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Are city dwellers more green than Thoreau wannabes?

By | February 10, 2011, 12:10 PM PST

Henry David Thoreau is a hero to many traditional environmentalists. The idea of being self-sufficient among the natural world is a catchy one. But are the real environmentalists those who are actually living in the urban jungle?

Edward Glaeser thinks so. In fact, he says in the Boston Globe today, “If you love nature, stay away from it. The best means of protecting the environment is to live in the heart of a city.”

In a study, Glaeser, a Harvard economist, and author of the new book Triumph of the City, found that households living in communities of 10,000 or more people used an average of 687 gallons of gas per year, while households in communities of 1,000 or less used an average of 1,164 gallons.

We estimated that a standardized household in Boston’s urban core emits about 6,700 fewer pounds of carbon dioxide per year due to driving habits than an equivalent suburban household. Certainly, when I moved from Cambridge to a woodsy suburb, I spent endless hours in my planet-polluting Subaru. The public transportation that is more common in cities does little to balance the scales.

But it’s not only the car habits of urbanites that make cities greener. Cities use electricity much more efficiently than their suburban foes, he argues.

There are also substantial electricity and home heating differences between cities and suburbs, mostly because suburbanites have bigger homes, even holding income and family size constant. After all, many people move to the suburbs precisely because they want a bigger home. On average, electricity use is 88 percent higher in single-family detached homes than in apartments in buildings with five or more units.

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All told, the standardized suburban household in the Boston area produces almost six tons more carbon dioxide per year than the standardized urban household.

So what’s the best rule to live by if you want to be green? Glaeser: ”Living around trees is less green than living around concrete.”

Photo: Robert Goodwin/Flickr

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Comparing the average suburbanite to Thoreau is not fair.
If you look at suburban telecommuters who drive less than 10,000 miles a year, and I know several, the numbers you quote change.

Then factor in the number of those people who grow and preserve large amounts of their own fruit and vegetables, about 50 percent of the suburban telecommuters. Now add on that most of the telecommuters already own a hybrid car that they use for those less than 10,000 miles driven per year and the numbers change even more.

None of them have big golf course lawns so they do not use large amounts of oil based pesticides or fertilizers. They use compost and manure from livestock they own. Often it is goats for milk and cheese, horses for riding and heavy pulling instead of a tractor, but a few have raised the occasional pig or cow for slaughter. One couple even has a solar panel they use to charge their electric lawn and garden tools.

Taking in all of that and much more into account and you find an emerging life style trend that is very Thoreau like without the carbon footprint of the typical suburbanite.

I would bet it beats the carbon footprint of a city dweller, even with the urban efficiencies you mention.
Posted by Hates Idiots
11th Feb 2011
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RE: Are city dwellers more green than Thoreau wannabes?
Suburbanites are city dwellers; they live in an artificial, man-made, "natural" environment. ...so the study is full 'o beans, developed by a professor of something or other educated far beyond his intelligence in order to promote a biased point of view.
Posted by steve.hammill@...
11th Feb 2011
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RE: Are city dwellers more green than Thoreau wannabes?
@Hates Idiots
You state "Then factor in the number of those people who grow and preserve large amounts of their own fruit and vegetables, about 50 percent of the suburban telecommuters. Now add on that most of the telecommuters already own a hybrid car that they use for those less than 10,000 miles driven per year and the numbers change even more."
What statistics do you have to back those statements? I find it laughable that you honestly expect people to believe that 50% of telecommuters grow their own food and own a hybrid.
While the numbers quoted in the story do leave room for variables, the ones spouted off by you are just flat-out biased and have no leg to stand on.
Posted by jmwells21
11th Feb 2011
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RE: Are city dwellers more green than Thoreau wannabes?
Given that most families with children are going to prefer living in the suburbs to living in the city because of lower crime and better schools, perhaps the professor's time would be better spent advocating solutions for making suburban areas less car-dependent. Things like adding sidewalks and bike lanes, improving mass transit, having mixed zoning so that folks can walk or bike to stores rather than always drive, etc.
Posted by Crimson Wife
11th Feb 2011
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Based on first hand knowledge.
In the post I said several, but after I thought about it, I actually know dozens of people, probably over 40, who telecommute and fall into this discussion. Many of them I support in my IT job.

I grew up in the city, but now live near several of them in a rural area on the MA / NH state line. That is where the initial comment of several came from.

Most of them grew up in the greater Boston area and used to commute up to 1.5 hours each way to work once they moved into the suburbs. As soon as telecommuting became an option they did it.

So these numbers are based on that.

I am not saying they fall into a statistically large or representative group, but when calling people Thoreau like, they fit the bill much closer than the average suburbanite.
Posted by Hates Idiots
11th Feb 2011
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RE: Are city dwellers more green than Thoreau wannabes?
Tyler Falk is practicing irresponsible journalism. How? By not providing access the the study by Glaeser. He is an urbanist, and will promote his interest. Without reviewing the study, we have no way to judge the validity of his comments, if they are based on the study. And peer review isn't necessarily all it should be.
Posted by willbonds@...
11th Feb 2011
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What these urban idealists always seem to avoid...
...are the reasons that so many people flee urban environments
in favor of suburban ones.

Like Crimson Wife says above, perhaps it would be more
productive to answer those questions first, and then people would
return to the cities and the problem would resolve itself.

Except that I doubt that will ever happen, as all too often, it's the
social and economic agendas of many of these academics that
are responsible for people fleeing cities in the first place.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
11th Feb 2011
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The goal is not either/or, it's both/and
The planet needs green cities, sustainable neighborhoods, ways to live ecologically in the rural areas, and in all countries on the planet. It cannot tolerate anything else, and the need for low carbon, ecologically sustainable living to be practiced is a planet-wide mandate. Any other questions?
Posted by klassman6
11th Feb 2011
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RE: Are city dwellers more green than Thoreau wannabes?
Thoreau wannabies - the population you mention in your text have NOTHING in common with Thoreau ideas. If you take into consideration the environmental impact of living in suburbs - it is to clear to be even questioned.
The most striking example of "returning to the nature" in recent history, is the social experiment of Pol Pot's regime in Cambodia. Not only that you fail to mention it, but you probably never thought of it as such.
So what exactly are you trying to teach us?
Posted by mic602
12th Feb 2011
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RE: Are city dwellers more green than Thoreau wannabes?
I would guess that most suburbanites are not Thoreau wannabes. Nor are city dwellers, for that matter.

But, I think the study is just saying that your environmental impact (Theoreau lover or not) is generally lower if you live in a city, because you drive less and live in smaller spaces. What one's friends do, while commendable, isn't terribly relevant to that study.
Posted by danschreib
14th Feb 2011
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RE: Are city dwellers more green than Thoreau wannabes?
I cannot believe Hates Idiots came up with such a fanciful, completely false, picture. Prius owners for instance are 82% city dwellers (Toyota's own customer research). And I don't know what "suburb" Hates Idiots lives in, but there ain't a whole lotta livestock in the suburbs I've been in, not only where I live but also in other metro areas. And it is an actual fact that the majority of HAs are in the suburbs. And don't get me started on lot size. That comparison to city dwellers is laughable. It makes me wonder when was the last time he/she was ever in a city. Add to the fact that you have to drive to do anything in the suburbs (pick up some milk, rent a movie, go out to eat, pick up a prescription, buy groceries) all of which can be done on public transportation in almost every city over 50,000 people.
Hates Idiots must also hate reality, because there was nothing very real in their post.
Posted by StrayBullett
17th Feb 2011
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RE: Are city dwellers more green than Thoreau wannabes?
Another solution: SMALL TOWNS and NO large cities, with sustainable energy!
If, as it used to be, your job (if you even had one and didn't work for YOURSELF and simply barter for your goods,) your consumables, your energy, were all locally produced.. by your neighbors, in most cases.. and you could walk most anywhere in a small town, even out to your small farm, where you grew your own food, this would all be solved. Suburbs should be self-sufficient towns in and of themselves, and if you work an hour away.. MOVE TO WHERE you work!
With NO large urban areas, OR suburban areas we could all do the "Thoreau" bit. If this means reducing the population to near levels of 1800, so be it. There are too many people.. that's why we're having problems!
Posted by janitorman
14th Mar 2011
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