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Hybrid turbine: for when the wind doesn’t blow

By | August 30, 2010, 4:00 AM PDT

Due to inconsistencies in wind velocity, some wind turbines can only generate electricity about 30 percent of the time.

But Hybrid Turbines Inc. might have the answer to making wind turbine generate power without wind, and without the use of fossil fuels. Earlier this summer, the Colorado-based company introduced their SmartGen system, which burns biogas, biodiesel (and natural gas) to fuel the back-up power system. The company says it could have old and new turbines generating power “at their rated capacity 100 percent of the time.”

From Wind Today:

The 35 gigawatts (GW) of installed wind power capacity in America could be producing grid power 24/7.

The increased output of 25 GW (70% of 35 GW) represents the generation capacity of twenty-five 1,000 MW nuclear power plants.

This would of course depend on the patent-pending design working and being installed throughout the country’s wind farms. According to Hybrid Turbines, the SmartGen system can be retrofitted for existing turbines, scaled between 3 and 100 kilowatts (possibly higher), and integrated into new turbine designs.

A turbo-compressor (above) located at the base of the turbine’s tower draws in ambient air, compresses it and stores it in a tank. When winds are calm, the compressed air travels skyward to the turbo-air motor* connected to the electric generator.

Nick Verini, president of Hybrid Turbines Inc., says in a statement:

If a biofuel is used then the SmartGen™ system is 100% renewable energy based (wind and/or biofuel). Even if natural gas is used the electricity produced by SmartGen™ is twice as environmentally clean as burning coal. This will be increasingly important as we move to electric vehicles with batteries charged from the grid.

An automatic clutch disconnnects the wind turbine blades from the generator when the air motor is engaged.* To boot, once finished helping powering the generator, the expelled air helps cool the temperatures of the nacelle, preventing overheating and possible fires. (*edit)

Images: Hybrid Turbines Inc.
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: Ecogeek

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RE: Hybrid turbine: for when the wind doesn't blow
Why not just install biodeisel generators? Why would anyone want to waste all of that energy "turning the blades"?
Posted by keitha73
30th Aug 2010
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RE: Hybrid turbine: for when the wind doesn't blow
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!

And I'll bet they get a government grant to do it!
Posted by r1r1p1@...
30th Aug 2010
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RE: Hybrid turbine: for when the wind doesn't blow
Sorry, I didn't explain that well. An automatic clutch disconnects the wind turbine blades from the generator when the air motor is engaged.

Melissa
Posted by Melissa Mahony
30th Aug 2010
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RE: Hybrid turbine: for when the wind doesn't blow
I think you did

"A turbo-compressor (above) located at the base of the turbine?s tower draws in ambient air, compresses it and stores it in a tank. When winds are calm, the compressed air travels skyward to the turbo-air motor, which powers the electric generator to turn the blades."

This is as barking mad as storing CO2/carbon capture schemes - when all they is needed for that is to plant trillions of trees they do the same job naturally.

For energy security just build some sensible combination of

- Bio Gas
- Gethermal
- Wind
- Wave/Hydro
- Solar

and lots of Nuclear as the core of future generating capacity when fossil fuels become too expensive to burn for electricity, and must be saved for chemical industry feedstock.

Save the food for the population, instead of riduculously converting into diesel - look at Mexico anbd what happened to the price of maize recently.
Posted by neilpost
30th Aug 2010
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RE: Hybrid turbine: for when the wind doesn't blow
If you blow on it really hard, does it work?

Barring that, If you could recycle the exhaust of this system, back into the system, you may be able to approach an equilibriem.

Sorry, for the blow really hard comment.

Poppie
Posted by rrichins
30th Aug 2010
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RE: Hybrid turbine: for when the wind doesn't blow
So.. basically this system is using compressed air as a battery.
Not sure of the value of using the generator in the nacelle ( vs a generator on the ground, optimized to use compressed air).
But OK .. compressed air for storage of energy.. fine.
The numbers (efficiencies of each stage of energy conversion) should be fairly straightforward .. may be it has some merit.

The mentioning of alternative fuels ... just confuses the subject.
Sure .. you can install an alternative fuel based generator at the base of a turbine tower, but why?.
Wouldn't it make more sense to install this type of back up generator closer to it's load? (and likely, closer to it's source of energy- natural gas pipe line, feed lot, etc...).
Large wind turbines are generally installed away from populated areas .. populated areas are generally the load for the grid.
Posted by jrlambert
30th Aug 2010
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You could have the turbines turning all the time by...
using the "compressed air" and allowing it to blow back at the turbines when the wind is not blowing hard enough.

Alternately, you could use the "compressed gas" and/or bio-diesel to run a huge motor with huge attached fans directed at the turbines. That would allow for the turbines to be turning even when there is no wind blowing.

Then, the environmentally friendly crowd, aka, environmental wackos, could claim that the energy being produced is all coming from the wind turbines.
Posted by adornoe
30th Aug 2010
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RE: Hybrid turbine: for when the wind doesn't blow
Bloom box, for when the wind doesn't blow and the sun don't shine and the power lines are down.
Posted by Aboleyn
30th Aug 2010
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BioDiesel is subsidized ...
$1 per gallon and is far from made without fossil fuel. Making fuel out of food is nonsense.
Posted by MFox1948
31st Aug 2010
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RE: Hybrid turbine: for when the wind doesn't blow
Actually it's an ingenious idea. Let's say nothing but wind and compressed air are used. No bio-fuels, natural gas or anything else.When the turbines are churning away they are doing two things:
Generating electricity and Compressing air in huge storage tanks.

Now, the wind stops blowing. The compressed air runs the generators in the wind turbine (no need for duplicate generators on the ground, just an added expense).

And what if the compressed air runs out? Simple. Set up some wind turbines to do nothing but compress air and store it. That way there is always plenty to supplement those windless days.

Taking it a step further, what if all of the wind turbines did nothing but compress air and the generators were all located on the ground? Or where the power was needed? A pipeline could be run to those towns, cities and areas far away that need power. Locate the generators there. As long as there is no significant leakage in the compressed air pipeline, the system becomes quite efficient. The wind turbine towers could be lighter in weight without a big generator in them, making them cheaper to build.

There are a lot of options here. Creative minds will make it work.
Posted by bonafide49
2nd Sep 2010
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Aboleyn is right on!!!!
If you haven't heard of the Bloom Box, then you better go study up on it at http://www.bloomenergy.com/ .
Posted by nevertells@...
3rd Sep 2010
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RE: Hybrid turbine: for when the wind doesn't blow
"Taking it a step further, what if all of the wind turbines did
nothing but compress air and the generators were all located
on the ground? "

It makes just as much sense to mechanically transmit the
wind energy to the ground and put the turbines there, yes.

And it would be easier to service the turbines on the ground.

Storing the energy via compressed air would work, and you
can compress the air with the same turbine you generate the
electricity with later.

But you'll need a ginormous air tank !

In some situations you could store the power by pumping
water uphill. Easier to do and less pressure involved.
Posted by Jkirk3279
11th Sep 2010
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