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Can Twitter save New York Times from a bad idea?

By | February 11, 2013, 10:39 AM PST

New York Times wants to appeal to the millennial generation (just like everyone else for that matter). The company is growing its revenue from online subscribers but is struggling to grow its advertising revenue and new Times CEO Mark Thompson is looking to innovate. So the company came up with this idea: New York Times Junior. A digital version of the newspaper that’s targeted for “college students and twenty-somethings.”

As Forbes reports:

A Times source says NYT Junior would be targeted not at very young readers but at college students and twenty-somethings. The idea would be to offer them a limited-content version at a price point calibrated to a just-starting-out-in-life budget.

While it doesn’t seem like it will be a completely new product the Times is rolling out (just a new way to attract online subscribers), the idea isn’t getting a good social media reception. First it got the Gawker treatment, “All trend pieces all the time?” Then tweets like:

The name is certainly problematic with a condescending feel that could alienate the young people its trying to attract. But choosing stories that appeal to millennials might also be a flawed idea. As Paid Content points out: “I assume college students and recent grads care most about the sections of the paper that older people also care most about.” Plus, “much of the coverage that some NYT exec might think is most aimed at a younger audience could be, in fact, the same stuff that is most easily found for free all over the internet.”

The initial feedback is negative, but this is actually a really good thing for the Times. Twitter, and, really, the Internet, has become a valuable way for businesses to test ideas with the general (social media-using) public. Companies can get quick reactions to new ideas, bad and good, without putting many more resources into a bad idea or at least rethinking the idea if it gets a bad reception.

Business innovation doesn’t happen without first having a lot of bad ideas. Fortunately, for New York Times and others, there’s social media to scrutinize those ideas before they hit the market, not after. If they’re actually using the free feedback to their advantage is another question.

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The problem with the NT Times reflects a problem of our time.
Too many people treat young adults as children. Low expectations are set for them along with limited or low levels of expected responsibility for their actions.

"The name is certainly problematic with a condescending feel that could alienate the young people its trying to attract."

The name is condescending. I see Jr after a name and I think of Nickelodeon Jr that is aimed at 5 year olds and under. As is the notion you need to dumb down the content for 20 some things to understand or be interested in. 20 somethings, especially those in college, should be thirsting for knowledge about the adult world they are a part of.

"a price point calibrated to a just-starting-out-in-life budget." Says to a young adult we do not expect you to succeed so we are lowering the cost for you.

Personally I am sick of 20 somethings being treated like kids. You are adults. Act like it.

No wonder Millennials are the most stressed generation. A vast majority of them have no coping skills because they have been coddled since birth.

http://topnews.us/content/253164-young-adults-face-highest-stress-levels-america-reveals-study
Posted by Hates Idiots
Updated - 13th Feb
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At least 20-somethings can SPELL "college" - (collage? Really?!)
That said, I do agree the "Junior" part is a HORRIBLE idea! Not the intended content; but the name itself. What's next, "NY Times Toddler edition?"
Posted by bitdoctor
12th Feb
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Generational Slip
Yes - and will aimed at Teens!
Posted by rayottoza
12th Feb
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Why pay?
These days, any real news is out all over the country, if not the world, within minutes. The only thing the times has exclusively is their editorial opinions, which may or may not be worth reading. (Well, with a few exceptions)

They might better sell a few well-placed ads, than think people will subscribe. To me, it's another case of where people have a higher opinion of themselves and their importance than everyone else does.
Posted by Hans Schmidt
12th Feb
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Just my opinion.
With the proliferation of online news sources the quality and integrity of the news reporting in general has gone downhill rapidly just to compete.

Fact checking from multiple sources before reporting something is gone.

Rumors are quickly spread as fact and then are impossible to retract once proven wrong.

Simple proof reading to prevent them from looking like and sounding like morons has gone out the window as old fashioned. An archaic waste of time in the rush to get the story out first.

There is no more line between opinion and reporting facts. Every news report is tainted with the reporters opinion. Even if it is just an annoying attitude being expressed.

Take this mornings news out of Boston. A reporter in a townie neighborhood of brown stone town houses could not just report on the poor state of snow removal after this weekends blizzard.

Nope he had to go that inch too far by commenting that all of the "rich people" who owned the brownstone town houses were "too cheap to pay someone to clear their sidewalks and to stuck up to do it themselves."

It was a new low for Boston news reporting.

What was very sad about the moment was that the snowed in town houses with the snow buried sidewalks he was standing in front of were actually owned by a major liberal university in Boston. A huge faculty housing sign was behind him in the live shot.

Even his ill advised attempt at class warfare was factually wrong. Further proof of sloppy reporting standards.
Posted by Hates Idiots
Updated - 12th Feb
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Pot calling the kettle black?
Brownstone is ONE word. Townhouse is ONE word! Geez, don't you have an editor?
Posted by bitdoctor
12th Feb
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A few points.
1. Contrary to what some people post, I am not paid to do this. And I do not have copy editors. Which the NYT could use most days.

2. Spell check / grammar check in some apps really bite. This site works great in Firefox, but is flaky in IE. When in IE spell check does not work.

3. You make no productive comments pertaining to the discussion. I guess you just like harrassing people because you are perfect and need to feed your narcissistic ego.

My only appeal to you are the failings of technology and of typing too fast. If that is not enough. Who cares?
Posted by Hates Idiots
Updated - 13th Feb
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The fact is...
They've boosted their paid digital subscribers by 13 percent, to 640,000. And that's despite all the loopholes for getting around the paywall (yes, they did close some of them: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/business/2013/02/yes-you-can-still-sneak-around-new-york-times-paywall/62028/). What we don't know is how many of those subscribers are subscribing at the discount rate and how many will stay on when they are bumped up to the regular pay tier.
Posted by Tyler Falk
12th Feb
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That will be interesting for you to follow up on later.
"how many will stay on when they are bumped up to the regular pay tier. "
Posted by Hates Idiots
12th Feb
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Sure would be
I'll post something or update if I find out more.
Posted by Tyler Falk
12th Feb
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More likely, the Times is just padding their subscriber numbers, just like
a lot of newspapers were accused of doing some time ago, in order to attract advertising.

After all, farcical reporting goes hand-in-hand with farcical numbers.
Posted by adornoe
12th Feb
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What are the rates?
Well, without having us "dig" too far, what are the discounted rates vs. the regular tier rates?
Posted by bitdoctor
12th Feb
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Egg-Zackly!
You have it precisely correct! News is virtually ubiquitous now - there is no so-called "exclusivity." The Internet itself has become "the great equalizer," when it comes to archaic "print-based" news sources. I grew up on "print," and I am sad to see it go, but you *must* CHANGE WITH THE TIMES - not the New York Times - the 'real' "times" - get your head in the current game - find out ways to get "mega-bloggers" who can get massive followings and draw ad revenue to your pages! But, *PAID* ON-LINE NEWS SUBSCRIPTIONS? I would sooner throw myself from a fast-moving locomotive than pay for an on-line news subscription. What do they NOT understand about this metric? Does it TRULY take a "genius" to figure out what you and I (and most of the world) already know? Paid on-line news subscriptions are a losing proposition! Get it? (I hope they [eventually] get it).
Posted by bitdoctor
12th Feb
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So, if I understand this correctly...
...the New York Times, the nation's supposed "paper of record" that prides itself for its above-average quality of writing and who's readers pride themselves for reading its supposed above-average quality of writing wishes to come out with what certainly appears to be a dumbed-down edition aimed at people who they think might want to be able to read a high quality newspaper, but either are currently not able or willing to do so.

I don't know how they can execute this without cheapening their brand. It would be like Cadillac coming out with a lame econo-box. (Oh wait, they did that too)

But I really have to agree with what was said above; The idea that today's college students are unable or unwilling to read a "grown up" paper is sad, and coming out with a special dumbed-down edition for them is patronizing. It's just another symptom of several social and political problems we have, like extending adolescence out to nearly middle-age, and the education bubble that has effectively dumbed down what it means to be in college.
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
12th Feb
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The Times brand was cheapened decades ago, and calling them the
"paper of record" is a mantra which should have disappeared a long time ago, when the rag decided to become an advocate for the liberal side of all issues, and didn't care if they alienated at least half of their original audience, which found alternate sources for their news and information.
Posted by adornoe
12th Feb
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Please cite your references! Traditional "print" news & magazines are dead!
You said, "... the education bubble that has effectively dumbed down what it means to be in college". What "education bubble?" Please clarify; and, please, cite all references using standard MLA format. wink

That said, I agree that they/we do not need an "alternative version" of NY times. I can see what they are trying to do: they want to capture the attention of these so-called "millennials;" these "short-attention-span" post-teens who have cut their teeth on "e-news" and could care less about newsPAPER. They also want to milk every cent from every possible reader and subscriber - because, let's face it, newspapers are dead; magazines are dead! On-line is the ONLY thing that matters now. And yet, SO many of these newspapers have been SO SLOW to change to on-line formats, and now they realize that most millennials, X-gens, Y-gens (whatever you want to label the most recent generation of degenerates) will find even OTHER ways to get their news, once NY Times and others try to charge for on-line content. It simply is a no-win situation! Traditional print news products will die in the next 10 years (mark my words - they've been disappearing more and more). And, those "former" newspaper and magazine companies who plan on charging users to read their on-line content - good luck with THAT tack! The reason "paid on-line subscriptions" won't work: there are PLENTY of ALWAYS-FREE news sources, worldwide, via the Internet - and, my dear readers, THAT genie cannot be put back in the bottle!
Posted by bitdoctor
12th Feb
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Actually, there really is an "education bubble"; you just need to be better
informed, and you need to start paying more attention to the news and the general information items.

Look and ye shall find.

There is such a thing as search engines.. Use them, and they might help you in finding the data and info you need.
Posted by adornoe
12th Feb
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Junior?
We already have a NYT Junior. It's called "every other paper in America."
Posted by rrufa
Updated - 12th Feb
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Except that, a lot of those other papers, are doing a lot better job at
reporting than the rag that the NY Times has become.
Posted by adornoe
12th Feb
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I thought the JR alternative was...
...Current TV...
Posted by JohnMcGrew@...
12th Feb
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NYT Junior
I imagine it comes with a promotional sippy cup, a match the shapes puzzle instead of a crossword puzzle and, all the pictures are bigger and in color with less of those annoying words you have to actually read.
Posted by victortweed
12th Feb
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Desperate "Times" call for desperate measures,
and the NY Times is in a very desperate situation, with readership down, and advertising down, and now, they want to issued a dumbed-down version for "junior"? That's not only desperate, but purely dumb.
Posted by adornoe
12th Feb
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Junior branding
When I think of "___ Junior" the first thing that comes to mind is IBM's PC Jr. And we all know what a resounding success that was.
Posted by Tom_M
12th Feb
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Could be fixed
The NYT Junior idea has condescension written all over it. Of course, I can't tell if NYT or some outside reporter/blooger came up with the "Junior" name.

The NYT does have a great product called New York Times Digest which is 10 pages of shorter articles about top stories. If NYT would make something like that but more fleshed out, and much cheaper than the full version, I could imagine success. I believe there are many people, often in their 20's and 30's, who are put off by the price of the NYT. A smaller content, lower priced product with the same good reporting, could attract a lot of subscribers.
Posted by Daddy B
12th Feb
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Why does it have to be: Everything, or WhatWeDecideToInclude?
They should have an "X% of our paper for today" plan. Then let people pick which articles they want. And keep track of it, both for internal use (what people in general are willing to pay for) and to sell targeted ads (what particular subscribers are interested in).
Posted by dmm99
12th Feb
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Mark Thompson
He didn't do a very good job at the BBC, so I'm not surprised at the quality of this idea.

TV execs in the UK tend to talk down to their audience and I see he's taken that attitude across the Atlantic.
Posted by kb@...
12th Feb
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Hold up, they've already done the research
They know exactly who is reading what right now, and they see that certain kinds of articles appeal to certain kinds of people. This isn't just some publisher's lame attempt at being hip, Big Data has told them what the kids click on when they're on the Times site, and they are responding with a package of that at a lower price. No different than all other content providers (Facebook, Google) are doing right now. But the sad thing in all these cases is that readers (or surfers) are not challenged to think more deeply (Times Jr.) or confronted by viewpoints they might not subscribe to (Google searches.)
Posted by dcoli
20th Feb
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