By Mark Halper
Posting in Environment
As Germany's parliament prepares to vote on bill that would label Porsche, Audi, Land Rover and other SUVs as fuel efficient, a Brussels environmental group cries foul.
Environmental groups are livid over a proposed German green labelling scheme that would put gas-guzzlers such as the Porsche Cayenne sport utility vehicle on a par with some of Europe’s most fuel-efficient models.
Germany’s upper house of parliament, the Bundesrat, will tomorrow vote on a law that bases green labels on the ratio of a vehicle’s weight to its CO2 emissions.
Belgian environmental group Transport & Environment notes that the scheme would grant the same “green” status to a Porsche Cayenne S Hybrid, which emits 196 grams of CO2 per kilometre (313 grams per mile) as it would to a Citroen C3 Hdi, which emits 114 grams of CO2/kilometre (182 grams per mile). The Porsche weighs 2315 kilograms (5104 pounds), about twice as much as the Citroen’s 1190 kilograms (2624 pounds).
Likewise, a 2650-kilogram Land Rover Discovery, at 244g CO2/km, would receive the same ranking as a 920-kilogram Toyota IQ, which emits 99g CO2/km. And an Audi Q7 SUV weighing 2710 kilograms and emitting 298g CO2/km would have the same green rating as a Fiat Panda and a Smart Mhd, which respectively weigh 915 kilograms and 750 kilograms and emit 119g CO2/km and 103g CO2/km.
“The German car industry has persuaded its government to produce a green label that would put the Panzer tank in the same fuel efficiency category as a Smart car,” said Arne Richters, Transport & Environment’s program manager for cars and CO2. “The industry are treating their customers with contempt by conning them into thinking their gas guzzling SUVs are green.
"The German government should go back to the drawing board and then come forward with a new law on labeling to give consumers a much clearer picture of how polluting a car is, and how much it will cost at the pump.”
Brussels-based Transport & Environment campaigns for environmental transport policy at the European Commission. In a press release, it noted that the proposed law “puts the German government on a collision course with the European Commission” over a 1999 EU law aimed at avoiding consumer confusion.
Jul 6, 2011
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Green ? total rubbish. When any vehicle emits co 2 , however you refine it, it 's still not good. Why don 't those guys change their mindset n start thinking how to run a perpetual engine based on electricity ? they have geniuses making nano material, atomfic energy, hightech computters etc.,electric engine ? nien ? no oil used means no war for oil. None of Your kids need to go to wars for nothing
The tag "GREEN" has been slapped on so many stupid products for the dumbest reasons that stories like this are now amusing, but not surprising.
my Citroen CX Break TD Turbo is still one of the greenest of them all. Weighing in at some 1600kg, it had an emission of 262g CO2/km when it was built. Now, some 27 years and 550Kkm later it may even be more. But putting mining of raw materials, processing, production and transport in the total balance, I may have produced an average emission of no more than 314g CO2 per km driven. And, if it will fall apart eventually, I still use the parts to keep my other CX's running. I wonder if a Smart or Prius can beat that. I'm sure a Cayenne or Discovery won't.
It's no good selecting only portions of a question and then choosing what you fancy ! That's B.S. & typical bureaucrap.
I think this is a great idea. If I want a super efficent mini that is fine but I live in the real world and need to compare full size vehicals; SUV's, trucks, full size cars. This just shows how little these so called green cars have really done, just the same engine in a smaller package. With lower weight and smaller frontal cross section (lower wind resistance) they should easily beat the larger machines even on this scale. The truth is out. Green is all relaitve...
Fuel consumption, or emission/weight ratios, don't adequately describe what makes a "green" automobile. To really determine how "green" a car is, one must take into account everything that goes into producing a car, from mining and processing the raw materials. shipping the raw materials to various processing plants, to producing the piece parts, to shipping the piece parts to the final assembly plants, to assembling the vehicle, to shipping the vehicle to final destinations, to driving the vehicle (this is the only place where the fuel consumption and emissions come into play), to maintaning the vehicle, to scrapping/recylcling the vehicle. With all the extra raw materials, shipping, and scrapping/recyling that go into a LEV, don't be suprised... the Cayenne is "greener" than a Prius.
...that the concept of "green" is mostly marketing hype and so highly subjective that practically anything could be redefined as being so if the political will exists to do so? < /sarchasm >
I agree that socalled green cars are not all that much better but there are plenty of people who make real good use of "mini"s in the "real world" (especially outside the US) and eventually in the real world most people may not be able to afford to drive around large SUVs and such whether or not they "need" them..
People are so stuck in a consumerist mentality of maximized satisfaction that 'green' has just been made into another product to consume and feel better in doing so. No one wants to face the reality that true greenness will actually involve some sacrifice and not necessarily be more satisfying. I can only imagine how many people have used 'green' to justify the unnecessary purchase of a new car when any savings in fuel consumption are probably more than negated by the resources consumed in the production of the car. I'm convinced the only way to truly make any progress in greeness is through legislation (force) not maketing. People will give things up when they have to, and like children apparently need to be protected from themselves