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Tesla to Boeing: We can get your Dreamliner up again

By | January 29, 2013, 3:10 AM PST

Flame free. SpaceX's Dragan spacecraft - and the rocket that launches it - uses lithium ion batteries, and has yet to catch fire, unlike the Dreamliner.

By now everyone knows the story of the Boeing nightmare: The proud aeorospace giant grounded all 50 of its vaunted Dreamliner planes because the aircraft’s lithium ion batteries have displayed a troubling tendency to overheat and in one case, catch fire.

Boeing won’t fly them again until it sorts out the problem.

Wait. Doesn’t Elon Musk use lithium ion batteries for some heavy lifiting? You know, Elon Musk, the serial entrepreneur (to my mind he takes the mantle from the late Steve Jobs as the reigning prince of business innovation) who runs maverick electric car company Telsa, and private space transport pioneer SpaceX.

Indeed he does, and not just in his cars.

“We fly high capacity lithium ion battery packs in our rockets and spacecraft, which are subject to much higher loads than commercial aircraft and have to function all the way from sea level air pressure to vacuum,” Musk told Reuters. ”We have never had a fire in any production battery pack at either Tesla or SpaceX.”

Fireman. Tesla and SpaceX boss Elon Musk wants to help extinguish the Dreamliner's problems.

With those fire-free credentials, Musk is offering to help Boeing - as he announced on Twitter three days ago, where he said he is talking to the chief engineer of the Dreamliner (also known as the 787). The tweet said:

Desire to help Boeing is real & am corresponding w 787 chief engineer,” Musk wrote on the social media website.

He told Reuters that SpaceX battery packs could help the Dreamliner. Boeing and 787 chief engineer Mike Sinnett did not comment in the Reuters story.

Based on a fresh conclusion by Japanese airline safety inspectors, however, any in-depth discussion of the batteries per se could be moot. Japan’s transport ministry has now declared that the battery was not the problem, the BBC reports. “Attention has now shifted to the electrical system that monitors battery voltage, charging and temperature,” the story states.  (An MIT professor says it will take years to get to the bottom of what’s going on).

And don’t forget that the Dreamliner has also been leaking fuel, and not all of it’s windows have been up to scratch.So there’s still plenty to talk to Musk about.

Photo: Dragon spacecraft from NASA. Elon Musk from Brian Solis. Both via Wikimedia.

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Teething trouble
The media is making much of this, but I am pretty sure all major new airplane launches have been accompanied by their share of initial problems. 6 months or so and this will all be history.

The big thing (for boeing and their customers) is the new capabilities that this aircraft will bring to the industry.
Posted by dimonic
29th Jan
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Teething trouble? No... Bad design, wrong batteries, wrong chemistry.
Don't know what kind of dope they smoke at boeing but damn it must be some good stuff. No-one in their right mind that had done any kind of research would have used those batteries. I guess not even one of them had ever flown a RC aircraft.
Posted by Reality Bites
29th Jan
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RE Teething Trouble
It's probably going to take longer than that...this is the FIRST time Boeing hasn't had full control over production of everything. They've used sub-contractors to produce a lot of the modular components - even down to the windows that won't seal and the fuel systems that are leaking...and the batteries and monitoring systems that aren't working. They're perhaps learning that less expensive is not necessarily better...
Posted by GregGold
29th Jan
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New era, new designs
Ain't it time to build new aircrafts (limited) with very flexible movable wings with light weight materials? Kind autopilots for family use, able to land on the Highways, Oceans and parking lot, likely the beaches....Flying in Hydrogen from the batteries or vodka?
Posted by Elrandy
29th Jan
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Boeing listen... yeah right!!... arrogance has no ears.
They have their head so far up you know where, they wouldn't do the smart nor right thing in a million years. They wouldn't have used the batteries they did if they knew what they were doing.
Posted by Reality Bites
29th Jan
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I hear ya, but, you're taking things too far...
The 787 is an amazing aircraft, and it's still the future of Boeing and many airlines. The problems with the aircraft right now, are few, even if dramatically important, and very costly. With a very complicated project like building an aircraft, in this case, one with a lot of new technology, it's a testament to the innovative minds at Boeing that, the project did make it to flight with so many different players and pieces and problems along the way. Perhaps the only way to avoid problems in the future, is to not build any new planes, and to just continue producing what works and has been out there for decades already. Otherwise, if one wants to build something new, risks will be part of the endeavor. It's all a matter of trying to predict problems before they occur and to take care of them, but, with anything new and complicated, chances are that, there will be problems that couldn't be anticipated, and which will have to be addressed "post delivery". That's the case with most technological products, including computers and spacecraft and aircraft and ships and anything else that is complex, and even the not so complex.
Posted by adornoe
29th Jan
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Certification
While the solution to Boeing's battery issue may indeed be straightforward (I've read the stacking configuration, with no mechanical cooling caused the inner batteries to stew), re-certification of any solution is a time-consuming (many months?) process and not re-plug and re-play.

Unintended consequences often accompany a "quick fix" (act in haste, repent at leisure) and I suspect Dreamliners may be parked quite a while as implications of redesign are thoroughly explored.

Best wishes
Posted by Stevewaclo
29th Jan
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Boeing is learning a very expensive lesson.
When still a proposal, Boeing's board was not willing to foot the entire bill for development of the 787; hence the unprecedented reliance on partners to independently design, build and test many of the most critical components. This "trust but verify" approach did not work well. The billions they thought that they were saving via this approach have long since been consumed, even before the battery fiasco.

Textbooks will be written based upon what's being learned here about massive projects and integration.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
Updated - 29th Jan
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Unmentioned impact on 787 production.
The Obama administrations decision to play union pit bull by attacking Boeing over the new 787 plant in South Carolina. The final assembly plant for the 787. Hurried training and rushed initial production can lead to lots of seemingly small, but potentially fatal mistakes being made during production. Did the government contribute to a dangerous roll out of the planes?

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/charleston/index.html

In the end it was proven that Boeing broke no laws by opening the factory, but training of the staff for the plant was delayed and production was rushed to catch up with a slipping schedule. To this day the NLRB and the unions continue to harass Boeing over every little detail of the plants operation.

In fact it has not yet been determined if the NLRB was the real law breaker when it when after Boeing. A judge will probably decide that after Obama is out of office with the delaying tactics being used by the NLRB.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-709991

The bottom line is this: If the delayed plant opening is found to have had an impact on the quality of production, is the government and maybe the unions liable because they caused the delayed opening, rushed training and stressful working environment with pointless union thuggery?
Posted by Hates Idiots
Updated - 29th Jan
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It's this kind of political nonsense...
...that will guarantee that the 797, whatever it might be, will not be assembled in America. Boeing will slowly become the Apple of aerospace.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
29th Jan
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Actually, that's already happened with the 787...
where, a lot of the parts are already manufactured in other countries.
Posted by adornoe
29th Jan
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Although to be honest...
...the reasons for that were for different politics; It's a kind of "spread the wealth" agenda that is designed to give Boeing an edge with airlines and regulators in those countries.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
Updated - 30th Jan
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ELON MUSK
Elon,
If you are reading this, we are working on a project. We are looking for Li Ion batteries with 48000 watt hours. Can you tell me where I can purchase them? Also are these batteries made in the USA? ( No Chinese please).
Posted by usdoc1
29th Jan
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Better Yet, Why Doesn't Musk Enterprises Make their Own Aircraft Company
Boeing and Airbus have plans to finally get away from the tube with 2 engines hanging under the wings design for the first time in decades to create more efficient aircraft. Their plan is to wait about 20 or 30 years then really start picking at it, so that by 2050 or about 10-20 years after we run out of any reasonably priced oil, we'll have a solution.

Musk and Co could probably do the same thing in 5-10 years.
Posted by ngmsmartplanet
29th Jan
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Too many cooks spoil the soup...
When you want to cut through the crap it takes a few good men.... not an army... the Chinese are starting to realize this... when they do the USA and the west is finished.. also why do all the cool guys get the good names? Musk.... Branson.... it's never Needermyer or something like that...
Posted by nrghead
30th Jan
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