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High speed rail to hit Vegas

By | April 1, 2011, 4:00 AM PDT

If you’re in a hurry to “win” big in Las Vegas, a train is in the works to get you there faster. At least, if you live in Los Angeles. The high speed rail plan to lay almost 200 miles of track between southern California and Las Vegas cleared one more pass this week.

The Federal Railroad Administration project has released its Environmental Impact Statement for the DesertXpress project. If approved, this would be first high speed rail effort to break ground under the Obama Administration’s transportation initiative.

(This isn’t the first project to complete an EIS. A rail line to run between Orlando and Tampa has gotten this far as well. In February, however, Florida Governor Rick Scott rejected its federal funding so the project may not be in the cards.)

The environmental report lists the preferred path as proceeding mostly alongside or within the medians of Interstate-15, a stretch of highway with a reputation for auto accidents. The corridor passes through public lands within both states and California’s Mojave National Reserve.

Placement and expected ridership for many proposed rail projects have faced scrutiny around the country. This one is no different. At speeds of around 150 miles per hour, travel time between destinations would be an hour and 25 minutes. Depending on traffic, a car trip falls between 3 and 6 hours. With a $100 round-trip ticket, the time savings could be crucial for a weekend getaway.

But to get on board, Los Angeles residents would need to go to Victorville, a drive of 80 freeway miles from downtown L.A. According to DesertXpress, the station would serve as a “natural collection point” within the freeway system for some of southern California’s other residents. Still, the Victorville location concerns some proponents of high speed rail. After all, as a pioneer for future rail projects seeking loan guarantees, DesertXpress’ stakes are big.

LA Weekly quotes Xudong Jia, a professor of civil engineering at Cal Poly Pomona with an expertise in travel-demand management:

The feasibility of this proposal really rests in how confident can they be that they will be able to draw enough passengers away from cars and planes. They have to honestly ask themselves, who is their rider? Where are they? How many of them are there? How often can they realistically be expected to make use of this line? What are they deriving their passenger projections on? Hopefully not Europe or Asia, since this is America and California, where an entirely different culture is in play. They are flying in the dark.

In addition to the passengers that do make the trip, the railway could bring jobs. According to Senator Harry Reid at a press conference last week, the railway could create 35,000 jobs in Nevada’s Clark County and thousands of others in California. A $4.9 billion loan, applied for by DesertXpress, through the Railroad Rehabilitation & Improvement Financing program is pending.

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Stupid people.
When will politicians and the voters who put them in office learn that you negate the positive impact of high-speed rail when you put that many stations that close together?

Once again taxpayers will be paying for a high speed train that gets close to its top speed only once in a while. They did not learn their lesson with Acela.

They paid a ton of money for trains capable of 150 mph that rarely exceeds 80 mph. They spend most of their time operating around 45 mph. The over $1 billion worth of Acela trains saves just 18 minutes on the Boston to New York run compared to the standard train.

Here is another important fact. Acela is still almost an hour slower than the old steam-powered express train that ran on the Boston to New York run in the 1940s.

The destruction of the express rails in the 1970s /1980s coupled with the lack of political will to rebuild the express rails on existing rights of way doomed Acela before the first train was delivered.

People who already complained about commuter train noise loudly protested the thought of trains doing 100 mph on reopened express rails. Bowing to the NIMBY crowd is what most politicians do best.
Posted by Hates Idiots
1st Apr 2011
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High Speed Trains...
The best high speed trains go where ever they want to @ 500 mph and have a wing. They also need no more billions of $ of infrastructure expenses.
Posted by Eco_Turbo
2nd Apr 2011
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RE: High speed rail to hit Vegas
What idiot decided to stop at Victorville. If I have to fight traffic all the way to the high desert i m sure not going to get off I-15 fight traffic on surfice streets and then wait for a train.
Posted by heybob1
2nd Apr 2011
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Some facts about Acela
Yes, it may be a slowpoke in areas like Newark and other railyard/shunting areas, but on some parts of the line (including the New York-Boston run) it hits peak speeds of 135-150 mph (and I'm pretty sure that the steam train was slower at peak speed, even if it got to Boston quicker on average - the only steam locomotive to ever hit such speeds was Britain's "Mallard" (136 mph)). So what's going on here? 1) Acela might have more stops than the old express trains, 2) many stretches of Acela's line might be older and more cluttered, 3) federal regulations might be more ridiculous.

Also, Acela might save only 19 min. on NYP-Boston than standard trains, but don't forget that a) standard trains use Acela's tracks and b) they needed to speed up standard trains to accommodate Acela. And apparently business travelers like Acela service. It is wired for Internet service, an enormous current advantage over many regular trains, and it has big windows and more comfortable seats.
So... how can Acela improve? Simple: build bypasses and spurs around stations so that Acela can make point to point nonstop runs (such as Wilmington-Metropark or Trenton-Boston). We don't really need to have every train stopping at NYP, do we?
Posted by Rickyrab
11th May 2011
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Another issue here: robot cars
If we end the line at Victorville, then we'll need to find some way of getting people to points all around LA and the Inland Empire. Mind if I suggest building a fleet of self-driving cars to do the job? They can ferry people to and from the train and then they can ride the high speed train to Vegas. At the end of the line, they could then board robocars and head to their destination. It would prolly wind up being like taxis but cheaper.

Some conservatives might point out the one-seat ride concept and the idea that people would just want to take the highway all the way. However, there are numerous people who like trains, and robocars would make for convenient car-train transfers if loading and unloading are done properly and efficiently. Also, trains provide an enormous social opportunity that cars just don't have: the opportunity to meet a great number of new people on board and to do various onboard activities, such as go to a restaurant or walk around. It would be a getting-there-is-half-the-fun sort of thing.
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