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Flight 2.0 proposes radical change in air travel

By | January 19, 2011, 2:00 AM PST

How much longer can our current model of air transportation remain sustainable? In answering that question, Paul Wylde, creative director for Teague’s Aviation Studio (a design consultant to Boeing) developed a concept called Flight 2.0, a radical approach to flying that involves government-subsidized airships, luxuriously slow travel, exorbitant fees for flying as fast as we do today, and less dependence on fossil fuel.

Flight 2.0 changes the way we think about flying. In Wylde’s scenario, commercial flight as we know it today becomes restricted, controlled and too expensive for the majority of travelers. Most of us would travel on a slow-moving, cruise-like airship, taking days to get to a destination that today we could reach in hours.

Why turn the industry upside down like this? According to Wylde, in our recent conversation, we don’t have a choice. “We have one more generation,” he says, “before we run out of gas.”

Tell me how you came up with Flight 2.0.

I was the head of design at British Airways, and I worked on the last ever Concorde refit. Concorde used to travel at twice the speed of sound, and when you design for aviation, the constant battle is to save weight. There’s an irony there, because passengers have an expectation of comfort on board, so designers are always trying to do that with less weight.

With Concorde, there was a deliberate mantra of 20 percent weight reduction. When you reduce pounds of fuel, airlines save millions of dollars. I always had this fascination with how design can deliver beauty while reducing weight.

[Teague has] had the Boeing account for more than 60 years. We’re industrial designers. Sustainability is the single most crucial issue driving mankind over then next 100 years, and we are learning, like every other industry, what sustainability is and how we can have a voice. We’re finding designing is a catalyst. It’s no longer thinking green, it’s thinking blue—which is new ideas.

The basic narrative for Flight 2.0 was conceived at the end of 2009, and then a few months later I saw A Crude Awakening on Netflix, and it really, really shook me. Depending on what you read, we have 1,000 years of gas left and 60 to 70 years of minable petroleum left. We just keep drinking gas like there’s no tomorrow, and it’s scary. It takes 10 years to design a plane, and generally it runs for 30 years. So we have one more generation of aircraft before we run out of gas. China receives a new plane every two days for the next 20 years, if they fulfill all their orders—a combination of Boeing, Airbus, a couple Brazilian aircraft, private aircraft. I got this from CNN.

So how does your concept solve the problem of flying and fuel supply?

I developed a very provocative thought piece which we call 2.0. The main narrative is the running out of gas. The second thing is that people have the expectation of speed: Whatever you want you can have it immediately—to eat, to watch on TV, to own. That, in my opinion, is a forced expectation. It’s changed our values.

It’s unnatural to fly from New York to Los Angeles in five hours—it’s not a sustainable expectation or demand. Traveling fast is a luxury, and it’s an unsustainable luxury. But it is a natural urge to want to travel. The problem is we are running out of gas.

The whole of the aviation ecosystem has a responsibility in this. In Flight 2.0, we started with government. Government always has had a fundamental voice in aviation and the infrastructure of air travel–saying who is allowed to land where, who can fly over what air space, the flow of oil around this planet. And governments are slowly starting to play the role of an advisor, advising on how we eat, how we consume.

So we’re suggesting governments–in maybe 30 years time—restrict 80 percent of air travel, which at the moment would upset everyone in the industry. You will be able to fly, but you will have to do it in a different way. We want to reposition the role of airships in people’s minds. Airships never really developed since a horrific accident in the early 20th century. We haven’t nailed the technology—a combination of hydrogen propulsion, solar power and fuel cell technology. The point is people will have to slow down. It’s going to take four days now to get from New York to London. People have to change their expectations.

Airship vendors where passengers would be able to buy clothing.

Airship vendors where passengers would be able to buy clothing.

There are huge opportunities for British Airways if they moved into a five-day luxury service. There becomes a blur between business and pleasure. You work, you play. If you’re going to New York on business, you might start your business on the airship and the face-to-face is the deal-signing. Because you are slowing down, the airship will have to accommodate that; it will be like a hotel.

We are suggesting governments be bold and support and fund this, so you’re encouraged not to burn fossil fuel. Because government subsidizes this service, it’s quite luxurious. You get your own cabin.

For those who need speed, say you have to get to New York in four hours, you have to apply to travel fast. We’re suggesting something like the United Nations, like applying for a visa if you want to enter a foreign country. We’re just allowing sustainability to have a major voice. If you are approved to travel fast, you can, but you have to have a really good reason. That form of travel will be very, very expensive because you are paying the price of burning fossil fuel.

Flight 2.0 is looking at the whole picture: 80 percent by airships; 20 percent by the usual fossil fuel.

Interior of Flight 2.0's fossil fuel-burning aircraft.

Interior of Flight 2.0

When people will need to fly quickly, what does that aircraft look like?

We redesigned the fuselage. We stripped out all the elements that weren’t essential. We removed the lining package to reveal all the stuff that’s hidden from you—ducts, wiring. We removed the layer of disguise in an attempt to save weight. If you go to a really cool loft apartment, cool shops, bars, restaurants, there’s a trend now in revealing. We thought, let’s reveal the mechanics of an aircraft.

We revealed the flooring beneath the aircraft as well; the seats are the bare minimum. Ironically we kind of retrieved the early days of travel—when there was a reason for every element, which is built on engineering. So how far could you push things and still have it be acceptable by travelers? It becomes a very Spartan experience, very functional. Yet you’re having to pay a huge price—$5,000 to $10,000–for speed.

And the airship experience?

Today’s first class becomes economy, but economy becomes a first class experience on the airship. It’s very luxurious, and it’s subsidized—this is how most people would travel and they would pay $1,000. We banned luggage from the aircraft. You can just take an overnight bag, and then British Airways could have clothing vending machines. People don’t like the idea of using clothes that are not their own, but that’s what we do with sheets every time we stay in a hotel. It’s adjusting that mindset.

The airship sounds like a cruise ship in the air.

That’s exactly what it is. The airship could really slow down and fly at a quite a low altitude. What a view you’ll get! An incredible way to fly. At night it could speed up. During the day you could take in the beauty that the planet has to offer. We’ve forgotten about that. Air travel has gotten so bad that you define it by the things you don’t like.

There have been a lot of ideas of airships floating around, but I don’t believe anyone has used government, energy, airlines, airports in the airline ecosystem to come up with a solution.

Passengers would have to apply to travel quickly, and the cost of doing so, burning fossil fuel, would be prohibitively expensive.

Passengers would have to apply to travel quickly, and the cost of doing so, burning fossil fuel, would be prohibitively expensive.

What technology will you use for the aircraft?

We’re suggesting a composite material much like the 787—a carbon fiber and other materials. We didn’t go into too much detail on that or the airship. It’s more about the strategy.

We developed three Ps in sustainability:

  1. Product: We need to change product, using new materials and composites to reduce weight.
  2. Politics: We need to change the political system of government air travel, and governments need to have a more important role in advancing air travel.
  3. Perception: People will have to realize that slow is beautiful.

Does this feel like a big change for you, from designing the interior of the last Concorde?

In some ways it’s very similar. You’re still trying to figure out how to save weight. [In the Concorde] we had a plan to take off all the magazines. When you think of 100 magazines, two flights a day, 365 days a year, that’s a lot of weight and a lot of fuel.

What do you see as the biggest obstacle for Flight 2.0?

The biggest obstacle will be uniting all the stakeholders, because they all promote their own self interest. Airports want to become brands; airlines are struggling in how to get their yields back; and airlines make their money through the business cabins. Basically, aviation design hasn’t dramatically changed in the last 20 years. The innovation is with very elaborate business class–seats that turn into beds. I haven’t seen any innovation in terms of sustainability, except the new composite in the 787, delayed by two years. I’d like to see some real innovation now.

One of the major barriers to innovation is certification. It is a very expensive, very complex, bureaucratic and time-consuming process—certifying new materials to make them air-worthy. Every new part you want to introduce in an aircraft has to be recertified. Everything has to be fire-tested. But then what’s the price of not getting lighter materials in the air? Sustainability may be the only way we can modernize the industry.

Did Boeing ask you to develop Flight 2.0?

No, it was truly speculative. It was a self-initiated project. But there’s no secret about the whole industry’s quest for weight reduction.

How did Boeing respond?

We haven’t formally shown it to Boeing yet.

Do you see this concept as a public-private partnership?

It has to be a public-private partnership, which I believe is a sustainable model. Sustainability is a community responsibly. I got into a passionate debate with a very, very senior engineer at Boeing. My suggestion was that sustainability is about restriction. I grew up in a [British] community where consumption is a community responsibility. Amassing stuff does not bring happiness. It’s wrong that people have three cars, four plasma screens and four houses. When I went to Whole Foods for the first time, I almost fainted—live crab, hot Mexican food, every wine you could wish for. I thought, how much longer can they keep flying in the fresh Maine lobster? How much longer is it sustainable? He passionately disagreed. He said technology will find us whatever we need.

The next 50 years will be fascinating.

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RE: Flight 2.0 proposes radical change in air travel
The business jets are widely used for business trips, which allows the traveler to travel quite faster and safer too. Also allows to visit multiple location on a same day.
http://www.247jet.com/
Posted by privatejet
19th Jan 2011
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Why?
- Today?s first class becomes economy, but economy becomes a first class experience on the airship. It?s very luxurious, and it?s subsidized -

Why does everyone with a green plan have their hand out for government money?
Posted by Hates Idiots
19th Jan 2011
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Slow Air Travel
If air travel is going to slow down to take days to go from LA to NY, then why bother flying? This would be the point where the train system can do better. My guess is that if Flight 2.0 is implemented then the well to do will fly in slow luxury while the rest are jammed into trains.
Posted by sboverie
19th Jan 2011
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We used to do the same thing with trains...
...and there is a reason we shifted to planes. Airships would be great if the purpose of my trip was to tour the earth between my starting point and my destination. The travel mode becomes part of the reason to travel. However, I have increasingly smaller chunks of time available for travel and need to get from point A to B quickly to maximize my time at my destination.

From a business perspective, I would have to be able to continue being productive during such extended travel. From a personal (vacation) perspective, I will travel more locally (likely by car) and waste more resources than if I flew to a more distant location via public transportation.
Posted by Jim Johnson
19th Jan 2011
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And then they wonder why we have such contempt for these ideas.
Once again, we have another "green" concept that is designed
around restricting consumer choice and, of course, requires a
massive government subsidy.

Don't get me wrong, I love the concept of airships, although I
really don't see them as viable today for passenger travel. When
you talk about travel in terms of days instead of hours, then you
have to accommodate for sleeping, feeding and the longer-term
care for people which also have quite high costs.

But as usual, it's the elitist coercion aspect of this that I find
offensive:

"And governments are slowly starting to play the role of an
advisor, advising on how we eat, how we consume."

What once was called out-and-out fascism is now considered hip
and "visionary". Scary.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
19th Jan 2011
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'Cause green is unsustainable
Everyone with a green plan needs government money to make their plans work because their plans don't have aren't self-sufficient. It's the greatest irony of the whole movement: the sustainable movement isn't sustainable.

I found it abhorrent that there is a growing acceptance and expectation that government will be in our lives, mandating this, restricting that, centrally manipulating our lives and economies...like some Godlike being with unlimited resources, intelligence, and foresight. Why do some among us see government as so limitlessly powerful, and capable, and so benevolent? Haven't they ever met a bureaucrat? Don't they know that government is merely a bunch of people of varying intelligence spending money that they skim off the top of productive economies? Government has no money tree and no magical powers, yet both traits are attributed to it by a number of parties: Greenies, Progressives, Liberals, some Democrats, and even the far right.
Posted by laughfactory
19th Jan 2011
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RE: Flight 2.0 proposes radical change in air travel
From: TURTLE AIRSHIPS
We are very pleased to read this article. We were especially gratified to read about the idea of using rigid materials such as carbon fiber to construct modern airships; it is precisely in line with our own technology and design; using carbon fiber and aluminum panels to build fully rigid hulled airships.
Constructing airships in this manner can change them from fair-weather only novelty aircraft; to truly viable air transport that can operate in virtually any weather.
However, we wish to point out that; building airships in such a strong way also permits much higher speeds. Past airships have moved at about -50-75mph; at Turtle Airships we are lookinng towards speeds that are between three and four times faster; 150-250mph. This is attainable, because a stronger airship no longer is susceptible to collapse if it exceeds an interior presssure; the strength of new materials allows the airship to carry much more powerful engines, even JET engines.
High fuel costs are killing aviation. Airships offer immense advantages; one of which is that they are able to fly using Solar Power alone.
We're dedicated to creating these modern airships and a global airship industry.

http://www.turtleairships.blogspot.com
Posted by turtleairships
19th Jan 2011
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RE: Flight 2.0 proposes radical change in air travel
Wylde is effectively admitting that even with radically higher prices for fuel, the flying public will not choose airships over jets. No wonder. Multi-day flights would make both business & pleasure flying impractical. Forget about democracies, they wouldn't even do this in China.
When fuel prices spike, market forces will direct funds toward tech that provides the best speed at the best price. Such as high speed rail powered by renewable energy. Like the network already under construction in China.
Posted by hoodedswan
19th Jan 2011
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RE: Flight 2.0 proposes radical change in air travel
How about this? Let's stop the Govt subsidies to Airlines, let them adjust their prices accordingly, and the market itself will self-regulate the flying. Your two scenarios are pie-in-the-sky, the reality will be somewhere in between what you suggest and the status quo. Follow through on your original article and show us what the true cost is to fly--say New York to LA--without subsidies, and using current equipment. Good start -- keep going.
Posted by CruelMcC
19th Jan 2011
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RE: Flight 2.0 proposes radical change in air travel
Traveling across the US in hours is unnatural. Unnatural? Quadruple bypass surgery is unnatural, too. Shall we drop that, too.

What a wierd idea...several days on an airship...so you are going to sit in a basic seat for a couple of days? Yeah, right. Oh, and don't forget you can't take toothpaste or just about anything else on board. Makes the Hindenberg sound luxurious.

Trains from Chicago to Oregon already take over 48 hours, so no gain there.
Many companies limit vacation to 2 weeks/year. How can you use up 4 or so of 7 days in transit?
No problemo, pack up ye olde station waggone.

What is a sure bet? Forget saving gasoline. For 60 years we've heard about it and we've done nothing. Nothing will be done until there ain't no more.
Posted by d.j.elliott@...
19th Jan 2011
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Interesting, but out of touch.
Just like high-speed trains, a properly designed airship aimed at the right market could be very successful in the USA because of the size of the country.

A lot of effort needs to go into pin pointing the market and nailing the setup the first time to make both operate successfully without subsidies.

The idea of an airship doing 150 mph, as proposed by mister turtle ships, puts it into the mid ranged market, 400 to 800 miles, where the time sacrifice would not be huge compared to the time it takes to go through a conventional airport and then fly a plane at a top speed of 500 mph for only 15 to 45 minutes.

Again, the terminal setup would be key to a smooth boarding process. Limiting luggage to small carry ons only would likely be a part of the plan to speed up movement through security.
Posted by Hates Idiots
19th Jan 2011
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Here we go again....
Ever since the Airline Deregulation Act in the late 70's, air travel has become more and more of a hassle and run by (with all due respect to the accounting profession) "beancounters".
The last thing we need is more tax-payer funded "great ideas".
Interesting times indeed.
Posted by da philster
19th Jan 2011
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RE: Flight 2.0 proposes radical change in air travel
The laws of market won't create new fossil fuel and the
government business on this change of our way of life is just
because of the regulations that should be built for this new kind
of industry. I don't see anybody starting flying airships without a
new set of rules to be followed.
Bottom line is very simple, the fuel is gonna run dry and the
options are either stop travelling or find alternative ways. It does
not need to be airships, but changes for sure. My friend
commuting from San Diego, California to Cary, North Carolina will
have to review his arrangements...
Maybe a lot of more business' meetings will be done remotely,
and a lot of more working-from-home is gonna take place.
Forget about the unnatural thing... I the beginning of last century,
somebody told travelling faster than 20 miles per hour (the speed
good horses could do with the chariots on that time...) were also
unnatural. We humans push our limits, and we like going faster.
Posted by FuzzyIce
19th Jan 2011
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RE: Flight 2.0 proposes radical change in air travel
If The Venus Project, or similar was implemented - with a Resource
Based Economy. This would be quite except-able, since most ppl
would not need to work. Watch Zeigeist Adendum if your want to
know more! (Free to watch online via youtube etc. or from the
Zeitgeistmovement website.
Posted by antennamandan@...
19th Jan 2011
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RE: Flight 2.0 proposes radical change in air travel
Hey,
I think some of the assumptions upon which flight 2.0 are based are incorrect. We are not running out of fuel. We are (maybe) running our of oil. We have more natural gas than we know what to do with. We are finally creating jet fuel for the US military, using "Bio Fuel" resources. I think that an alternative fuel approach will be more acceptable and practical than slowing down travel. The whole reason that people were willing to pay excessive prices for riding on the SST was their need 'their need" to get someplace ASAP. We have already throttled back air travel across the pond, increasing travel time and saving tons of fuel in the process. I'm betting that technological advances will make air 2.0 obsolete before its time, which I think is never.
Posted by PSFTGURU@...
19th Jan 2011
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RE: Flight 2.0 proposes radical change in air travel
I find it laughable that people are offended by government intervention into their lives, yet when there is a catastrophe, the first thing they criticize is government for lack of foresight in preventing it and action in dealing with it. Make up your minds. If you don't want the government to mandate your lives, then stop living stupidly and burning fossil fuel like it's an infinite resource that has no effect on the planet. People show no sign of willingness to avoid the catastrophe they are heading for, so eventually it will require someone's intervention or it won't be avoided.
Posted by pgagliardi@...
19th Jan 2011
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RE: Flight 2.0 proposes radical change in air travel
I'm thinking if you want to go very far that a sub-orbital ballistic craft is probably the best way. You can get anywhere in the world in less than a couple of hours that way.

The price of petroleum based fuel is going to make air travel very expensive in the future unless we can develop a reasonable cost and high enough volume bio-fuel to replace it.
Posted by riverat1
19th Jan 2011
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A problem that will solve itself.
Sooner or later, oil will become scares and very expensive. At
that point, producers will develop alternatives and consumers will
purchase them. For various reasons, progressives wish this to
happen artificially. Usually, the forced solution is far worse for
taxpayers and consumers.

And @pgagliardi@, I think you will find that those who "are
offended by government intervention into their lives" are not
the same people who criticize is government for lack of
foresight in preventing it and action in dealing" with disasters.

Usually, those who do the most complaining are the ones already
mostly dependent upon government for control of their lives.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
19th Jan 2011
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RE: Flight 2.0 proposes radical change in air travel
How safe are airships? Fine as long as the weather leaves you alone. For some vivid examples of what can happen, read up on the following US Navy airships "Shenandoah", "Akron", and "Macon".
Posted by JakeRader
19th Jan 2011
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RE: Flight 2.0 proposes radical change in air travel
This is true and will happen within the next few years, my only comment is speed, this is why the Dynalifter is the way forward because the speed will be reasonable and you will enjoy the benefits of the airship please check this link
http://airshipcraft.co.uk/changingtheworld.aspx
Posted by Amoraa
20th Jan 2011
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Continue Trip upward to 16miles and then coast.
Current travel time from 'Southern California flight experiments'
has a travel time of 14 minutes 'Calif to New York' at 16 miles up.
less than 3 minutes up and down. the rest is travel time.

That is 14 minutes vs 5 hrs of fuel burning.

Amen
Posted by Donald.Nagy@...
20th Jan 2011
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As much as I might love this....
...I don't think Airships are coming back. Can we even produce enough lift gas to replace passenger jet aircraft? You'd have to be a REALLY bad shot to miss one with a SAM or even a standard AA gun.

It would be awesome to finally use the airship pylon in the Empire State Building though.
Posted by ShockMe
20th Jan 2011
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RE: Flight 2.0 proposes radical change in air travel
We have enough lift gas to keep airships going for at least the next 500 years, and the Dynalifter does not need a pylon please check this link
http://airshipcraft.co.uk/frequentquestions.aspx
Posted by Amoraa
20th Jan 2011
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Lifting body..
DYNALIFTER / TURTLE SHIPS AND OTHER LIFTING BODY/SMALL WING HARD SHELL DESIGNS ARE PROBABLY WHERE AIRSHIPS WILL GO IN THE FUTURE.

IF YOU CAN MAKE A DESIGN THAT IS VSTOL CAPABLE WITH A HEAVY LOAD YOU ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR FIXED PYLONS AND POTENTAILLY MAKE IT MORE COMPATABLE WITH CURRENT AIRPORT DESIGNS.

AS ONE OTHER PRSON MENTIONS, MAYBE THE THOUGHT WOULD BE TO FLOAT INTO THE JET STREAM AND TAKE A RIDE TO GAIN SPEED, AT LEAST COMING EAST. WEST BOUND TRIPS COULD BE AT LOWER ALTITUDES AND SLOWER SPEEDS.
Posted by Hates Idiots
20th Jan 2011
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Lifting body
please review the link, I am sure you will then change your mind
http://airshipcraft.co.uk/frequentquestions.aspx
Posted by Amoraa
20th Jan 2011
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Didn't we just have an article on SmartPlanet...
...about how we're running out of helium? In fact, I believe it was
suggested that we have far less helium for a fleet of airships than
we have oil to continue running airlines.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
20th Jan 2011
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RE: Flight 2.0 proposes radical change in air travel
Your entire plan is based on government (or some oversight body) restricting humans from natural human endeavor. The planning process ought to encompass market based planning. If people want to get to NY from LA in four hours, the market can decide more efficiently and effectively than any government planning body ever could. If fossil fuels do become scarce as you suggest, supply and demand forces would cause the cost of that trip to go up as costs of fuel rise necessarily. That being the case, your idea of airships and "slower, more luxurious travel" may indeed have a place in the market, but it will succeed or fail based on the wants and needs of the consumer, at that point in time. Your plan to restrict travel based on some perceived shortage of materials involves picking winners and losers, and you can look at Seattle's light rail project for an example of a government boondoggle - billions of dollars for a project that no one rides, does not get cars off the roadways, and is the most expensive "cost per mile" mode of transportation in the country. I for one can't stand the thought of government telling me how to get where I want to get to. Let the market decide! It will do the same job, only much more efficiently.
Posted by bradwetli@...
21st Jan 2011
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It's worse than that.
There's a recurring theme within so many of these "pure genius"
kinds of ideas we see pitched here at "SmartPlanet". First, many
of the problems they seek to solve are speculative at best.
Second, in order to work, nearly all of these ideas all require:

A) Massive government subsidies.
B) Government's use of coercive force to restrict consumer
choice so that there are few alternatives but to use the product or
idea, or otherwise establishing a monopoly for the inventor of the
idea to exploit.

You know what would be "new" and "smart" here? An idea that
didn't require coercion to get people on board and massive
wealth transfers to the new green robber barons.

And I doubt this will get pitched to Boeing any time soon. They're
executives are too busy second-guessing the wisdom of moving
their HQ to Chicago and now paying 60% more in taxes.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
21st Jan 2011
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RE: Flight 2.0 proposes radical change in air travel
The only reasonable conclusion from the article itself is that the subject, Paul Wylde, (and possibly the author as well), is a crackpot. No offense intended to either but can any sane person honestly think that the country (world?) will simply abandon a hundred years of flight technology in favor of multi-day air trips. I have more comments, but I think I will let it go at that...
Posted by AnAnyMouse
24th Jan 2011
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Please note how ridiculous this is: relocating trains into the air...
Trains and ferries are already far superior to the cramped hassle of air travel. Only our addiction to speed induces us to put up with it, and only the fact that we CAN put up with it induces us to think in terms of flying across the country for holiday visits.

Trains and ferries offer relative luxury already: they HAVE to, as people could not sit still for three days in a modern passenger plane setting. People NEED space to move around, they need access to food, and some way to sleep without going postal.

Trains and long-distance ferries already provide this (I'm thinking of Alaska's ferry system, here). Plus (and I don't see this detail changing, no matter the air-travel system), there is FAR too much intrusiveness involved in inspections and personal searches, for any type of air travel.

Just go by train.
Posted by Lightning Joe
25th Jan 2011
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RE: Flight 2.0 proposes radical change in air travel
This article has certainly attracted gobs of comments; most of seem to come from Tea Party folks. The (taxpayers) appearing as the Government have always picked up the development tab and the liability tab,or, most recently we got to privatize the Financial industry's profits and socialize their losses (they got the cash we got the bill) ; like the Savings and Loan crooks a few years ago. Don't you people read anything? Businesses always want us taxpayers to guarantee they'll end up looking like rich smarty pants - and then rail about regulations.
We all know trains can carry people more safely and as "slowly" as a blimp would; and trains are quite energy efficient.
Lastly, if the concept of spending days on an air ship makes sense - the idea of bare minimum seating sure isn't!
Posted by Steve Schaffer
25th Jan 2011
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Perhaps good for fair weather....
...eco-excursions to environmentally sensitive areas? Or as special-purpose heavy lifters. Probably not for everyday long-distance travel.

Might be a nice view though.
Posted by ShockMe
26th Jan 2011
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Steve Schaffer says...
... "The (taxpayers) appearing as the Government have always
picked up the development tab and the liability tab,or, most
recently we got to privatize the Financial industry's profits and
socialize their losses (they got the cash we got the bill) ; like the
Savings and Loan crooks a few years ago. Don't you people read
anything? Businesses always want us taxpayers to guarantee
they'll end up looking like rich smarty pants - and then rail about
regulations."

So, you're a "tea party folk" too? Seems like you agree with
them.

And for all you train fans: Even the President last night made a
comment about how train travel would be so much nicer, because
you'd be spared the hassle that you now have to go through at
the airport.

What makes any of you think that if we were to massively adopt
train travel over air travel, that train stations would not eventually
become the mismanaged cluster that the government has turned
the airports into?
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
26th Jan 2011
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RE: Flight 2.0 proposes radical change in air travel
If I want to take four days to go from NYC to London I can do that on a boat (100 years ago or) today, at levels from first class to steerage, and take a lot more than just a toothbrush so that I don't have to buy paper hospital gowns from a British Airways dirigible dispensary. Yet there don't seem to be many people interested in this.

Do you REALLY see this changing? Do you really think I would let an elected government subsidize heavily such a drastic reduction in the quality of my life? I don't know how much travel/vacation time one gets in a job where they're paid to come up with such nonsense, but it must be much more than the 30 days of leave I get that already don't ever seem enough.

It's good to know that if my mother is on her deathbed across the country I can still get there fast--if I'm willing to pay more than a first-class ticket costs today and after APPLYING for permission from a UN-type bureaucracy (well-known for their own efficiency)!!

Ironically unsustainable? Yup. Fascistic? Sure, maybe. Sad that anyone could take such a silly idea seriously? Absolutely.
Posted by lazarusrook
26th Jan 2011
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