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Could ’smart gun’ technology have prevented the Newtown massacre?

By | December 19, 2012, 3:58 AM PST

Moments after news broke of yet another tragic school shooting, a somber President Obama stood before a shocked nation that had just experienced a grim reality check. “We’ve endured too many of these tragedies in the past few years,” he said, teary-eyed and adamant that this time around, things will be different.

Something must change.

But only a couple of days later, a different sense of reality began to set in. White House spokesman Jay Carney seemed to backtrack from the President’s statement earlier, emphasizing that gun violence is a complex problem that will require a comprehensive solution. The somewhat vague “complexity” being alluded to was likely a reference to the long-standing opposition to arms regulations, which include industry lobbyists and gun-rights organizations, most notably the National Rifle Association. And while many of these groups have since laid low, leading conservative voices were already busy working the airwaves in an effort to effectively counter a suddenly re-energized push for tighter restrictions.

The conservative publication National Review, argued in an editorial that a ban on assault weapons, while well-intended, would ultimately be ineffective. They reasoned that the killer could have just as easily carried out the massacre with ordinary hunting rifles and that curtailing certain components, such as magazine capacity, would force certain legal firearms off the market, which they’ve point out would violate the second amendment. Of course, gun control proponents disagree and have also presented research and evidence that bolsters their own case.

But what often gets overlooked in the debate is the potential of technological solutions, mainly an intriguing concept known as “smart guns” that may prevent these kind of heinous rampages in the future. While researchers have employed various approaches, a smart gun is essentially designed to enable only an authorized person to fire a weapon. The way this works is that the gun’s biometric system is set up to recognize the rightful user through a unique identity marker such as a person’s fingerprint, magnetic rings, RFID chips or other proximity devices.

The genesis for such a technology began a couple of decades back, primarily as a way of reducing the number of policeman killed by their own guns in those situations in which criminals were able to wrestle the officer’s weapon away. In 2000, the U.S. Department of Justice partnered with gun manufacturer Smith & Wesson and FN Manufacturing to develop and evaluate an assortment of ideas. Four years later, the New Jersey Institute of Technology was awarded a million dollar grant to complete a version that recognized users based on a combination of variables such as hand size, strength, and gripping style. And the year after that, the research team demonstrated a prototype they claimed positively identified the appropriate gun owner with 90 percent accuracy.

That was six years ago, so naturally you’re probably wondering how the progress is coming along? Well, all I can say right now is that there are, at the very least, lessons that can be drawn from the trail of complications and delays that have continued to beset what still appears to be a promising solution. On the political front, the NRA has derided the technology as simply too unreliable and as another ill-fated ploy to encroach upon the rights of gun owners.

“Tragic victims couldn’t have been saved by trigger locks or magazine bans or ’smart-gun’ technology, or some new government commission running our firearms companies,” NRA President Wayne LaPierre told Wired back in 2002. “They could have been saved by something far simpler and more common sense, zero-tolerance enforcement of the mandatory sentencing provisions in the gun laws against violent criminals we’ve had on the books for a long time.”

And in a complicated twist, what should seem like a good idea is also being opposed by activists on the other side of the gun debate. The D.C.-based gun-control advocacy group known as the Violence Policy Center had issued a warning stating that instead of curbing senseless violence, the introduction of smart guns would lead to the proliferation of even more firearms as the technology gives would-be owners a false sense of security. “The smart gun is a hoax. It’s a very seductive hoax, but nevertheless it’s a hoax,” Tom Diaz, the center’s senior analyst told 60 Minutes.

Stephen Teret, co-director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research dismisses criticism on both sides and instead wants to draw attention to what he sees as the real problem: the lack of will to make guns safer.

“There’s no question in my mind that if the gun manufacturers put their minds to it, they can make a gun that’s far safer than the guns that are being marketed today,” Teret told 60 Minutes.

For instance, “Congress told car manufacturers, ‘Redesign the car, make it so the occupant of a car can withstand the forces of a crash without those forces being fatal to the occupant. And that’s when we put in seat belts, we put in air bags,…and hundreds of thousands of lives have been saved since then,” he explained. “We can do the same thing about guns.”

But even with the concerted efforts of scientists and government officials, economic forces, as well as politics, has left the idea in a state of languish. Gannett Newspapers reports:

Ten years ago this week, then-Gov. James E. McGreevey signed a law requiring new handguns sold in the state to be equipped with “smart gun technology,” with biometic controls such as fingerprints that prevent them from being fired by unauthorized users, within three years of the time the state determines such user-recognition technology is commercially available.

Researchers at New Jersey Institute of Technology who have researched the technology for a decade with the help of state and federal funds, say they’ve got a working prototype — but no industry partners.“We have found no interest on the part of gun manufacturers in commercializing any aspect of user authenticating weapons technology,” said Donald Sebastian, NJIT’s senior vice president for research and development.

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TriggerSmart childproof RFID Smart Gun
TriggerSmart has developed and patented a user unique child proof smart gun using RFID technology. check out. www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcIpmAaFjGE
Posted by Robbiemcnamara
19th Dec
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The problem is...
...the 200-million existing guns in America that are not "smart". Your average evildoer will simply opt to use one of those.

The problem with guns is that by design, they are not intended to be "safe" for those whom they are pointed at.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
19th Dec
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Amend the Amendment??
"They reasoned that the killer could have just as easily carried out the massacre with ordinary hunting rifles and that curtailing certain components, such as magazine capacity, would force certain legal firearms off the market, which theyve point out would violate the second amendment. "

The first part is utter nonsense. He could have killed people, but not as many.

Why not amend the amendment? Surely no one is so dumb they will say "the law is harmful but we shouldn't change it".
Posted by RobSlack
19th Dec
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Failure to Grasp the Concept
In response to your two points:
Your suggestion that limiting magazine capacity would have reduced the number of fatalities in the recent elementary school shooting is wrong on two counts: (a) Any removable magazine (a.k.a. "clip", though that is technically incorrect terminology) allows for reloading by ejecting the empty and inserting a new magazine; the difference between two reloads and three reloads is trivial if you are willing to carry the extra bulk. (b) A second grader is totally defenseless against an adult, so the shooter could have wrecked carnage with a single shot weapon, or even a baseball bat.

I concur in principle with one aspect of your second point. As long as the right to keep and bear arms is part of the Bill of Rights, legal options to constrain firearms are strictly limited. But, I think we should approach such a revision with great trepidation. How much are you willing to see your use of the Internet curtailed because some relatively small number of individuals use it for child pornography?
Posted by mdwalls
Updated - 19th Dec
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Failure to understand the circumstances
If the shooter had been using a single-shot weapon, the kids could have easily rushed past him while reloading and even the adults could have approached and possibly disarmed him between shots.
Reducing the size of the magazine can have a similar effect because the shooter HAS to take time to swap magazines and unless you've got them pre-aligned and easy to snatch, you have to spend 'precious seconds' grabbing, aligning, inserting and charging the new clip into the rifle. Seconds that could be enough for a concerted rush to distract the shooter.

However, maybe you are right that the simple fear factor had many of his victims simply frozen in place; an all-out panic might have had the opposite result because as we've already seen in other panic situations, people do illogical things which, in this case might have swept the shooter off his feet. Children especially are effective because all the impact is at the hips or below of an adult.
Posted by DWFields
19th Dec
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Whether the killer had the capacity to kill 27 or 10, is immaterial,
and the incident would have been just as horrendous, no matter how many innocent lives the killer took.

Do you believe that, if the killer had only had time to kill "only" 5 kids, that the carnage would not have raised the same outrage as we have now? Far too many people are thinking numbers, as if 5 kids killed is not as horrendous as 20.

The massacre would not have been any less shocking because the number of kids could have been less. The fact is that, more than zero victims is too much.

The people using the massacre to pass more gun laws would not have cared that the number was 20 or 10 or 5 victims, and they would not have cared that it was innocent children who were butchered. The democrats will take advantage of any gun-related incident to pass anti-gun legislation, and the biggest prize that they're after is the repeal of the 2nd amendment, and they won't rest until they get it.
Posted by adornoe
Updated - 19th Dec
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Amend the Amendment? Sure. While we are at it...
...why not fix up the 1st Amendment as well? We now know that Adam Lanza was a fan of certain very violent video games. Endless hours with those certainly didn't improve his mental health. And why stop there? The vast majority of television and film programming are basically psychic pollution. Since we're going to be re-working the Constitution in the name of the betterment and safety and society, perhaps it's time to address that as well. Who knows? Perhaps then Adam wouldn't have wanted to kill anyone at all.

So why not amend the amendments? Surely no one is so dumb they will say "the law is harmful but we shouldn't change it".
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
Updated - 19th Dec
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In what way would you change it?
It's nice to say "change", but you have to offer a workable suggestion if you want to be believable. So, in what way would you "amend the amendment"?

I do agree that the first part of your comment is valid--there's no way he could have done as much harm with "ordinary" hunting rifles or limiting magazine size and such would certainly not take most legal firearms off the market--though .22 rimfires would be affected as well.
Posted by DWFields
19th Dec
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Hate to throw cold water on this one
1. There are already hundreds of millions of guns out there without "smart" technology. Unless everybody is willing (or legally coerced) into trading in old "dumb" guns for the newer ones (regardless of the reliability of the technology), this is moot point.
Even if law abiding citizens "trade up", the market for dumb guns will remain largely untouched until some of our states and commonwealths (Pennsylvania) comes to mind, pass laws requiring gun thefts to be reported to the police.
2. Sometimes guns malfunction. It's highly unlikely that this happens 1 time out of 100. 99% reliability may sound great, but a cop needs a gun that is 100% reliable for him/her and 100% unusable for a perp.
3. Measures always generate counter-measures. Rings and RFIDs can be taken from the rightful gun owners and the guns turned against them. This might not be so easy with a cop, but would be all too easy in a situation like the recent tragedy in Newton Ct.
Posted by PSFTGURU@...
19th Dec
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How about some hot water in return.
1.) Ok, you are right that current weapons would be unaffected by the 'upgrade'; however, thousands of new guns are sold every year and thousands of old guns are destroyed every year (not necessarily by their owners.) While I agree that reporting the theft of a gun is helpful, all it ends up doing is let the police know there's another gun in criminal hands and protects the original owner from liability when that gun is used in a crime. Unlike cars and now even some computers, there's simply no way to trace the stolen weapon until it emerges from hiding in a public manner.
2.) & 3.) Sure, sometimes guns malfunction; they won't shoot even when you need them to. Proper care, cleaning and lubrication, would likely prevent any mechanical malfunction (such as a magnetic solenoid safety) from sticking in the 'not safe' position but any pure electronic system when it malfunctions would simply lock the gun in 'safe' mode by default. As for the RFID or ring getting taken from the policeman--you're really stretching here. The vast majority of events where a cop's gun was used against him were in hand-to-hand scuffles. The criminal won't have the time to say, "Give me your control ring" as the officer will simply keep fighting, knowing the gun is unlikely to fire. I also wouldn't doubt that an added feature could be put in that prevents any legal weapon so equipped from even be used against a policeman--though that would be far more easily misused.
Posted by DWFields
19th Dec
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The criminal intelligence, will always win.
I have read through these comments, and you are all missing some basic points that I find highly amusing. First of all, psychologically, you are easy to scare and control. second, do you honestly think that the intelligent and capable criminal will respect any laws? ... Very amusing indeed.

Go ahead ban guns, if you can find them all, and install biometric devices into them; you know what will happen? The underground, or black market will flourish! Because, there are tens-of-thousands of people out there who have more of a brain than you and given a few hours and some steel parts can MAKE THEM. A gun is a fantastically simple machine to make. The elements of gun powder, or many other propellants, are also amazingly low-tech and simple to make. A fact that, all you sheltered minds are not aware of, is that all you need are machine tools and some steel and you can make them pretty quickly. Why not ban machine tools, how about banning steel? Profit, will always trump over human life, that is just how the world is. Reality is inherently unfair. Bad always has the upper hand because of the lack of cares, and morals. Think differently? How about you stop paying taxes and see what happens to you; I am sure your "needs and comforts" are foremost in the minds of the government (sic).

Humans are cheap, and they breed pretty quickly, and they have needs and wants, and criminals will ALWAYS be around to capitalize upon that. If not criminals, then corrupt regimes and governments. Even if you separate out all the known criminals, basic psychology will kick in, and new ones will merely take their place because of opportunity.

It is all about brain chemistry, psychology, and ingenuity. The exact same things that gave you all the toys and the easy pampered lifestyle you enjoy, also fosters criminals and their schemes and the inevitable corruption of most governments. So, go ahead, ban the guns, make them 'smart', then criminals will simply make something else, probably worse, and STILL have the upper hand. The problem is not guns, it is people. Lazy greedy, selfish, uncaring, evil people. Why not ban people ... Then you might solve the problem.
Posted by Kieron Seymour-Howell
Updated - 20th Dec
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Smart Guns
Had the killer's mom only smart guns in her house, the killer could not have used them. Seeing as that he was bent on killing lots of people, he most likely would have found another way. A non-smart gun, a baseball bat, a knife, a brick...
Posted by bb_apptix
19th Dec
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RE: Smart Guns - another way
Like the guy in China that just took out 31 kids with a large knife..
Posted by GregGold
19th Dec
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China incident
No one died in that incident.
Posted by johnkes
19th Dec
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There is probably more to that story...
Perhaps he lacked the knowledge of basic human anatomy, though statistically, he would have scored some kills given the number of people that were attacked. More likely he did not really want to kill anyone and DID know some anatomy as that would more effectively explain the outcome from 30 plus people being knifed and no one dying.
Posted by Kieron Seymour-Howell
20th Dec
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The basis of this country
Is the right to own, and acquire personal property.
My legally owned, and lawfully purchased firearms are my personal property and cannot lawfully be taken from me. the service life of a marginally maintained firearm is over a century and at conservative estimates there are over 200 MILLION working guns in this country. Talking about 'gun control' is nothing more than mental masturbation, and we have had enough of the 'if it feels good do it' crowd.
As far as it goes, a lever action, 'Winchester' style rifle in a pistol cartridge say .38 or .357 carrying ten rounds would have been just as lethal and almost as quick to reload as that bushmaster... AND since nobody was shooting BACK what difference does it make how long it would take to slip a few more cartridges in?
The issue is MENTAL HEALTH.
Posted by bookmanpc
19th Dec
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Mental Health
I agree with most of those responding that "smart guns" are not a viable solution for all reasons stated. This leads us to the more difficult and complex focus of "mental health." A more sophisticated and evolved society would naturally focus on root causes of any problem right from the start. Seems the hallmark of what makes us most human - foresight, is often neglected while having countless people die at an intersection finally results in a traffic light instillation. Let us hope that more emphasis on mental health results from tragedies like this regarding preventive measures and treatment being more accessible.
Posted by Soulaugh
19th Dec
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I'm going to give you a plus and a minus here.
The plus: You are so right that mental health is the real issue. The problem is that it's almost impossible to assess every single person even in a single town, much less an entire country. Effectively you're proposing we live under a Big Brother government.

The minus: That lever-action rifle of yours, especially using a pistol round, would take a lot longer to load than a simple clip-feed in most cases. Yes, there are a few clip-fed versions but they're almost never shipped with a magazine capacity over 10 rounds. The rest almost all rely on a tube magazine under the barrel that definitely does take some time to reload.

Of course, my rifle of choice was designed for the '99 military--as in 1899. I simply can't find one in decent condition or in the right caliber. You see, I want one specific weapon type of which I know many were made--but they've been out of production for over 60 years.
Posted by DWFields
19th Dec
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Irrelevent...
A few points in response to the three comments above this one:

1)To bookmanpc and Soulaugh: The same "mental health" problems, also give you people who invented everything.

2) To Soulaugh: That is because ultimately, it comes down to what it costs and that people are cheap. Only when forced to install or improve safety and such will the inherent laziness and low-morality of the average human kick in; usually for personal gain, fame, political gains and popularity. Hey, that is reality, did you think it was fair?

3) To DWFields: see number one. Also, If someone is determined, like bb_apptix said earlier, they will find another way. People are pretty easy to kill and hurt, we are soft, and highly vulnerable. A determined psychopath has any of a wide number of choices if they want to cause chaos and mayhem.
Posted by Kieron Seymour-Howell
Updated - 20th Dec
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Actually...
...'Smart' guns wouldn't have made any difference. the mother took him to a shooting range so even if the guns were 'smart' they would have been programmed to allow him to use them.

I totally agree with bookmanpc... we need to stop being so politically correct and control the nut cases.
Posted by Cabo Wabo Addict
19th Dec
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How?
Nearly every one of the events in the last 15 years has been perpetrated by people who 'seemed' normal in every other way; their issues weren't discovered until after the fact. How do you propose that we discover these individuals before the fact? Are you proposing a "Minority Report" kind of society where people are arrested, tried and convicted before any criminal activity actually occurs?
Posted by DWFields
19th Dec
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i am not a shrink...
that isn't my job to tell you how they could do it.

i do know this... the mother had told friends for weeks that she was 'losing control of him'.

why didn't someone report this? because it not PC to second guess someones mother on something as trivial as their son being dangerous.

until society changes and loses this overwhelming political correctness, we will continue to have out of control folks running around hurting or killing people.

you say the killers of the last 15 years appeared normal. how do you know this? did you know them personally? if not, you only have the word of people who are probably too embarassed to admit the truth - that they suspected something was wrong but thought it wasn't any of their business to report it to someone who could determine the truth.
Posted by Cabo Wabo Addict
19th Dec
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Quite Simply Wrong
The trigger control is more versatile then you perceive and the boy would not have had access without his mothers participation.

Yes the murders if any would have been made with some other weapons not having trigger interruption.
Posted by attoman
20th Dec
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not smart guns - smart locks
any currently manufactured gun can be fitted with a lock that prevents use of that gun - at a minimum, ad-hoc use. It could be a barrel lock, a trigger lock, or a gun safe. The next step is to REQUIRE gun owners to lock all guns that are not under the immediate control of the owner. And REQUIRE everyone who buys a gun, buys a hunting license, buys ammunition or uses a range to provide evidence of attendance at a certified gun safety course.

This is not as big a deal as it seems. I live in a rural area. Our local middle school requires ALL students (even my vegetarian daughter) to take a hunter safety course, which includes safe gun handling. That also shows it really isn't all that expensive.

No it will not prevent black market gun/ammunition trades or the illegal use of those guns, nor will it weed out all the crazies, but it will go a LONG way toward reducing the ready availability of guns to undesireable folks without impacting sport use ... in fact, it might even save a few more hunters who die each year from accidental gun shot wounds.
Posted by Jim Johnson
19th Dec
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None of those safety precautions would have stopped the killings of
last week.

If the mother of Lanza had the smart guns or trigger locks or a gun safe, her son would've had access to all of those and to the keys and the information to activate them. The mother, apparently, had no clue that her son was dangerous enough to turn those weapons against her, and so, she also wasn't expecting that her son would take those weapons to carry out mass murder.
Posted by adornoe
19th Dec
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Not necessarily
With a simple through-grip lock, as long as she kept the key on herself (and made sure of it), then all of the guns would have been useless to her kid.
There is no reason a child (call under 18 for ease) should have unrestricted access to a firearm. A few exceptions could exist, but not going to go in to them.
A gun-safe would have worked just fine. No need for the kid to have access. Just the mom.
A gun-lock of any type would have worked. Again, no need for the kid to have access without the mom's permission.
Not expecting her kid to do something so monumentally stupid. Yes, there's that. Though by her own words if she felt she was 'losing control over him', then that's all the MORE reason to make sure any firearms were unable to be used without her permission.
Smart-gun technology might not have worked in this case, as he was a 'known wielder' of those weapons. But more simplistic preventative measures would have worked just fine
(For those of you who don't know, the first time of gun-lock I mentioned is basically a cable-lock, like a bike-lock, that goes up through the grip and out the eject-port on a gun. With one of those in place, a magazine/clip CANNOT be inserted, and basically cannot be fired. A trigger-lock will allow for a magazine/clip to be inserted, a bullet chambered and the gun, potentially, to be fired even with the lock in place.)
Posted by jonrosen
Updated - 17th Jan
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Smart grip technology? Yeah, that'll work...
but then, how are they going to implement the idea of smart-grip knives? Or smart-grip axes, or smart-grip bats?

A determined criminal will find a way to commit his evil deeds, and the weapon of choice can be anything that can be used to kill. Adam Lanza could just as easily have brought a big knife or a baseball bat to the school and killed many kids and teachers before being stopped.

The best weapon against an armed criminal, is to neutralize that criminal, by allowing the population to be armed and trained to use their own weapons to defend themselves. Anything else will not solve the problem of criminals who are willing to use any means to commit their evil deeds.
Posted by adornoe
Updated - 19th Dec
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failure to communicate
sumetroll wrote:
"Failure to understand the circumstances
If the shooter had been using a single-shot weapon, the kids could have easily rushed past him while reloading and even the adults could have approached and possibly disarmed him between shots."

It -does not work- for the whole. Here. YOU can be the guy with the muzzle loader and read on: "If the home owner had been using a single-shot weapon, the armed burglar could have easily rushed him while reloading and even the burglar's thug friends, the rapist and the drug fiend could have approached and possibly violated him further, and many times, between shots." - -so you see, those who in the future only protect themselves with a single shot gun, or less, will certainly recieve in themselves the full impact of their error.

For this reason, to defend against well armed insane and criminal persons like the criminal that killed those children, all law abiding citizens will retain the right to keep and bear arms, with decent magazines and scads of ammo, without registration or government interference, to protect themselves and to protect others, for a duty to our selves and the country.
Sorry folks, the police are not to protect, only to clean up and investigate.

finally mcveigh did not use a gun.
Posted by opcom
19th Dec
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Here Here.
Well said Opcom.
Posted by Kieron Seymour-Howell
20th Dec
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Smart guns
As an engineer and a gun owner, this myth that technology can solve all is one weakness that always gets us in trouble.

No firearm that does not require movement away from the sighting position and two-handed ejection and reload of each cartridge, per shot, should be legal for public sale.

There is no hunting or sport need for any gun that assists repeated firing and reloading.

It's long been possible for any President who wishes to lead to simply say to DoD and all federal enforcement agencies: "Buy no more weapons from any manufacturer until they agree to halt production & sale of any semi- fully-automatic weapons for the public.

Done.
Posted by DrAlexC
19th Dec
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DrAlexC: Oh, the army uses, or will use, carbines and revolvers? ....
I must have missed that .... *grins*
Posted by Kieron Seymour-Howell
20th Dec
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DrAlexC, "That's a great idea..."
say criminals and hostile nations.
Posted by fearlesscrusader
23rd Dec
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An outsiders view
American mentality leaves most of the inhabitants of this world perplexed! The right to bear arms!
Define 'ARMS'. A club, knife, spear, arrow, handgun, rifle, field piece, bomb: (conventional, biological or atomic). Where does it end?
Forget the amendments. Write a set of basic laws that do not require amending in the first place. An ancient book had it right when it said 'You will not kill'. Outlawing the most deadly remote way of killing would be a great start.
Come on America, you have done some wonderful things for humanity, but the right to bear arms lives below the bottom of the list!

iGOM
Posted by iGOM
20th Dec
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Just out of curiosity...
...where is "outside" for you?
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
20th Dec
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Outside
"Australia" cobber!
Posted by iGOM
29th Dec
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Good ON ya, mate!!
Intensely glad to be living here in Queensland... this is a *sane* country, one where one can go to a movie theatre or shopping mall without worrying that some nutter is going to try to thin out the population with some legally-purchased firearms he "borrowed".

Reading this commentary, it's all a bit ludicrous... the pro-gun people quibble over 2nd amendment 'rights' and other hoohaa and in the meantime, another massacre happens. How many this year in the US? How many in Oz?

Seriously: I'm an ex-pat Yank - clearly, Australia is heaps safer to live and work without pimply-faced kids in NRA-supported Walmarts selling firearms between restocking the Gameboy shelf. Seems a bit surreal, all that.
Posted by Robynsveil
18th Jan
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Can't forget the amendments! They're our guaranteed rights under the
constitution.

To undo any of them, is to become a less free country, and a country which might as well become a third-rate/third-world dictatorship, because ,without our rights, there will be internal and external forces ready to strike to take this country down.

The 2nd amendment is not about the right to defend ourselves against a criminal, and it's not about a right to go hunting for food. It's about our right to have a means of defense against a corrupt and oppressive government, which could easily happen in the U.S. if we start down the road of tampering with our basic civil rights.
Posted by adornoe
20th Dec
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The Grand Compromise a Lincolnesque solution to Mass Murder
The owner controlled firearm must be easy to use, require no training, operate under water, snow, high temperatures, salt water and long periods of non-use.

Most important it is worthwhile to require that all firearms be so outfitted going forward in order that a grand compromise can struck between pro and anti-gun groups.
Posted by attoman
20th Dec
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There are people all over the world who take the gun issue seriously, but
you are not one of them.

Instead, you come up with a stupid comment which only the most ignorant could agree with.


This is a serious issue, and the name of Lincoln should not be used to utter such nonsense as you just did.
Posted by adornoe
20th Dec
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The Fundamental Problem...
...is simply that there will always be people who would do harm to others.

To me, it doesn't matter at all if that harm is caused by a bomb, a firearm, a knife, a blunt instrument like a bat, a molotov cocktail, driving a car into a crowd, or whatever. We can't ban everything that can be used as a weapon. And if we did, those who wish to do harm would just ignore the laws anyway, as they do now. So if criminals will always harm people, and we leave people defenseless, what is the outcome going to be? Carnage, pure and simple.

Banning guns from schools is clearly ineffective, as is banning guns completely. (Think New York, Detroit, England, etc.) But if we give people a way to defend themselves, then the attacker can be stopped.

In the most recent case, two adults tried to stop the shooter, but they couldn't because they had nothing but their bare hands. We let select airline pilots carry firearms, why not select adults at schools?

Yes, it's counter-intuitive. I suppose it would be more politically correct to hire a bunch or armed guards and post them around the schools. But can schools afford that, do we want our schools looking like prisons, and what would be the difference anyway?

Since violence can't be stopped, giving people the ability to protect themselves is the only rational solution, crazy as it may seem to some. If technology was a solution, there wouldn't be war in the Middle East (or anywhere else).
Posted by toniok2
24th Dec
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re The criminal intelligence, will always win.
making them 'smart' is less about keeping them away from the criminals,though it will HELP with that, and more about making it possible for law abiding citizens to keep weapons ready and at hand without putting others at risk. despite what some of the teachers are saying about keeping a gun at school right now, i would not want a gun in the same room as any kid under 10 unless it was in a heavy safe and a gun wont do much good there. ever try to keep a kid that young away from something they want. they WILL get it sooner or later. putting biometrics into guns would mean that guns in nightstands and purses would be safer from little hands and more easily kept available by responsible owners. i have a niece that will not allow a gun in her house because she has a 1 and 6 year old, she calls me or her husband every time someone knocks on her door. do you really think we could get there in time if it was a criminal. this would be perfect for her.
Posted by btguy2010
Updated - 29th Dec
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