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MIT Professor: Fixing Boeing 787 problem could take years

By | January 28, 2013, 3:29 AM PST

According to an MIT chemistry professor, fixing the Boeing 787 Dreamliner battery problem might take longer than expected.

Following an emergency landing in Japan when a battery caught fire on one of the Boeing 787 Dreamliners — and a similar problem being reported in Boston a week earlier — the European Aviation Safety Agency joined the FAA in grounding the planes. However, according to one battery expert, these planes could be left on the tarmac until 2014.

A host of technical problems have dogged the 787 since 2011, including fuel leaks, fires and damaged windows. A number of flights from Europe, Chile, India and Japan are now currently out of action.

Boeing said that the firm is “committed” to finding solutions to the problem as “quickly as possible,” and is “confident the 787 is safe and we stand behind its overall integrity.”

However, Professor of Materials Chemistry at MIT Donald R. Sadoway believes that a solution may not be so quick to find. According to the professor, the batteries of choice in the 787 Dreamliners — eight-cell lithium-ion batteries — need to be monitored and cooled, or they must be replaced with older but safer substitutions, nickel metal-hydride batteries (NiMH), even though certification could result in year-long delays.

Speaking to Forbes, Sadoway said that each 787 contains one main lithium-ion battery and a backup, in order to reduce weight and therefore fuel consumption, which generate 150 watt-hours per kilogram. However, lithium-ion batteries are far more likely to burn up than other alternatives, as they contain “an organic electrolyte which makes it volatile and flammable.”

The battery expert explained to Forbes that he was “surprised” there was a lack of cooling equipment when he studied the 787’s battery issues, and their containers only allow batteries on each end of a pack to let off heat — so the other six are forced to heat each other up. There you have it — the increased possibility of a fire.

“In a large format battery, heat can be generated faster than it dissipates to the surroundings with the result that the temperature of the battery can rise to dangerously high levels which leads to bloating and ultimately fire,” he said.

Sadoway suggests that Boeing redesigns the batteries by putting temperature sensors on the battery casing and increase the air flow to reduce the risk of overheating before using simulated flights to test the stress threshold of the new system. However, these designs and tests are likely to take us into 2014.

Although the changes to these batteries could bump up the price from $1000 per battery to $2000, in comparison to the standard $207 million price of each Dreamliner, this sacrifice would not only improve passenger safety, but would be “peanuts” — especially when you consider the charges Boeing will probably face from airlines who purchased the model.

Boeing has shipped roughly 50 Dreamliners to airlines worldwide, including Japan Air and United. There are currently 848 orders outstanding.

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Just like everything else these days
Don't think anything through, just ship it and we'll take care of it later. This is really getting prevalent in the software industry with never ending updates on shoddy products being the rule.
Posted by Rodo1
28th Jan
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The 787 was probably 20 years in the making, and design and testing
probably took a great deal of that time. So, rushing the project to completion probably had nothing to do with it. The battery was not the exclusive problem of Boeing, and what is probably more of a problem, is the insistence for energy-efficiency and fuel-efficient designs, which can then create other unforeseen problems. Nobody can test for all possible problems and many problems do not appear until the product is in production and in use. The ultimate testing stage for any product, is the live use that real customers put them through. That's the same for any technology, big or small, unfortunate as that is.
Posted by adornoe
28th Jan
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787Battery This design is a large glued together, sounding board
787 Dream Liner Battery problem: This design is a large glued together sounding board In flight. Harmonic Vibration would not have shown up on extended bench testing hours....

The monocular vibration, in the battery , will create heat and all kinds of vibration damage's, as flight hours increase.

Ronald DouglasKennedy
Posted by Ronald Douglas Kennedy
28th Jan
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Batteries - No Fault Found
Curious, as the Japanese Airlline Safety Authorities can find no fault with them.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21230940
Posted by neil.postlethwaite@...
28th Jan
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Here's a clearer report on the problem, and causes...
"The green Dreamliner was supposed to be about big savings via fuel efficiency, new technologies and construction materials, all which were supposed to be made to magically appear thanks to billions of dollars in government incentives, primarily to fight the cause of global warming. Talk about unintended consequences."

Boeing Battery Quick Fix May Be Elusive

http://nlpc.org/stories/2013/01/27/boeing-battery-quick-fix-may-be-elusive
Posted by adornoe
28th Jan
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Boeing and others may promote the Dreamliner for it's "greenness"...
...but at the end of the day, the airline business doesn't have much room in its margin to be wasting money on pure hype. They're buying the Dreamliner because it's supposed to save them 20% on their seat/mile fuel expenditures. In a world where the greens are doing all they can to make carbon fuels more expensive, that's a hearty motivation.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
Updated - 29th Jan
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I seriously doubt these planes will be grounded that long.
Every day these planes sit idle costs the airlines and Boeing (which must remediate the airlines for such losses) hundreds of thousands of dollars per-plane. They'll come up with at least a stop-gap solution far faster than that.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
28th Jan
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This isn't a difficult issue...
It's times like this that I think back to john Goodman's role as the town exterminator in the move Arachnophobia. When he couldn't find any critters in the basement of a house he was asked, "well, why is all the wood rotting?" he replied, "I'll tell you why, bad wood" And then he was asked, "Well, so, uh, what do we do?" and he replied "Tear out bad wood, put in good wood".

This is just as simple. Take out bad batteries, put in good batteries... Yes, this may require a slight retrofit. This might cut into some existing space like in the cargo area. But it is the only viable solution for the time being. It's pretty obvious that lithium-ion batteries on a plane are almost as bad as snakes.
Posted by i8thecat4
28th Jan
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Aviation isn't quite as simple as that.
In aviation, you cannot simply (or legally) swap one component for an entirely different component of another kind. The aircraft was specifically designed and certified with the troubled batteries. To change them for another type, they will have to make both hardware and software changes, do testing to satisfy the FAA (which is currently under fire for allowing the quick and easy certification of the existing troubled batteries) be approved for a STC (supplemental type certificate) and then manufacture and deploy the new solution.

It won't happen overnight. But it won't take years either.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
Updated - 28th Jan
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Lithium-imide
There's an improved lithium battery, lithium-imide, that eliminates the fire hazard. Also stores more power, much less temperature-sensitive, and lasts longer. Supposedly not any more expensive. Why are we not all using it? Have to ask Leyden Energy, which holds the patent - they seem to be doing a really poor job of marketing.

It would probably run into the same certification delay, but it would appear to be an ideal solution.
Posted by Greenknight_z
29th Jan
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Fire danger inherent in lithium
Batteries that use lithium contain, in that metal, a highly-combustible material. Like other very-light metals, such as magnesium and sodium, lithium burns violently in air, once ignited. It is for this reason that lithium batteries need to be kept cool, and I agree with Prof. Sadoway on the matter. As a retired electronics engineer who sometimes worked on battery-operated systems, I have some actual technical expertise on the matter. A switch to nickel/metal hydride cells would provide an excellent solution to the fire problem, except for a reduced capacity and a significant increase in weight. It may be necessary to allocate more space and weight for the battery, whether improved cooling or a change of chemical system is employed.
Posted by firstaborean
29th Jan
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Lithium is not the problem
The problem with the li-ion cell is the electrolyte, lithium hexafluorophosphate. Heat causes it to react with trace moisture and decompose into hydrofluoric acid, which is extremely corrosive. The resulting corrosion is what causes the cells to swell, leak, and catch fire.
Posted by Greenknight_z
29th Jan
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Perhaps they should talk to those that have been doing it for real... Tesla
Tesla electric car company has already been down the bad battery road, they found the solution. Perhaps Boeing should have talked to those that actually knew what they were doing.
Posted by Reality Bites
29th Jan
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Cooling the batteries
A recent article in the Orange County Register mentioned that the batteries in the Tesla electric care are LIQUID COOLED Litium Ion batteries. an earlier comment here mentioned that the 787 battery pack has only the end cells able to radiate heat externally, the inner cells just heat each other up. Mr Musk of Tesla certainly can provide some sound advice to Boeing and Yuasa....
Posted by fred.wagner@...
23rd Feb
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I've heard nonsense in my life but...
Seriously MIT Prof? And, what is the difference between the lithium ion battery the Boeing 787 uses and the one Airbus A380 uses pal. Since YOU are such the expert in these matters, who are the manufactures of both the lithium ion batteries AND the monitoring/charging system for both Boeing and Airbus Industries? Also Mr. MIT, have YOU been on the face of Gods green earth to remember the scenario when large ni-cad batteries finally ended in aircraft service? When THEY went into thermal run-away...THEY BURNED HOLES RIGHT INTO THE BOTTOM OF AIRCRAFT!

Whatever it is you THINK you know MIT prof, I assure you, as a 34 year aviation PROFESSIONAL...your particular expertise lies elsewhere big guy!

"Me thinks" you have your money wrapped up in effin Airbus Industries stock! Feel free to contact me is you or anyone else on this blow needs the TRUTH about aviation related technological poop. You won't find it at MIT!
Posted by b787tech
29th Jan
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Lithium Chemistries
I have read several stories now and multiple posts and NO-ONE (including most prominently, the "professor" from MIT)....has mentioned that there are several different Lithium battery chesmistries and several ways to control thermal issues during charging & discharging cycles. The most flammable chemistries are those which utilize a higher percentage of Cobalt. Tesla uses a liquid cooled and sometimes heated battery pack and a lower "volitility" chemistry. It holds slightly less charge density, but is less flammable....which is a deliberate tradeoff. Boeing was using a higher volitility chemistry with air cooling. They wanted to maximize energy storage, and IMHO failed to adequately consider the thermal management issue. The laptop batteries that caught fire a few years ago was resolved by changing to a less volitile chemistry. Nissan Leaf vehicles are also experiencing a battery problem in Arizona's hot summers, because that car also only has air cooling. So, in conclusion I would submit that the chemistry is at fault, the air cooling is inadequate, the planes need a full battery thermal management system, the electronic monitoring and charge/discharge BMS (Battery Manhagement System) probably was inadequate as well. And lastly, it won't take all that long to "fix" the problem, because as problems go, this one is pretty small.
Posted by deyermann
Updated - 20th Feb
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Boeing battery is "lousy" engineering
PCI Systems Inc. will submit a proposal for safe UPS and battery chassis/systems at the next VSO meeting of VITA March 13, 2013.
Battery safety and packaging will be the major content of the VITA 77.1 draft specification aiming for high safety designs in airborne and defense applications.
All aircraft manufacturers are invited to participate in this working group to avoid grounding passsenger jets in the future because of lousy, bad, and unreliable engineering.
The draft standard will address measures to prevent thermal runaway of battery packs using proven conduction cooled base standards developed by VITA working groups in the past.
Claus Gross
Chair, VITA 77 working group
Posted by clausgross
10th Mar
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see what PCI Systems President has to say about "bad" engineering.....
see what PCI Systems President has to say about "bad" engineering.....

http://eecatalog.com/caciufo/2013/02/26/pci-systems-president-claus-gross-has-no-patience-for-politics-bloviating-or-poor-standards-based-design-he-sets-his-sights-on-better-boeing-787-dreamliner-lithium-ion-batteries/
Posted by clausgross
10th Mar
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