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Toyota gets high-level help in accelerator probe: from NASA

By | March 30, 2010, 7:36 AM PDT

Maybe we have truly entered the “Jetsons era” — we’re now looking to the space travel industry to get help with fixing our cars.

Apollo 15 Rover on lunar surface. Credit: NASA

Apollo 15 Rover on lunar surface. Credit: NASA

According to a news report, to get to the bottom of the root causes of the potential sticky accelerator problem plaguing recent Toyota models, NASA said it was joining the National Academy of Sciences in the government’s investigation.

US Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood announced that “NASA scientists with expertise in electronics will help the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration study potential electronic ties to unintended acceleration in Toyotas. NASA’s knowledge of electronics, computer hardware and software and hazard analysis will ensure a comprehensive review.”

NASA has experience with ground-based vehicles as well as airborne ones, such as the Lunar Rover (pictured above) or Mars probes.

The National Academy of Sciences will also be looking at acceleration and electronic vehicle controls from other auto manufacturers as well.

It used to be easy for a mechanic — trained, or even in the backyard — to spend a couple of hours tinkering or rebuilding car parts to get things running smoothly again. Perhaps we’ve crossed some kind of chasm when car technology is on a level of complexity with spacecraft technology.

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Joe McKendrick is an independent analyst who tracks the impact of information technology on management and markets. He is the author of the SOA Manifesto and has written for Forbes, ZDNet and Database Trends & Applications. He holds a degree from Temple University. He is based in Pennsylvania.

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Joe McKendrick is an independent consultant and editor. Joe has performed project work for the following companies in the IT marketspace: IBM, Systinet/HP, Teradata. He has performed project work for the following organizations in partnership with Unisphere Research (Unisphere Media): IBM, Oracle Corp., International Oracle Users Group, Oracle Applications Users Group, Professional Association for SQL Server, International DB2 Users Group, International Sybase Users Group.

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Toyota's problems are simple and two fold
Every automobile manufactured should be required to have a "smart brake pedal," or simply a brake override that cuts fuel to the engine after several seconds of sustained activation. Ideally the driver should be able to disable this feature by pressing a button on the ECU until the next engine start for sports and stunt drivers. This would have prevented several deaths verifiably caused by floor mat entrapment and drivers unable to figure out alternatives.

Toyota's other problem was their "ownership" of black box data, making people skeptical they were trying to hide something. Toyota should acknowledge that while black box data is raw data and may not indicate what it seems to, that the data is still owned by the car owner (not Toyota) and will be provided on request to the owner, authorities, or courts by shipping Toyota the ECU and paying a nominal charge of no more than a couple hundred dollars.

The rest of it probably comes down to pedal misapplication. I find it interesting of the people reported in the media to have a problem with Toyota cars (I think around 12 cases), a recent reporter found all of the driver's reported ages to be over 50 years old. Since Toyota is not an expensive or luxury brand, there is no reason to believe what is supposedly a random event to discriminate toward older people.
Posted by colinnwn
30th Mar 2010
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RE: Toyota gets high-level help in accelerator probe: from NASA
The last paragraph of Mr. Mckendrick's article holds the key edxcept for one point. That chasm was crossed some years ago but the automotive industry and those associated with it either failed to acknowledge the fact or worse yet, do not know it.
Posted by maggievhouse@...
30th Mar 2010
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RE: Toyota gets high-level help in accelerator probe: from NASA
This should be a simple solution, such as a switch to disconnect the ignition system's igniter from the system in case of a run-away condition. That way you wouldn't have a steering wheel lock-up by having to turn the ignition switch off.
Posted by ITOdeed
30th Mar 2010
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RE: Toyota gets high-level help in accelerator probe: from NASA
I don't agree that owners should have any ownership of black box data. The black box was never intended to be available to a driver or owner. It's purpose was to assist police and insurance companies in analyzing an accident. There may be some that can argue that there are privacy issues associated with that. There should be a way for owners to obtain a copy of the data to be used in court.

That being said, I don't know if the black box data is going to be usful for anyone. If there is a "bug" in the car computer that causes it to hang or loop, then there may not be anything to see in the black box.
Posted by hforman@...
30th Mar 2010
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Black Box Data
@hforman

The black box was also never intended to be available to police and insurance companies except as a side effect and as required by law or court order. That is part of the disconnect between Toyota and the community.

The data was intended only as a research tool for the manufacturer to make improvements in the design and safety features of the car. If there was a legal way to prevent anyone (including police, courts and insurance companies) from accessing the data except for the manufacturer, you bet Toyota would have done it. It would reduce their exposure and liability. And in such a case, I would fully support it.

Since there is no way to prevent this from happening, and given that a purchaser buys from the manufacturer the irrevocable use of the hardware in a car, and therefore should be buying ALL the work product of that hardware, including use of integrated software and data, I think the black box recorder should either be able to be turned off, or the data should be available to the owner period.

As far as whether the black box data is valuable, that is to be determined based on the output one sees in the data, and can not be decided beforehand as you seem to try to suggest. If the processor hangs hard, you may see no data logging, or the same information logged over and over again. If one subsystem process crashes or experiences unexpected outputs, it will be visible in logged sensor and actuator data.
Posted by colinnwn
31st Mar 2010
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RE: Toyota gets high-level help in accelerator probe: from NASA
Computer databases of news reports probably don't go back to the late 70's and early 80's, but there was a rash of Audi "stuck accelerator pedal" problems that caused a large slump in sales of new Audis and knocked the price of used Audis way down. After much investigation, it was concluded that the Audi had smaller, closer-together European-style brake and gas pedals, and drivers often slammed on the gas pedal, while swearing that they had pressed the brake pedal. I think US versions of Audi increased the spacing between pedals and made the brake pedal larger and the problem of Audis "accelerating into the garage wall" seemed to disappear. Lots of blame at the time on electronics, but IIRC, there never was anything specific found to be causing the problem.

Yet, in Toyota's case, I think we need Dr. Richard Fineman back with us so he could lead an investigation with the inquisitiveness for which he was so famous.

Good luck, NASA....
Posted by zdnet@...
31st Mar 2010
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RE: Toyota gets high-level help in accelerator probe: from NASA
RE: Colinwn comment about shipping "black box" back to Toyota for read. Fails legal chain of evidence concerns so it could be argued that data read is falsified. One can imagine hoo-ha that would follow should box be "lost." Toyota and all other manufacturers must confirm they understand the black box and info therein is property of car owner (since I am willing cost of "black box" is included in base price of vehicle AND must also provide simple, local process for retrieval of data for analysis by qualified technical and legal staffs.
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12th Apr 2010
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