pixel reproduction of a larger piece is
concerned, the question is not whether you can call it "art", but
whether you're profiting off of someone else's work. My stance is
that if you need to include even "thumbnails" of a person's work in
your articles to make money, then you are in fact profiting off of
this person's work. Without permission. In violation of U.S.
copyright law.

An artist like Chris Buzelli does not need you to "publicize" them.
You don't come across as somebody with strong ties to the art
community or as someone with any kind of sway with those who
actually purchase art. If you would like to try and spin it that you
were attempting to do poor Chris Buzelli a favor, that's completely
up to you.

You need to recognize that you can't legally pluck copyrighted
images from wherever you please. Some alternative sites have been
suggested, and that's a start. But the real issue is your
understanding of the law when it comes to an individual's legally
protected work.

Jack Kendree
Posted by mcleankendree
7th Apr 2010
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Dana--I guess my biggest question to you is with all this time that you spend on
the Internet--why didn't you just put Chris's name into google, you would have
found him very easily and been able to ask for his permission.
Dana--here is something you should know about the law-- the moment an artist
creates ANYTHING visual?paintings, drawings, photographs, sculptures, etc?the
only person who is allowed to copy that art is the artist themselves. If anyone else
uses their art without the artist's written permission, the artist has the right to take
them to court and sue for damages.
As the Director of the Society of Illustrators, I am quite passionate about the illegal
use of art. Your response is immature and as a respected journalist for so many
years you should know better.
Anelle Miller
Director, Society of Illustrators
Posted by anelle
7th Apr 2010
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"Big Mother" points out that he is paid to write, not illustrate, his articles, but that without the illustrations he uses he would likely not be able to make any money. Here is a disconnect- he acknowledges that the illustrations add tangible monetary value to his writing, but he doesn't feel that he should be obligated to pay for them, or even to ask permission.
Another disconnect is that he is using the art in a way that the artist has no control over- which is one of the reasons we have a copyright law. Chris work is (was) being used to support an idea that neither Chris or the original client may support. It could be an health care rant, cigarette advertisement, or any other use- the copyright holder has the right to determine HOW the image is used.
Somehow this author understands that HIS work has monetary value as intellectual property, but thinks that other people's work is there for him to use as he sees fit- without paying or asking.
Posted by huntstudio
7th Apr 2010
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I work for the marketing department of printing company. We see hundreds and thousands of impressive photos, illustrations and pieces of artwork come off our press. We don't just have access to thumbnails but hi-res files that we could use to print posters and whatever else we could dream up.

However...

If our creative team wants to use an image for one of our own promotions, we contact the owner of the image and not only ask for permission, but often trade printing credit for a written and signed release. On our promotional piece, we then clearly state their name and website address. That's how WE give an artist credit and hopefully drive some business their way.

Also, typically, we can get the whole deal squared away in 24-48 hours. If we're in a rush and luck is on our side, it can be done in 2-4 hours. Deadlines are no excuse.
Posted by AnotherWay
7th Apr 2010
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Chris Buzelli is a world famous artist, the last thing he needs is your ignorant, arrogant "link". You're very lucky he doesn't sue you, because you indeed are breaking the law by stealing his image.
Posted by Lalibela
7th Apr 2010
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Dana,
The only the thing worse than taking someone else's work
without permission in order to make yours look better, is to
then act like you've done them a favor.

By your reasoning, I could copy/paste all of your articles to my
website in order to accompany my art and it would be
legitimate because I re-hosted it.
I'll also be certain to attach your work to objectionable material
that not everyone agrees with.

Your words:
"I get paid for what I write, not for the illustrations
accompanying them. If I had to get permission for every
illustration I used I wouldn't have time to get any illustrations
on my articles and would likely not make any money."

If everyone took all the art they wanted without requesting
permission, the ARTISTS wouldn't make any money either.
Further more, you make the Artist look bad because the client
that DID pay for this illustration now wonders why they even
bothered.

A Writer that blatantly disregards copyright...
amazing.

-Dan Dos Santos
www.dandossantos.com
Posted by dsillustration
7th Apr 2010
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"The picture has been removed. However, I want you and every artist to
know the following:

1. It's easy to watermark any Web illustration if you don't want it
copied. You leave it in the clear, you're giving permission.
2. I made a thumbnail. I didn't "steal" the picture. I linked to the
original, gave you credit, and tried to bring you business.
3. I will also remove all references to you from the story, quid pro
quo.

This idea that one must gain permission before doing what comes
naturally on the Web has to end. You have the tools to stop it. Use
them."

Unbelievable. Dana, you need to consult your legal department and learn some facts, buddy.

Or maybe you'll be too late.
Posted by Lalibela
7th Apr 2010
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New levels of egotistical disregard for others and there work
going on here. Amazing considering your own source of income.

Dominick Saponaro
swashbucklestudio.com
Posted by dom@...
7th Apr 2010
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Wheres Dana?
Posted by Walter Jacott
7th Apr 2010
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Dana,

I see that you've not yet responded to the avalanche of
informed and passionate comments about your beliefs on
intellectual property.

I can only assume that this delay means that your next
response will be more carefully and intelligently thought out
before you post it.

To me, your gravest error, among many, was in your contempt.
If your comments were an attempt to wake illustrators up to
the reality that anyone can easy appropriate their images,
you're too late. We've already learned that for anyone who
wants to ignore the value of another's intellectual property,
yourself included, it's quite easy to break the law.
Posted by brianstauffer
7th Apr 2010
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How would you like it if we took your text and used it without your permission to go along with our images?

I bet not to well. But that is essentially what you are claiming you have the right to do do with our work. And instead of graciously apologizing you are further branding yourself as a jerk by blaming us for you stealing the work in the first place.

Just because alot of people do something does not make it legal!
Posted by KatGirlStudio
7th Apr 2010
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From a Writer's Perspective
Most of the commenters I've seen here have been artists and illustrators. Allow me to add the voice of a published writer to list of appalled readers.

I once had a story "appropriated" and published on a site that I found objectionable. The thief gave many of the same arguments that you did: it's on the Internet, and I should just deal with the fact that it is now public property. Not to mention, the thief had made minor changes to my story (thus making it hers, she said) and linked to me as the "inspiration," so I should be grateful.

Hardly. Nor would you be if some unknown hack who considered himself (or herself) a writer stole your work. We have copyright law because artists (both visual and written) have a right to profit from their work.

Above all, just because theft is easy doesn't make it right. Show a little integrity.
Posted by angelaperry
7th Apr 2010
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we have a response! check it out

http://www.smartplanet.com/technology/blog/thinking-tech/keeping-your-images-off-smartplanet-or-anywhere-else/3684/?tag=content;col1

too bad he didn't have the balls to post it anywhere on this blog we would expect to actually find it.
Posted by zelee
7th Apr 2010
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Dana, just look for creative commons licensed images.
Posted by plasmon
7th Apr 2010
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This level of stupidity, callousness, ignorance of the law, and sheer unprofessionalism goes beyond the wildest fantasies of self-referential egotism. I hope someone does in fact sue the next time this happens.

To blog it up (and not remark on the fact until @zelee noted it) just digs his hole even deeper.


Rename it "Stupid Planet" if they keep this jerk on the job.
Posted by LibrarianCreative
7th Apr 2010
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Look for images marked "creative commons"
use sites that OFFER stock photography/images.

In the real world I lost the ability to sell some of my
photos (which cost me something to produce since one of my
subjects are the cats I've trained to follow cues so I can photograph them.) especially can't sell "exclusive rights" because someone copied them off MY website, for a blog.

IMHO if I can't sell my work, and someone else gets PAID for using it. (even if paid for the Tshirt and not specifically the graphic) It IS stealing.
Posted by tkhadro
7th Apr 2010
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"Progressives have absolutely no compulsion against the free acquisition
of other people's property for their own use, especially when it's in
the name of the "greater good"."

I could use a new car. Guess I'll just head on down to the local car lot and take one. If the dealership has a problem with it, I'll just tell 'em, "Hey, don't worry...I'll tell everyone where I got it. I'm doing you a favour, jerks!"

Besides, they shouldn't be surprised...I'M A PROGRESSIVE.

- Scott Chantler
Posted by Scott Chantler
7th Apr 2010
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Dana Blankenhorn
Hi Dana. I just punched your mom in the face. What? She's got the
tools to defend herself! If she didn't want to get punched in the
face she could have made a plaster of paris helmet (dumbass).
Posted by DanaIsAThief
7th Apr 2010
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Hi Dana. I've taken the liberty of posting your article on my
website. It's a good article, and I'm enjoying getting the advertising
revenue from it. Don't worry?I linked to your site, so I'm helping
you promote yourself! You're welcome!
Posted by saagpaneer
7th Apr 2010
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Interesting
He has a twitter account. it is
@danablankenhorn where he professes to have apologized publically and privately, although still blathering on about educating on copyright, however he tagged @bucelli instead of @buzelli

Accident or intentional. You be the Judge. Either way he is still guilty of copyright infringement. And to have the audacity to try to "educate" in such a condecending manner is reprehensible.
Posted by VRamirez21
7th Apr 2010
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Don't hold your breath expecting Dana to come back here to defend himself.
His usual MO is to just move on once his ideas & arguments have been exposed as fraudulent and indefensible. If he's unsuccessful in changing the subject ( "This idea that one must gain permission before doing what comes naturally on the Web has to end. You have the tools to stop it. Use them") the most you can hope to expect is something along the lines of accusing you of being a mindless Bush-twin neocon and unworthy of further attention.
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7th Apr 2010
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I'm an illustrator as well, and ? at the risk of seeming to pile
on ? must stand with my fellow illustrators and voice my
concern regarding your contempt for (or lack of understanding
of) intellectual property rights and your arrogant,
condescending response to Chris. There's little I can say that
hasn't already been said regarding the fact that this is copyright
infringement, plain and simple. The fact that you can?t
understand or admit that boggles the mind.

Do you honestly think it?s OK to go to an illustrator?s website
and take an image without asking? Do you really believe that
unilaterally setting your own terms of ?payment? ? a credit
line ? constitutes a valid business contract and absolves you of
any wrongdoing?

Unfortunately for us illustrators, petty thieves are a dime a
dozen on the internet. What sets you apart, in light of your
apparent stature as a respectable writer who should know
better, is your abject lack of contrition, unbridled arrogance
and need to blame the artist for not protecting his work, which,
as you surely well know, is essentially unprotectable online.

As someone who earns a living as an illustrator, the culture of
online theft is bad enough, but when it comes from
professionals and and/or is combined with attitudes like yours,
it scares me.

I sincerely hope you've given this some thought and will
contemplate writing an article on "Rethinking Online Theft." It
might do us all some good.

Michael Gibbs
Posted by michaelgee
7th Apr 2010
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[Let me try that again, without smart quotes or em-
dashes]

I'm an illustrator as well, and -- at the risk of seeming to pile
on -- must stand with my fellow illustrators and voice my
concern regarding your contempt for (or lack of understanding
of) intellectual property rights and your arrogant,
condescending response to Chris. There's little I can say that
hasn't already been said regarding the fact that this is copyright
infringement, plain and simple. The fact that you can't
understand or admit that boggles the mind.

Do you honestly think it's OK to go to an illustrator's website
and take an image without asking? Do you really believe that
unilaterally setting your own terms of "payment" -- a credit
line -- constitutes a valid business contract and absolves you
of any wrongdoing?

Unfortunately for us illustrators, petty thieves are a dime a
dozen on the internet. What sets you apart, in light of your
apparent stature as a respectable writer who should know
better, is your abject lack of contrition, unbridled arrogance
and need to blame the artist for not protecting his work, which,
as you surely well know, is essentially unprotectable online.

As someone who earns a living as an illustrator, the culture of
online theft is bad enough, but when it comes from
professionals and and/or is combined with attitudes like yours,
it scares me.

I sincerely hope you've given this some thought and will
contemplate writing an article on "Rethinking Online Theft." It
might do us all some good.

Michael Gibbs
Posted by michaelgee
7th Apr 2010
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RE: Big Mother gets her shot at cutting health costs
Most artists I know can't afford health care. Maybe if all the jerks who steal their work and use it to illustrate their articles started paying for what they've ripped off, that would change.

Your defense is just sad, and if this website stands behind you, that's even worse. Thanks for lowering the bar for the use of the term "smart," Smart Planet.

- Jamie S. Rich
Posted by Jamie S. Rich
7th Apr 2010
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RE: Big Mother gets her shot at cutting health costs
Dana's own words:

" I get paid for what I write, not for the illustrations
accompanying them. If I had to get permission for every
illustration I used I wouldn't have time to get any illustrations
on my articles and would likely not make any money.

Unbelievable.
Posted by ndhill
7th Apr 2010
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Undervaluing Artists
This is exactly the type of mindset that makes it difficult for
Illustrators and other creative professionals to demand fair rates
for their work.

Cheers to the artists who have come to add their voices to the
conversation.

Thomas James
Escape From Illustration Island
Posted by Thomas James
7th Apr 2010
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RE: Big Mother gets her shot at cutting health costs
The world is not your personal eye candy store, dude. Take some responsibility for your actions, and use a stock image service to illustrate your articles. It's just NOT that hard to do the right thing!
Posted by seriouscrafter
7th Apr 2010
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RE: Big Mother gets her shot at cutting http://community.smartphealth costs
Dana, Have you gone abroad or something?
Posted by zanderkreutz
7th Apr 2010
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RE: Big Mother gets her shot at cutting health costs
I really can't add anything that hasn't already been said, but you are a thief. "This idea that one must gain permission before doing what comes naturally on the Web has to end. You have the tools to stop it. Use them"...I assume you have the tools to stop stealing from other creatives and would probably like to take that back.

-Blake C Himsl Hunter
Posted by Blake Himsl Hunter
7th Apr 2010
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RE: Big Mother gets her shot at cutting health costs
Dana, no one cares about your interpretations of the laws. Fact is: you have stolen and used artworks from artists, not for the first time as you have stated yourself.
It left a bad taste of disappointment in seeing this sort of behavior from someone your age,
It is not like your are some 5 year old who simply does not know better, stealing someone?s artwork to beautify his little homepage, no, you are stealing IPs to benefit your profits.

Do you think you could run by offering a waiter to spread word about the good meal for exposure instead of actually paying for the food? No? For how stupid do you hold Artists then?
You are very lucky not to have tried this with my IPs.

Randis
HD-Fortress.com
Posted by Randis Albion
7th Apr 2010
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RE: Big Mother gets her shot at cutting health costs
You don?t mind if I use your Photo for some articles about Art theft , do you? It is ok, because you have no watermark on it!
Thanks!

Cheers
Randis
HD-Fortress.com
Posted by Randis Albion
7th Apr 2010
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RE: Big Mother gets her shot at cutting health costs
You are surely not the only one that feels this way about grabbing images for your own profit. That's what scares us image creators. As you can see, we illustrators help each other out. Let's just see you try to use an illustration free of charge for your own profits. We will all be watching. Here is a something temping for you. Use any of these for free I dare you! My work is even on this database.
http://www.profilestock.com/

Oh and since your portrait is not watermarked I guess I can use it on my FB page and blog. Oh don't worry I give you a link and credit!

Thanks!
Jay
Posted by Jay Montgomery
7th Apr 2010
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RE: Big Mother gets her shot at cutting health costs
Big Mother and Big Government are the same thing. Why do you think the called Soviet/Communist Russia, Mother Russia. It was because of the Big Government and it's big involvement in people's lives. So whatever you call it, Big Mother or Big Government, it's still unwanted intrusion into people's lives....at a big cost.
Posted by garbage_water
7th Apr 2010
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Copyright issues
Thank goodness Tim O'Brien said it first. What an ignorant view point.

First of all, artists should not have to hide their work behind watermarks, it is actually a deterrent for people trying to buy online as they can not see the whole product they are purchasing. Just because something is not watermarked it is not fair game. Stealing is stealing

Second of all, even by giving him credit you are still stealing the use of the image which he didn't agree to.

Just because it is more accessible does not mean that "getting permission to use it needs to stop." It makes it even more important.

It's people spreading ignorance and unethical business practices that make it so hard to be an artist.

It's not difficult to just email someone and ask permission.

Elisha Dasenbrock
www.limitedpalette.com/blog
Posted by limitedpalette
7th Apr 2010
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